00:25:43 <DW_Hut> good day
00:38:30 <bigslim[m]> Kids say the darndest things
00:40:00 <bigslim[m]> Is fluffy still actively working with Monero ?
00:40:51 <moneromooo> Oh, I recognize the name. Wasn't he some dude who was around in... 2014-2015 ?
00:44:28 <newyearday> hehehe
02:07:27 <znre> Good morning.
04:24:38 <marmulak> Morn
06:11:27 <znre> It is such a beautiful day.
06:11:58 <znre> To use monero. I am trying to convince a few charities to accept crypto like monero.
08:32:38 <Feuermagier[PC]> does the monero daemon accept commands while running? - is there a list?
10:38:49 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Just type "help" on the daemon command line
11:14:44 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: if you type "help" on both the daemon and the wallet-cli, there will be slightly different commands on each and a few will be the same 🙂
15:37:16 <fibonacci> Whatup
16:57:14 <mfoolb> if you use commands without name that will work too
17:23:42 <fibonacci> Where's Mr. Pony?
17:28:32 <asymptotically> turned into burgers and glue :{
22:27:13 <ganro> Good evening everyone.
22:30:01 <ganro> I have a few questions that I have been kind of confused on. So I can create an address for a transaction. Is that address good for multiple transactions until it is removed from my wallet? If I wanted a donation address from multiple projects that I run but wanted to use a seperate address for each that goes to the same wallet could I do that? Or would I require multiple wallets?
22:31:09 <asymptotically> addresses don't appear on the blockchain anywhere, so it's safe for someone to send coins to your address multiple times and they wont get linked together
22:31:31 <asymptotically> but yes it's a problem if you asked for donations on project A and project B with the same address. the wallet allows you to create subaddresses that can't be linked together, but get paid into the same wallet
22:32:45 <ganro> and those addresses last untl I remove them? I originally assumed that they were only good for just one transaction. Neat. Is their a single reason then to actually give your main address for a transaction?
22:33:36 <asymptotically> i don't think that you can remove them
22:34:07 <asymptotically> it's best for privacy if you just don't use the main address and create a new subaddress for each purpose (like one for donations on your website, one for poloniex withdrawals etc.)
22:35:40 <ganro> Neat. Okay thanks a lot asymptotically. Is there any problems the developers are looking into? Interesting problems or features they are interested in implementing?
22:35:45 <moneromooo> The main address is more compatible. Subaddresses are a fairly recent addition.
22:36:16 <moneromooo> It might be it's not a concern nowadays though, not sure.
22:36:20 <asymptotically> can subaddresses be linked to the main address?
22:36:29 <asymptotically> i thought that was a problem with them
22:36:36 <moneromooo> Not without a secret key.
22:36:45 <moneromooo> Or social engineering :)
22:37:27 <moneromooo> ganro: do you mean you're interesting in contributing ? If so, what are your interests, roughly ?
22:37:35 <asymptotically> oh hmmm not sure why i thought that was possible. i blame ferretinjapan :P
22:37:46 <ganro> Aaaaaaaaaah okay. Neat. Monero is cool as hell.
22:38:30 <moneromooo> That's excellent wording. You're never sure whether it's a compliment or not :D
22:39:01 <ganro> moneromooo: I have no talent at all I am just really interested in the protocol. I would actually like to contribute money if anything. I lack the coding talent.
22:39:29 <moneromooo> We all did at some point :)
22:39:49 <asymptotically> some of us still do :D
22:40:11 <yanmaani> ganro: If you want to donate money, there is "CCS" system for funding projects
22:40:22 <yanmaani> (disclaimer; I am not affiliated with the Monero project)
22:42:12 <ganro> Thanks yanmaani. Monero is just cool. Seems like the perfect crypto but I rarely see people talk about it. I guess because most people I know are more focussed on mooning shitcoins instead of holding.
22:42:28 <yanmaani> indeed
22:42:35 <yanmaani> 'number go up'
22:42:58 <moneromooo> That's one reason. Another is that a lot of people are scared about random govts making monero illegal because it allows people to protect their privacy.
22:43:15 <moneromooo> Well, that's a common reason given anyway.
22:43:24 <ganro> I hear that arguement a lot moneromooo but if anything that just makes monero better.
22:44:11 <ganro> It just seems like everything bitcoin wanted to be. Not some get rich quick scheme.
22:54:07 <newyearday> how monero can be illegal
22:54:12 <newyearday> practically
22:54:29 <newyearday> law that cant be enforced dont exist
23:05:35 <ganro> Laws certainly do not have to be practical let alone logical.
23:17:00 <yanmaani> newyearday: It can be enforced. Ban buying, selling, and owning monero
23:19:10 <NerdyAnarchist> yanmaani: and how would you propose actually *enforcing* such a thing?
23:20:48 <newyearday> exactly
23:20:50 <newyearday> how
23:21:01 <yanmaani> NerdyAnarchist: Regulate the fiat on- and offramps.
23:21:09 <NerdyAnarchist> ...how.
23:21:16 <newyearday> do u know bisq
23:21:21 <yanmaani> "banks may not bank monero exchanges"
23:21:35 <yanmaani> newyearday: Yes, it would be trivial to do sting operations
23:21:41 <NerdyAnarchist> yanmaani: banks don't do that anyway
23:21:41 <newyearday> or changing person to person monero with fiat
23:21:44 <yanmaani> since you get the full name and address of your counterparty
23:21:55 <NerdyAnarchist> this is ridiculous.
23:22:01 <yanmaani> newyearday: with cash? It's the same thing. Drug dealers have 50%+ margins
23:22:07 <yanmaani> monero dealers will not
23:22:13 <yanmaani> it would be beyond trivial
23:22:52 <newyearday> i have 10monero and i want 500$ for this
23:23:03 <newyearday> u agree and we meet in a cofee shop
23:23:36 <newyearday> are u security member
23:23:49 <newyearday> police
23:23:52 <newyearday> whatever
23:23:54 <newyearday> fbi
23:24:10 <newyearday> ok i start with small amounts
23:24:20 <newyearday> 2moner
23:24:23 <newyearday> 2moner0
23:24:26 <newyearday> 100$
23:24:35 <newyearday> will u put me in jail for 100$
23:24:35 <yanmaani> Right, and already there you're arrested, and they seize your wallet and oh hey looks like he had a bit more than that
23:24:51 <yanmaani> How exactly do you expect to earn money from that anyway?
23:24:59 <newyearday> i will go with wallet with only 100$
23:25:02 <newyearday> please!!
23:25:08 <newyearday> ok take my 100$
23:25:14 <yanmaani> And then where will the rest be? On your computer?
23:25:22 <newyearday> elsewhere
23:25:52 <newyearday> what u'll torture me for giving other monero?
23:27:01 <newyearday> and dont forget bisq
23:27:18 <newyearday> best tool after monero
23:28:46 <newyearday> yanmaani?
23:29:01 <newyearday> im waiting to torture me
23:31:03 <yanmaani> Absurd - doing the transactions in cash wouldn't scale
23:31:12 <yanmaani> there isn't enough to support such an ecosystem
23:31:41 <yanmaani> It would be trivial to just monitor people who did this if that was the real concern
23:31:47 <yanmaani> Anyhow, the profitability is not clear
23:32:35 <newyearday> bisq ?
23:33:14 <yanmaani> Well, bisq doesn't work with cash.
23:33:37 <yanmaani> So you'll have to use your bank account
23:34:04 <yanmaani> People are already getting their bank accounts shut off because they're selling bitcoins
23:34:15 <moneromooo> Murder is pretty much universally banned. Doesn't mean there are no murders. It's still illegal.
23:34:32 <moneromooo> You just get caught after the fact (usually).
23:37:17 <yanmaani> Right, but the market would just be illiquid as hell
23:37:17 <newyearday> the universe expand so humanity will continue
23:37:33 <yanmaani> The realistic scenario is that you'll get something like XBT <-> USD exchanges in a regulated jurisdiction
23:37:44 <yanmaani> and XBT <-> XMR exchanges in some obscure jurisdiction
23:37:48 <yanmaani> and then lots of money laundering
23:38:06 <newyearday> which market we are talking about person to person or small amounts
23:39:00 <newyearday> do exist monero futures as bitcoin futures?
23:40:44 <yanmaani> newyearday: Yeah, but the network effects would be a disaster
23:40:48 <yanmaani> no, used to though
23:41:01 <yanmaani> or maybe there are XMRXBT futures or XMR/USDT
23:43:45 <newyearday> moneromooo must answer for network effects or better if monero can handle very big transaction volumes
23:50:20 <yanmaani> no, the opposite
23:50:26 <yanmaani> like, if you need to contact a shady monero dealer
23:50:30 <yanmaani> then how does that even work?
23:50:36 <yanmaani> what if you live out in the middle of nowhere?
23:51:36 <ganro> It is always a cat and mouse game. Who is the cat and who is the mouse? Same way you would have to do for any dealer if you are meaning to exchange fiat for another product. Get moving.
23:52:10 <newyearday> there are sites with person to person monero exchanging
23:52:38 <newyearday> and they work years now
23:53:02 <ganro> Mail in fiat for crypto is very common.
23:54:00 <newyearday> yanmaani dont misunderstood me but are u a cop?