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azizLIGHT
moneromooo: well the trigger isnt working right? i tried min maxing 1-99 to get it to activate, but it doesnt want to. whats the reason? i dont know
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newyearday
hello
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newyearday
for new blockchain i changed hardforks heights,cryptono config,wallet config but still i have "has old version 0" current is....
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newyearday
i idid it to start with v12
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newyearday
anyone here
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newyearday
when i send 100 and i want to send 1 why is sent 100 and come back 99
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newyearday
how to avoid this
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newyearday
when i have 100 and i want to send 1 why is sent 100 and come back 99
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newyearday
is possible to remove from code this
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newyearday
confirmation need lot of time for some payment so in case of multiple sending this is very bad
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moneromooo
Because you only have a 100 output, most likely. If you had only 1 outputs, it'd send that.
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newyearday
the only solution is to send to myself?
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newyearday
for creating more outputs?
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moneromooo
Probably not, but that's the most straightforward one. Also see the min-output* settings in the wallet.
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newyearday
what else can be the solution?
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gingeropolous
dont use an output based blockchain?
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moneromooo
Have the wallet automatically do it.
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newyearday
blockchain without outputs?
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newyearday
what does this mean
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gingeropolous
right. my point is that you'll have to deal with outputs unless you want to switch to a different accounting mechanism
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moneromooo
A balanced based one, typically.
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moneromooo
See, if your money is coins and banknotes, you can't give someone 8p without giving them 10p, or another amount, because your coins are quantized. You then get 2p change.
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moneromooo
But if you pay with a bank card, you can pay 8p because there are no actual outputs, just a balance.
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newyearday
very important your explanation but i dont know blockchain with balance and monero quality...
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moneromooo
I *think* Cryptonite was balance based...
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moneromooo
Yes. Account tree. Must have been.
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moneromooo
I think Ethereum also is.
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moneromooo
It's also possible to have a chain based on *both* outputs and balances :D
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newyearday
u dont have fees when u send to yourself right?
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moneromooo
Not if you mine that tx.
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Inge-
newyearday: You can make a transaction with up to 16 outputs (each output going to someone else or back to yourself) - so it is fairly easy to create more outputs. HOWEVER this transaction is larger, and fees will be higher (but fees are really really low, so should not be a problem)
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newyearday
how u give 16outputs to cli
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moneromooo
It's a fork, so fees can be whatever they like.
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moneromooo
transfer Address0 Amount0 Address1 Amount1...
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newyearday
my address is one so why address0,address1 etc
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Inge-
oh is this the forked coin?
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newyearday
i mean to transfer in new address
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newyearday
got it
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newyearday
how many address u can put on one line in cli before cli to crash
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newyearday
10,100,200
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newyearday
or depends from computer
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Inge-
< Inge-> newyearday: You can make a transaction with up to 16 outputs
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newyearday
which is the limit
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newyearday
or i need to test
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Inge-
newyearday: curious, what is your first language?
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newyearday
is not english of course....
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Inge-
That was apparent :)
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newyearday
the need for too many outputs is very serius specially when u want to make payments fast
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gingeropolous
agreed. However, monero's ring sigs don't lend well to fast serial payments.
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Inge-
newyearday: if you can plan for it, it works out well. But it can certainly hit those unawares.
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newyearday
exactly this is deep and a simple user will have bad surprise very bad
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gingeropolous
im not sold on that
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gingeropolous
rarely am I in a buying frenzy when I need to spend my monero, or any money really, within minutes of my prior purchase
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Inge-
it is just unintuitive for those who haven't worked with a UTXO-based cryptocurrency before
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gingeropolous
to me this concern has similarities to the fast payments "concern" with blockchain-based currencies, and double spending etc. i.e., 0 conf is fine for buying a pack of gum
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gingeropolous
but buying a house takes longer
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newyearday
who of the average user knows to change unlock_Window on config file for having this 0 conf
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gingeropolous
well no thats different. sorry to derail
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newyearday
im thinking on how monero can be useful for small payments
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Mochi101
newyearday, you just need to prepare your wallet
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Mochi101
So that you have lots of smaller outputs.
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Mochi101
That way you always have outputs that are unlocked.
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Mochi101
The sweep_single is good for this... you take one output and send it back to yourself in 15 parts
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Mochi101
or 16 parts... I forget
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Mochi101
So say you send 20 XMR to a wallet... then it's in that wallet in 1 output... you sweep_single back to that same wallet and tell it that you want to do it in 16 parts
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Mochi101
So now you have 16 outputs of just over 1 XMR
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newyearday
how u tell to do it in 16parts?
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asymptotically
can you still change the unlock time in the config header? i thought mooo got upset at us doing that and now it's enforced at the network level
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Mochi101
sweep_single [<priority>] [<ring_size>] [outputs=<N>] <key_image> <address> [<payment_id (obsolete)>]
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Mochi101
outputs=<n>
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Mochi101
key_image is always a pain in the ass to get
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Mochi101
but you need it...
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Mochi101
:D
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Mochi101
incoming_transfers verbose
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Mochi101
to get the key_image
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Mochi101
make sure you have a really wide window
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asymptotically
Mochi101: you can try explaining that to my grandma :D
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newyearday
exactly!!!
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Mochi101
there should be a built in tool
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Mochi101
but...
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Mochi101
meh
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asymptotically
is batching transactions bad for privacy? maybe the wallet could hold onto your payments for 5 minutes, and batch them all together
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newyearday
asymptotically there is stil CRYPTONOTE_DEFAULT_TX_SPENDABLE_AGE
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newyearday
if u change unlock_window
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Mochi101
Is 10 blocks network enforced now though?
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ndorf
yes, 10 blocks is consensus since
monero-project/monero a444f06
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asymptotically
sorry about that :p
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Mochi101
nice one moneromooo
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Mochi101
greatest troll ever
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ndorf
that change was made after it was discovered that some third-party wallets used <10block outputs as decoys, leading to easy fingerprinting of users of those wallets
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ndorf
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yanmaani
world's largest bitcoin exchange to introduce AML via chainalysis
boards.greenhouse.io/bitmex/jobs/4651546002
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gingeropolous
oooooh shit
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azy
dirty bitcoins
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Mochi101
wow
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Mochi101
Is that cocaine on your bitcoin gingeropolous ?
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yanmaani
will be very fun to see how the regulator handles Monero. Usually they have just handled it by politely asking people not to deal with Monero, but that obviously isn't sustainable
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yanmaani
are we going to see bizarre second level solutions?
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yanmaani
or madness about "regulating the XMR <-> XBT ramps"?
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gingeropolous
der no c'cain on my bitcorns
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Mochi101
oh! You have more than one then?
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nonie
LOL - AML Operations Manager.
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Masterbob79
Ok
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Masterbob79
Exit