01:26:58 <tikha> Hello everyone. It looks like a post reporting a bug and/or (less likely I hope) malicious activity regarding the MyMonero web wallet was deleted without explanation.
01:26:58 <tikha> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/f5qfte/transaction_rejected_in_mymonero_but_balance/
01:27:10 <tikha> Does this post break the rules? I would think it would be helpful to know.
01:27:41 <endogenic> it's not malicious?
01:27:47 <endogenic> dude just needs to import his wallet
01:27:58 <endogenic> server doesnt just know what wallets to scan w/o being told
01:28:00 <tikha> So why delete the post instead of just saying that?
01:28:07 <endogenic> i'm not a mod i dunno
01:28:15 <endogenic> maybe guy deleted it himself?
01:28:21 <endogenic> cause he was redirected
01:28:23 <tikha> It says "removed by moderators"
01:28:27 <endogenic> oh
01:28:34 <tikha> Just looks really sketch as an outsider.
01:28:42 <endogenic> why?
01:28:56 <tikha> Cuz if it isn't malicious or breaking the rules -why hide it?
01:29:07 <endogenic> because it's breaking rules?
01:29:40 <tikha> I see posts regarding other services not working correctly all the time, and they arent deleted. How is this different?
01:29:54 <endogenic> hm like i said i dunno
01:29:59 <endogenic> i just scan wallets
01:30:00 <tikha> Thats why I am asking
01:31:24 <endogenic> you know mymonero cant steal funds right? i'm leaving a comment now
01:31:43 <tikha> I know that is how it is supposed to work
01:31:55 <tikha> But when a service goes rogue... anything can happen
01:32:03 <tikha> And that is when reddit posts like this are helpful
01:32:41 <tikha> Hasn't MyMonero had that specific problem in the past, where the client was maliciously changed?
01:32:47 <endogenic> read my comment
01:32:52 <endogenic> we addressed that
01:33:08 <endogenic> fluffypony invented securebrowse, you check the build sigs blah blah
01:33:13 <endogenic> and no
01:33:21 <endogenic> our client has never been compromised
01:33:26 <endogenic> you're thinking of... Monero
01:33:37 <endogenic> people have gotten phished tho
01:33:47 <endogenic> ttyl gotta get back to da grind
01:33:53 <endogenic> thx for the tip
01:33:58 <tikha> Ok - but my main point is about the reddit post being removed. It really just looks bad. I don't actually think MyMonero did something malicious.
01:34:11 <endogenic> ok hope a mod hits you up
01:59:49 <yanmaani> what's the deal with monero.org?
02:01:33 <yanmaani> also there is a minor typo here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monero_(cryptocurrency)
02:01:42 <yanmaani> "Monero is actively encouraged to those seeking financial privacy"
02:01:50 <nioc> a squatter owns that
02:02:01 <yanmaani> 'advocated for by' would be a better phrasing
02:02:17 <yanmaani> nioc: so what's the deal? did you guys split up like Tox?
02:02:32 <nioc> there was no split
02:02:53 <nioc> someone took that domain and wanted to sell it for 100k
02:03:55 <nioc> they have had it since near the bginning of monero
02:03:57 <yanmaani> what about contacting .org registrar?
02:04:29 <nioc> somebody owns it
02:04:36 <yanmaani> [x] 'The registrant does not have any rights or legitimate interests in the domain name;'
02:04:36 <nioc> how do you take it away?
02:04:43 <yanmaani> [x] 'The domain name has been registered and the domain name is being used in "bad faith"'
02:04:49 <yanmaani> [x] 'The domain name is identical or confusingly similar to a trademark or service mark in which the complainant has rights'
02:04:56 <yanmaani> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Domain-Name_Dispute-Resolution_Policy
02:05:25 <nioc> I know nothing about the process
02:05:37 <nioc> I suppose others do
02:06:05 <yanmaani> nioc: You contact the registrar, politely tell them 'this person is squatting and I want them gone and they are violating the rules,' they look at the case and hopefully kick them out
02:08:06 <yanmaani> The only problem is the trademark. IANAL, but there is such a thing as an unregistered trademark, and it does seem like Monero meets the criteria.
02:08:11 <moneromooo> Nobody has rights to the monero name. It's not a trademark, it means "coin" in Esperanto.
02:08:45 <moneromooo> Some company actually tried to piss off the monero community by claiming trademark and got their arses handed to them (admittedly due to their boss being an idiot).
02:09:31 <yanmaani> moneromooo: I'm not sure that's the case. For example, there is the Monero logo.
02:10:07 <moneromooo> That's be copyright, if it wasn't licenced liberally.
02:10:19 <yanmaani> It can still be a trademark.
02:11:29 <yanmaani> If I sell widgets stamped 'yanmaani widget solutions ltd', and someone else comes along and starts selling identical widgets with the same stamps, I have a pretty solid legal case
02:12:15 <moneromooo> I think you did not understand my argument above. If you don't have huge pockets, you can't trademark single common words.
02:13:00 <yanmaani> you need exactly zero (0) dollars to trademark a single common word
02:13:20 <moneromooo> OK, in a way that withstands a challenge.
02:14:19 <yanmaani> obviously, it depends on a wide variety of factors. If I attempt to trademark the word 'the' and sue everyone who uses it, I am not going to accomplish much
02:15:39 <yanmaani> if I launch a cryptocurrency named 'pecunia', use this term to refer to the cryptocurrency developed by the team which develops the cryptocurrency known as 'pecunia', etc, my footing is a bit more sure
02:17:12 <yanmaani> 'monero' is not a common word in English, and trademarks are more complicated than owning a string of characters
02:17:58 <yanmaani> for example, if I launch a brand of shoes named 'fish', I believe it would be a perfectly valid trademark
02:18:25 <moneromooo> Only because it's in a differnet line of business.
02:18:26 <yanmaani> even though 'fish' is a moderately common word in English, it is not generally used to refer to footwear
02:19:38 <yanmaani> But 'monero' is not a common word in English. "I have 27 monero" is not a legitimate sentence without understanding 'monero' as cryptocurrency
02:22:41 <yanmaani> Here is the money quote, courtesy of the United States Court of Appeals:
02:23:02 <yanmaani> "foreign words from dead or obscure languages may be so unfamiliar to the American buying public that they should not be translated into English for descriptiveness purposes"
02:26:35 <yanmaani> https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/988/647/1455762/ here is some reading if you enjoy US trademark law
02:27:10 <moneromooo> I really don't... :)
02:27:34 <yanmaani> again, IANAL, but it seems like it could be worthwhile to start a project on CCS to raise the $1-2k you need and/or get someone to talk to a lawyer
02:28:22 <yanmaani> ok I'll give you the TL;DR: a company sold cigars named 'cigar' in an obscure indian language, someone else did too, they sued them and won, because indian languages are obscure
02:28:44 <yanmaani> sufficiently obscure for it to be irrelevant that they do mean 'cigar'
09:21:46 <mapuche> hi
09:22:08 <mapuche> i did make depends but install script need boost install
09:22:40 <mapuche> i checked on contrib/depends but boost is installed there so why script need system boost
09:22:50 <mapuche> and not use boost on contrib/depends
13:34:55 <mapuche> hi
13:44:40 <anon399> hi
13:45:33 <anon399> i am a trusted member if you give me one monero i will give you two back. pm me if interested kek
13:51:44 <moneromooo> I have no access to my wallet atm, can you send me the two back now, and I'll send you the monero later ?
13:57:50 <anon399> sent
13:59:12 <mapuche> why to exchange monero ?
14:01:34 <moneromooo> To exhchange for... fiat ? To get money for rent/food. For bitcoin ? To gamble.
14:01:46 <sech1> anon399 Sounds interesting, but I have better offer: if you send me 2 monero now, I'll say "thank you"
14:07:51 <mapuche> i have boost_ignore_system_paths = on but depends script still stop because cant find system boost
14:07:59 <mapuche> boost is installed on depends
14:10:10 <moneromooo> Are you using the unmodified depends system from the monero tree ?
14:10:47 <mapuche> yes
14:11:25 <moneromooo> Then setting boost_ignore_system_paths = on elsewhere should not matter.
14:12:01 <moneromooo> I don't think it should find your system boost in the first place, it's meant to use specific deps.
14:13:01 <mapuche> no other change was made just git clone&&make -j depends
14:16:14 <moneromooo> Can you paste the full error somewhere that's not here nor pastebin ?
14:16:29 <moneromooo> Like paste.ubuntu.com, that one still works.
14:17:02 <moneromooo> Oh, that's not gitian. I was assuming gitian. Hmm,
14:18:07 <mapuche> shit was cmakecache.txt!!!
14:18:15 <mapuche> ah with this cache
14:18:27 <mapuche> allways u must check 100files
14:18:40 <mapuche> thank u
14:19:17 <mapuche> same error after 4min
14:19:22 <mapuche> i go crazy
14:24:46 <mapuche> is possible to find what is happening here http://paste.debian.net/1131098/
14:25:22 <mapuche> make -j20 depends
17:46:14 <onicrom> hello all, trying to compile monero v0.15.0.1 on a centos7 box and hitting an issue with randomx ( error: call to non-constexpr function ‘randomx_flags operator|(randomx_flags, randomx_flags)’) has anyone seen this before or been successful building on centos7?
17:53:41 <selsta> onicrom: What gcc version do you use?
18:00:02 <onicrom> selsta: gcc (GCC) 4.8.5 20150623 (Red Hat 4.8.5-39)
18:00:18 <onicrom> problematic
18:00:19 <onicrom> ?
18:02:57 <selsta> should be ok
18:05:01 <onicrom> just upgraded to gcc 7 and it worked!
18:05:49 <selsta> ok, readme says 4.8 is minimum
18:05:53 <selsta> but looks like not the case
18:06:29 <onicrom> indeed, thakns very much for pointing me in the right direction
18:09:54 <selsta> you’re welcome
20:31:39 <micah> hi, i just downloaded the latest monero and started it up and its telling me: connected daemon is not compatible with gui
20:32:03 <micah> i connected via 'simple mode'
20:34:53 <Mochi101> micah, still getting that error?
20:35:36 <Mochi101> I think someone said that the GUI is trying to use old version nodes...
20:36:44 <micah> Mochi101: i just restarted it, and i think it resolved itself
20:38:46 <kico> https://forex-data-feed.swissquote.com/public-quotes/bboquotes/instrument/XAU/USD
20:38:53 <kico> ops
20:40:17 <Mochi101> micah, right on