00:39:52 yanmaani: makes sense! 00:40:23 I decided to add a nice little "M" and Monero logo in the corner of my plates :D Decided it would look good. 00:41:27 As per requested by tryphe, I've added a 15-character "vanity space" that would allow someone to record a title or something like that into the plates itself but this is only available on the 1-12 and 13-24 plates. I couldn't fit it into the 3x25 space. 00:45:44 My thought process is by giving such large spaces I would encourage people to really hog out or gouge out as much material as they possibly can, so that in the event the plates really get damaged, there's more material to "lose" before the user starts actually losing data. 00:49:09 New images coming in a second. 00:54:54 https://jollyrogers.ca/public/SEEDSTASH-LOWER-PLATE-W-NAMESPACE.png This is what it looks like with a "vanity" space for naming, and I threw in a "$B" 00:55:49 https://jollyrogers.ca/public/SEEDSTASH-XMR-SYMMETRIC-PLATE.png And here's the version for Monero, with the M. This one has it on both sides although of course I can't really show both sides since they're the same. 01:20:30 Just three letters? 01:25:42 There was another much simpler design: you got a grid, and then you punched your letters in 01:25:44 https://blog.lopp.net/content/images/downloaded_images/Metal-Bitcoin-Seed-Storage-Stress-Test--Part-II-/1-ZCLvHUPPA72JaR_wo7JsFQ.png 01:25:52 no need for complicated punches or anything 01:27:35 Yeah. I was thinking about that, but I kinda like that this way I can record passwords and such as well; I use a Trezor Model T for my GPG private keys and my U2F and SSH keys, and recently there was a bit of a spat about how the Trezor's micro-controller is not as secure as it was thought to be. 01:28:05 Trezor and KeepKey are both equally affected and their response was to just set a password, but then comes the uncomfortable problem of "what happens if I lose my password?" 01:29:34 And you intend to solve this problem by keeping your password unencrypted in your physical custody? 01:29:40 Well... 01:30:11 Clearly, the maximum security solution is to write down your password, but encrypted. 01:30:31 Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? 01:30:44 For me it's no problem because I'm using my trezor every time I log into Github or ssh to my cloud server or to my other computers on the network. So I'm typing it in all the time, and it's a "low threat model" for me. But what about for people who are using their crypto wallets infrequently, keeping their wallets offline in cold storage? It'd be really easy to forget one's own password in that 01:30:46 situation. 01:31:21 I agree, I have managed to do so myself. But if you're willing to take the physical custody risk, it seems like the Trezor's problems are a non-issue. 01:31:29 Think of it like this: you have a set of primitives 01:31:30 Yeah... that's true. 01:32:01 "My house will never burn down or get robbed," "my bank safe deposit box is impenetrable," "I will never stop remembering this key" 01:32:04 etc 01:33:22 Personally, I think the best option would be to create a good hardware wallet 01:33:53 Hmm. I guess I'd best leave that to the individual user then. Well, I can make the password plate optional. I was thinking what I'd do would be to sell the plates individually, but include a bolt for free with the purchase of every two plates. 01:34:29 (and with each bolt, two washers and the springwasher, and one nut, and for each plate, one copper shim.) 01:35:48 best leave what? 01:36:41 Leave determining which plates to buy, like if the user doesn't want to write down their password, then they don't need the center leaf. 01:37:02 The plates I linked could be used for a password 01:37:25 alyuzkhmssvgkdcuzoufcpesqdxwerri is a perfectly good password 01:37:43 150 bits of entropy 01:39:25 Hmm. I think for now I'll just leave it to what the user prefers. It does cost money for me to produce these plates and there's not much sense in me selling something someone won't use. 01:40:07 Aren't the plates all identical? 01:40:14 No, they're not. 01:40:36 If you make all the plates so that they encode /[a-z ]{N}/, they are 01:42:05 I have several different variants: One is for Monero (3x25) and is single-sided, one is for Monero and is double-sided (2x3x25), one is for Bitcoin and is marked 1-12 (12x4), one is for bitcoin, mirrored, and marked 13-24 (12x4), and one intended for passwords is unmarked entirely but has room for 10x16. I decided to do this so that way it'd be easiest to include both letters and numbers. 01:42:32 The password plate is 10x16. 01:42:46 They're designed in such a way that they should be stacked and closed and bolted, then locked. 01:43:34 So this way, nothing is displayed on the outside. 01:44:04 25? Doesn't the English alphabet have 26 letters? 01:44:31 Nono, 25 spaces to engrave 3 letters each. 01:46:02 https://jollyrogers.ca/public/SEEDSTASH-III-FRONT.png This is what it looks like exploded. This is an older version of the design, showing the password plate. https://jollyrogers.ca/public/SEEDSTASH-III-ASSEMBLY.png 01:54:59 Yeah, but that is less robust 01:55:15 3 letters is what you need to distinguish the passphrase, but you lose out on useful redundancy 01:55:38 Hm, I haven't checked, but does the wallet allow restoring from just a hexadecimal seed? 01:55:59 The "mnemonic" seed is sorta ok, but in reality, nobody is going to memorize it 01:56:02 Say it goes through some shit and then you have to look at it and try to figure out if it says 'mal' or 'mai' 01:56:16 hyc: I never thought the purpose was to memorize it, but to make it redundant 01:56:26 if I have a hex seed and mistranscribe it, whoops 01:56:28 so the whole bother of turning the bit sequence into memorable words is kind of stupid 01:56:40 if I have 24 random words, I can write that down with ~0% error rate. 01:57:03 If there are errors, they will (usually) be trivial to correct, even if my handwriting is dogshit 01:57:25 still a lot of waste. we could emit in hex and add ECC. 01:57:26 but try to transcribe alyuzkhmssvgkdcuzoufcpesqdxwerri and tell me how it goes 01:57:34 so some trivial errors will be self-corrected 01:57:35 no, it is not nearly as robust 01:57:59 anyway, you can memorize telephone numbers pretty easily. the trick is just breaking down into groups of digits. 01:58:03 There's 10 bits to a word, right? So 1 word = 1 1/4 bytes = 2 1/2 hex chars 01:58:09 xxx-xxx-xxx-xxx wouldn't be so hard 01:58:19 it is much harder 01:58:22 try this for yourself 01:58:38 write down a random wallet seed vs. write down however many bits of entropy it is otherwise 01:59:05 a wallet seed is 24 words of 10 bits each, so 240 bits = 30 hex chars? 01:59:17 I routinely use SHA1 hashes for my passwords, so I don't really find much challenge in this 01:59:49 Right, but you still miss out on useful human-driven error correction for zero gain 01:59:52 a wallet seed is 256 bits plus a checksum 02:00:04 the 25th word is a checksum 02:00:08 "These scraps of paper in my drawer take up too much space" is not a problem I have ever suffered from 02:00:24 OK so there's 10.7 bits per word? 02:01:01 seriously this is not me messing with you, do the experiment 02:01:34 If I was carving this into a chunk of steel (or stone) I would just go wit hthe hex digits 02:02:10 why though? The write error correction and the read error correction still apply 02:03:33 I am 100% serious 02:03:50 take a slip of paper or a rock or whatever 02:03:55 and try to write down the following 02:03:58 1 "argue vocal sauce camera way ketchup eagle gather silent inspire scare upgrade actor patient shock spoil text small casino excuse canoe broken one yard" 02:04:07 2 "0b9e-aafe-105f-80f3-d143-03c8-6eab-0177-502b-4231-9692-dfb9-8c8d-a782-1839-26af" 02:05:12 if you write down "kechtup", it's a trivially recoverable error, saving the ECC bits for later. If you write down aafc instead of aafe? Sure hope you didn't make enough errors... 02:06:38 Well, I can try doing a grid one if you like... 02:06:41 Sit tight. 02:08:31 This one, I'll need to gouge DEEP because if the grid dissolves, recovery then starts getting "Fun." in a hurry. 02:08:38 (Don't do it for my sake, I am perfectly satisfied with my solution of scraps of papers in drawers) 02:08:59 Yeah that's definitely a problem. A belt-and-suspenders solution could be to do both 02:09:32 So to encode "yanmaani", you do [0, y] = y, [1, a] = a, ... 02:10:09 I think what I will do is give a *tiny* bit of extra space between the boxes. 02:10:32 It won't help if the grid gets dissolved and you end up with a blank sheet with some dots in it. 02:10:42 There might be an easier solution 02:10:44 how about this 02:10:50 But it *will* help with making it easier to read while you're doing it. 02:10:51 make a fringe 1 unit wide on each side 02:10:57 then stamp it 02:11:08 even if the grid dissolves, you can take a ruler and reconstruct it 02:11:28 ugly yes? but you are not in the business of pretty solutions since those melt first :) 02:11:29 Yeah, I'm giving it relief on the sides, no doubt. 02:11:40 no not relief, just like an extra square stamped in the middle 02:11:48 I mean the sides 02:12:24 if the top, bottom and sides look like [. . . . . . . .], even if the grid comes off you can still reconstruct it easily 02:14:03 Well, these'll be laser-engraved. I don't have the money to do stamps. 02:14:12 Or at least, to make large production stamps ;). 02:14:27 but who said you shoud make the stamps? 02:14:54 laser-engrave a grid and possibly the dots, then tell people in the instruction booklet to do it themselves ;) 02:17:04 Ok, working on a grid design now... 02:33:12 one thing I fond helpful for not making mistakes writing and reading mnemonic seeds is to write them vertically instead of horizontally 02:33:36 with a 25 word I usually have 2 columns 02:34:38 fond = found 02:54:07 I think I've gotten it to fit into a 6" x 6" plate. 02:56:33 This'll store 48 letters, or enough to get one 12-word seed stored. It will take both sides. 05:46:59 any chance monero cli wallet will get some graphical support? like how mc has lines and columns 06:01:44 azizLIGHT, you can always make a PR 06:01:53 :D 06:02:22 I don't mind how the CLI is right now though. 06:03:33 Other than when I run the "balance" command showing a larger number there's not much I'd change. 06:06:41 hmmm 06:07:53 im a little confused if monero cli is using monerod's downloaded db or not, beacuse i see "starting refresh" and the blocks Height 1843235 / 2034677 06:09:08 meanwhile monerod is synced OK 06:10:46 refreshing the wallet 06:10:55 scanning for txs 06:12:46 ill make a PR to make your balance larger Mochi101 :) 06:13:03 azizLIGHT, the wallet doesn't store XMR or the txs... it's basically a key to accessing that wallet's information that's stored on the blockchain. So it has to read that information from the blockchain before it knows it. 06:13:34 Hence the "refreshing" 06:13:57 so is it downloading this info somewhere? and if so, is it a big space kill? id like to specify where if thats the case 06:14:19 it's just reading it from the blockchain 06:14:27 that monerod downloaded 06:15:01 The wallet will store some stuff in a cache file, but it's minimal. 06:15:21 That way it doesn't have to scan the chain every time you open the wallet. 06:16:31 azizLIGHT, one of my wallet cache files is 23mb... it has ~3k txs 06:17:43 another is ~17mb and that has over 5k txs (but less info stored about those txs) 06:23:36 great, thats fine. i will wait out the refresh 06:29:44 It's still going? 06:30:04 yes. Height 1865122 / 2034687 06:30:12 Are you on a Raspberry Pi or something? 06:30:20 no... im on a i5-4xxx 06:30:37 ok... seems slow 06:30:48 that is my reasoning for asking about it 06:32:33 I believe it's fairly intensive to scan the chain... so probably there's nothing to worry about. 06:32:39 i should say. i was on version 14 gui and monerod. then updated monerod to 15 and it converted the db, and said sync ok. closed monerod 15, started it up again a few times still saying sync ok. then i finally opneed monero wallet cli 15 just now, and that block height is when the old monero 14 gui was being used 06:33:17 yeah 06:33:19 normal 06:33:23 basically i had monero 14 running at that height then forgot about it for a while 06:34:29 alright, well, it took about a day for monerod to catch up from that height to sync ok, so it seems like wallet cli might take the same amount of time 06:34:46 How can you forget about Monero? Monero is Life 06:35:00 i set and forget most things in my life :) 06:35:33 Say hi to your gf for me. 06:36:00 hehe if i had one 06:36:14 oh man... big surprise there hey? :P 06:37:04 I'm just kidding around. 06:40:27 haha maybe if my monero balance was higher :D 07:39:21 Hey yanmaani, I think I got it. It looks like it'll take me one and a half sheets. This leaves me one extra 6" x 6" space to have whatever I want on it, so I suppose it'll allow engraving of one monero private key seed, and I can fit the equivalent of two more written in long form on the other side, which all in all isn't so bad. Lotta steel though. 07:41:07 I'm assuming that each grid space will have roughly a little over 3/16 (but not more than 1/4") of space to strike. This should be plenty. 07:42:00 TheJollyRoger, just use the top of an old sardine can and this: https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/et143-letter-punch-set/ 07:43:37 Hey Mochi101, hehe, indeed I've actually got one of those letter punch sets! 07:43:53 It's quite handy! 07:44:00 or you can just use a piece of stainless or aluminum sheet. 07:44:06 No need to get all fancy 07:44:44 Yeah. For my SSH private key backups I've got a sheet of 1/8" stainless steel. I thought it might be fun to get a little fancier though. 07:45:48 Buy a 1oz gold bar drawfile it down smooth and then stamp the seed into that if you want fancy. 07:45:54 Complete with engraving the Monero "M" onto it so it looks really professional and all. 07:46:03 Ahaha, that's a biiiiiit too fancy for me :P. 07:47:11 :) 08:11:36 Monero looks really promising! Just exchanged all my btc for xmr :) 08:14:56 miniature, were you the person who posted that on Reddit? 08:15:03 and then deleted the post after... 08:15:40 Mochi101: no, that wasn't me 08:15:57 Such coincidence... nice. 08:16:21 miniature, what made you sell your BTC for Monero? 08:16:48 I really like that every transaction is private 08:17:08 So now i dont need to be afraid of KYC 08:17:17 Tracking my coins 08:17:29 :) 08:19:03 miniature, did you read an article somewhere or something that made you think hard about privacy? 08:20:03 Mochi101: I've always been big on privacy, but I haven't gotten into the cryptocurrency game fr real until lately 08:20:14 For real* 08:21:25 I see, well... you picked the right coin if you're looking for privacy. 08:22:58 I hope so! My only fear is that coins are somehow falsely generated and because of the nature of XMR, we can't verify it 08:23:36 That would instantly kill the value 08:25:59 You can always audit the code. 08:27:21 There are a lot of smart people looking at the code (it's open source), I'm sure something would have been found by now if there was anything suspicious going on. 08:28:58 I'm hoping to get into cryptocurrency someday! 08:29:41 I just have this somewhat-irrational phobia I've taken to calling "FOBSO" or "Fear Of Being Screwed Over" and I keep catastrophizing each time I think about approaching that bitcoin ticket vending machine at the mall and then I end up running away. >_<. 08:30:21 TheJollyRoger: just buy an amount that you won't mind risking 08:30:28 To get started 08:30:33 Makes sense, don't gamble more than I can afford to lose! 08:31:25 Personally, I have all my savings in crypto 08:31:34 Wow! 08:31:46 Because the normal dollar is worth less each year 08:31:51 Like 7% 08:32:22 But crypto-currencies are deflationary, and rely on the money supply increasing to incentivize spending? 08:34:02 From my understanding, then isn't moneros inflation 2% or something like that? 08:37:16 Huh. 08:38:51 https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/wzRTJ4yb 08:39:07 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/arve2f/monero_inflation/ 08:39:48 Let's see... 08:40:10 Oh :O. 12:57:41 can you map out the monero network? by connecting to peers, then once noted, banning the ip so you connect to different peers. then manually connect to whatever ips you want to, to monitor traffic? 12:58:24 Yes. 12:58:57 has anyone done that? is it a potential danger? 12:59:08 https://cryptwerk.com/coinmap/xmr/ 12:59:19 neat 12:59:39 One of the pools does it. I think monerohash ? 13:00:29 ah no... sorry azy... that link was bad 13:00:37 https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html 13:00:56 those are just public nodes right? 13:00:56 dsc has a script that does it, which he used to create a list of nodes with open rpc 13:01:39 https://monerohash.com/nodes-distribution.html 13:27:01 miniature: Monero inflation is lower than BTC currently. This changes at the BTC halving in May - but by, I don't quite remember.. may 2022 or so, XMR inflation starts at 0.87% and falls every year thereafter - being lower than BTC until like 2030. 13:30:44 miniature: regarding the "falsely generated" coins, there are a few things to note. 1. Whenever a block is mined, the amount of monero generated is not hidden - so it is trivially auditable. 2. When monero is spent, then the amounts are hidden - and here it is math that guarantees that all transactions sum to 0. The math is solid (according to cryptographers and mathematicians), and the actual 13:30:50 implementation has been audited by a number of external professional companies, paid for by the community. So yes, there is a theoretically higher possibility of an "inflation bug" than in a clear ledger like BTC. This is the price we pay for the added privacy of Monero - and I don't think anyone is losing any sleep over it. 17:08:57 surely theres more than 1326 nodes though? 17:31:30 nodes go up and down all the time azy 17:31:52 i assumed it would be more 17:36:30 Probably more people should configure their firewalls to allow connections 17:36:35 :) 17:37:05 One day when I have a low power device I will run an open node 24/7 17:37:22 yeah i dont do that 18:02:47 Mochi101: rockpro64 runs monerod well and costs $79 18:04:47 Well, I was thinking of something more fun like ODroid 18:05:48 https://www.hardkernel.com/shop/odroid-n2-with-4gbyte-ram/ 18:07:28 seems like that would work just as well 18:08:18 seems very similar in fact, except 2xA73+4xA53 vs 4xA73+2xA53 18:09:44 by "very well," i mean it runs much much better than my i7-4770k with mechanical hard drives. which is borderline unusable 18:11:15 Come on... I have an i7-2600 dev box and it runs monerod just fine with a mechanical drive 18:11:35 does the machine do anything else but monerod? 18:11:42 no 18:11:54 :) 18:12:21 that's probably why. mine is okay if all the ram is free for monerod. otherwise it takes several minutes just to create a tx, or sync a wallet after a couple of days 18:12:22 Mochi101 is a paid shill by the spinning rust cabal 18:13:12 ok... I have an i7-47ooHQ laptop that runs monerod and everything else I'm doing just fine. 18:13:34 Mind you it has an SSD... but even back when it had a mechanical drive it was still fine. 18:13:47 i7-4700HQ 18:13:53 *shrug* 18:14:03 Maybe you have a virus. 18:14:07 unlikely. 18:14:24 You should format your drive and start from scratch... see if that helps. 18:14:29 lol, no. 18:14:31 :D 18:14:38 damn... I tried 18:15:07 instead i just use an $80 computer which works perfectly :) 18:22:09 well, plus a $35 microsd card 20:17:56 hi 20:32:41 Do y’all know anywhere to just buy straight monero and not have to go through bitcoin? 20:33:11 * Do y’all know anywhere to just buy straight Monero and not have to go through bitcoin? 20:33:13 kraken has USD/XMR, EUR/XMR, and GBP/XMR pairs, but it requires KYC 20:33:51 bisq 20:34:45 i think that you have to go fiat->btc->xmr with bisq 20:34:55 person to person 20:35:04 there is option on bisq 20:36:21 there isn't :( every trade must involve btc 20:41:57 buenobt[m], you could try on localmonero 20:42:08 yeah localmonero might be the best depending on your country 20:42:21 usa 20:52:26 I'd just go thru XBT, XBT <-> XMR is super easy 21:16:43 good lord. anything im finding for resumable file uploads is friggin over complicated 21:17:59 torrent? 21:19:10 nah i need it GUI level point and click 21:19:40 most of the corrupt blockchains are coming from windows users that would melt if they needed to do anything scary 21:21:20 gingeropolous: what about filezilla + an ftp server? 21:21:28 idk about filezilla specifically but i think most ftp clients support resuming 21:21:38 yeah, thats a huge effort wall 21:21:57 how is torrent not graphical? 21:22:00 for your average PC user that clicks harder 21:22:10 webtorrent ftw 21:22:25 hrm. to the googles 21:22:32 can literally do it in the browser 21:23:48 who are they seeding it to? 21:24:04 would it automagically fill in my server for a client to upload to? 21:24:43 i'm pretty sure windows has ftp support built in. i don't know if it will resume, however. 21:24:50 like, open an ftp:// url and drag and drop files into it. 21:24:54 i have no idea what the use case is. just saw the torrent comment about not being windows user friendly 21:25:20 hrm. yeah an ftp server would be more straightforward 21:26:49 if you can get the user to install WinSCP, that will definitely support resume and is itself a point-n-click interface 21:26:50 this thing was promising: https://tus.io/ 21:27:03 also supports SFTP in addition to regular FTP 21:27:18 but ran into an error and available docs indicated needing more skills than i have 21:27:35 i like some copypasta 21:27:39 that works 21:27:42 >http based 21:27:46 doesn't http already support resume? 21:28:03 wouldnt this work? https://instant.io/ 21:28:24 talking 80 GB blockchain 21:28:32 or whatever it is 21:28:44 asymptotically: for uploads? 21:29:09 kinghat, yeah i need uploads. TO just seed something seems like it won't work 21:29:23 it means that I would have to have the magnet link they just created to start downloading from them 21:29:39 yeah 21:29:49 torrent seems wrong since in this case there can by definition be only one seed 21:30:15 you just want an open storage space for random ppl to dump to? 21:30:15 is installing WinSCP really that much of a hurdle? they managed to download and install Monero in the first place, right? 21:30:29 then there's http://www.resumablejs.com/ , which manages to get a bunch of split files, but then expects me to know how to put em back together 21:30:50 that should be easy 21:30:57 cat file1 file2 file3 > file 21:31:16 perhaps ndorf , all I know is that if something requires more than pointing and clicking u lose a lot of people that couldn't give 2 fucks , they just want their magic internet money 21:31:39 installing WinSCP shouldn't require more than pointing and clicking. 21:31:45 nor using it for that matter 21:31:52 how many ppl are we talking? 21:32:20 enough to where grabbing their magnet link would be too much of a hassle? 21:32:39 that seems live 21:32:48 how would i get their magnet link? 21:33:13 they select file, it gives them link, they give to you 21:33:24 you enter and start downloading 21:33:26 i'll try this winscp, at least it will work. we'll see how much of a hassle it is for people 21:33:29 then they have to stay online until he finishes leeching it. 21:33:34 ^ 21:33:46 IP address changed? whoops, start over 21:33:53 wut? 21:34:05 isnt that how the internet works? 21:34:35 no? 21:34:39 well that and it seems finicky. namely, being online at the opportune time. im expecting something that we can just post somewhere "if you suspect blockchain corruption, please upload here" 21:34:43 if you're resuming an FTP upload it doesn't matter if your client IP changes 21:35:13 then again, most corrupt blockchains are discovered via reddit where people go "i can't sync, ive been mashing buttons and it doesn't work" 21:35:48 how often are peoples IPs changing before they can upload 80GB? 21:36:52 it probably doesnt get any easier than going to this website https://instant.io/ and selecting "start sharing" 21:37:26 not sure about instant.io, but wouldn't the user need to forward a port through NAT to even begin? 21:37:31 that alone seems like a dealbreaker 21:37:36 no 21:38:09 Also don’t think torrent is the right tool for this. 21:38:12 does instant.io act as the tracker? 21:39:04 selsta: maybe not for gingeropolous but seems like it for the end user 21:39:27 i can't get it to worjk either. i just used instant.io and im not getting a magnet link or anything 21:39:40 instant.io looks cool though 21:40:27 good ol internet. "how to easily shlock around 80 GB files" 21:40:57 back in my day i woulda expected the end user to use winrar and slice it up 21:41:03 plz no. 21:41:07 lol 21:41:24 alt.binaries.monero.blockchain 21:42:08 yeah astalavista is long gone it seems 21:43:17 hrmmm 21:43:36 aight, uve convinced me. i'll do an ftp thing and keep working at making something slick 21:43:48 well, finding something slick to copypasta whomikiddin 21:45:26 why not just use HTTP and split it up? 21:45:33 Or is the use-case that they upload to you? 21:45:49 user uploads. 21:45:57 i believe he's trying to collect example corrupted blockchains from users 21:45:58 yeah but why do you want their blockchain? debug? 21:46:17 yeah. 22:07:52 fyi, dont get a 75gb file near your browser 22:07:56 trying again though 22:12:53 Torrent seems quite easy. Because he doesn't need to DL all of it in theory 22:13:20 If he has them make a torrent with simple instructions and 16 KB blocks, he can load his blockchain and do "force recheck" 22:14:04 So he might only need to D/L a tiny chunk 22:14:15 hey that gives me an idea, although it's a bit ugly 22:14:35 make a JS application that hashes the blockchain with some rolling hash, sends it to a server to compare, and then uploads only the delta 22:14:58 we are obv way past simple solutions now, but it's very simple for the end-user; even a complete idiot could use it 22:15:42 is it actually the case that two exports of the same blockchain will be byte for byte identical? 22:15:46 if so, that's a good idea 22:17:23 unrelated, but is anyone inclined to download https://downloads.getmonero.org/blockchain.raw and see if it imports successfully? 22:17:47 a user is claiming that it does not in https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/2031#issuecomment-586760490 and my internet is too shitty to download it myself 22:31:15 ndorf: In Bitcoin, they aren't, since it may be out of order. But with a proper parser (in Javascript!), it should be fine 22:31:30 or a rolling hash, that could make it sufficiently efficient 23:13:30 gingeropolous: creating a torrent file via webtorrent desktop from 78GB took over a half hour 23:13:40 not sure if a native torrent app would have been faster 23:16:07 73GB* 23:16:17 testing with transmission 23:18:11 ya this seems much faster and only taking a couple mins 23:25:51 want my torrent file to test?