07:16:13 <Inge-> "Our payments are run through BTCPay, however when an invoice is generated it creates a new address for every coin we accept. Unfortunately sometimes if someone doesn't pay in a long time with a certain currency we pass the gap limit. Most coins have solutions through electrum, but Monero being a bit of a different beast needed something else. Glad its working though. :)"
09:59:54 <newyearday> hello
10:00:40 <newyearday> how to start new blockchain when ringsize even for ver1 is at least 3
10:00:51 <newyearday> i have allways "No outputs found, or daemon is not ready"
10:01:07 <newyearday> on transfer this message
10:22:25 <newyearday> what 10-50 first blocks of monero has?
10:22:36 <newyearday> transfers,mining what?
10:27:44 <charolastra> newyearday: you can start your own testnet. in the beginning the miners just validate themselfes, there are not actual transations
10:28:34 <newyearday> what is the difference with mining real blockchain and not testnet
10:28:54 <charolastra> no difference at all, afaik
10:30:01 <charolastra> testnet function is already integrated. for the real blockchain you would have to change the code so it doesn't interfere with the already esteblished blockchain
10:32:45 <newyearday> what to change unlock window ?
10:33:29 <newyearday> mining is working but transfer dont work because there no outputs
10:33:42 <newyearday> i cant understand how the first transfer of monero worked
10:34:01 <newyearday> because even on version 1 ringsize is at least 3
10:39:12 <charolastra> maby there is a bootstrap mechanism in place that reduces ringzise at first
10:40:06 <newyearday> only moneromooo can answer this
10:40:38 <newyearday> what first block of monero has?mining?
10:40:46 <newyearday> where transfers begin
10:41:02 <charolastra> i don't understand the question
10:41:46 <newyearday> blocks can be created from mining or from transfers
10:41:51 <newyearday> right?
10:53:31 <charolastra> only mining creates blocks, even empty ones if there are not transfers
10:55:53 <newyearday> ok right just how transfers begin
10:56:44 <charolastra> no idea. in the testnet it does complain about the ringsize but then does the actual transfer anyway
11:42:23 <moneromooo> I told you yesterday: you need to wait till enough coinbase outputs are unlocked to use in your first ring.
11:43:08 <asymptotically> but i dont want to wait :( i want to be rich now!!!
13:47:53 <hyc> to anybody who isn't paranoid already https://twitter.com/gregpmiller/status/1227204223214985216
13:55:41 <newyearday> "trusted a single company "
13:55:43 <newyearday> is enough
14:11:24 <Adriel> does anyone know how to tell monerod to put the blockchain on a drive that isnt my ssd that is almost full?
14:12:03 <Adriel> or where the config file is located so I can specify a custom one?
14:12:20 <asymptotically> how do you launch the daemon Adriel? you can use the --data-dir argument to put it somewhere else
14:12:37 <asymptotically> for example monerod --data-dir /mnt/myharddrive/monerod
14:12:50 <Adriel> thank you
14:13:00 <Adriel> that will at least let me get it synced
14:13:08 <Adriel> maybe it hasnt made the config file yet
14:13:21 <Adriel> but it did download 2% of the blockchain somewhere...
14:13:44 <asymptotically> i don't think it creates a config by default, but you can make one and then use --config-file /etc/monerod.conf
14:13:48 <hyc> it doesn't create a config file
14:15:52 <Adriel> that worked btw
14:16:08 <Adriel> I may just write a batch file to launch it
14:16:11 <Adriel> :)
14:16:52 <Adriel> my linux box was way easier
14:17:09 <Adriel> I just made my .bitmonero dir somewhere else and ln -s to my home dir :)
14:18:45 <hyc> yeah that's what I usually do, just symlink to where I want it
14:19:10 <Adriel> its just that my gaming pc is the best option for leaving the mining running and it is on windows :)
14:19:18 <Adriel> I don't want to slow down my workstation all the time :)
14:52:24 <moneromooo> FWIW, syncing on a SSD is *much* faster than on a HDD. You may want to consider moving some stuff from SSD to HDD to make space, then sync on SSD, then swap back.
14:56:07 <asymptotically> you could leave the daemon and wallet on your workstation, and then install a pool miner on your gaming computer too
14:56:45 <Adriel> yea I plan to use the wallet in linux
14:57:22 <Adriel> The website says I can use a public pool rather than syncing, and it says I can bootstrap the pool?
14:57:30 <Adriel> but it gives no indication how
14:58:25 <Adriel> wow 55GB?
14:58:40 <Adriel> yea there is no way I can clear that much space on my 120G ssd heh
15:01:41 <Inge-> hyc: that article certainly does not make it less probable that the NSA has attempted to compromise cryptography in the more recent past.
15:06:39 <moneromooo> It's either ~85 GB (full) or ~25 GB (pruned).
15:08:37 <Adriel> well it is 55GB to download from the website and import
15:08:44 <Adriel> must be compressed
15:08:45 <Adriel> :)
15:09:06 <Adriel> I should probably sync it once and copy the db to the other workstations via gigabit :)
15:11:08 <Adriel> how do I tell it to use the public copy rather than download it?
15:15:29 <moneromooo> Do you mean "how do I tell my wallet to use a possibly malicious stranger's node rather than my one that I checked" ?
15:15:48 <Adriel> heh
15:15:56 <Adriel> well can I download it pruned?
15:16:14 <Adriel> if its a stupid idea btw it perhaps shouldnt be listed as a feature?
15:16:16 <Adriel> on the website
15:16:16 <Adriel> :P
15:16:18 <moneromooo> If you start monerod with --prune-blockchain, it'll download it all, but save it pruned as it goes.
15:17:02 <Adriel> is unpruned faster if I have the diskspace?
15:17:03 <moneromooo> Lots of people don't care about being scammed. They figure it only happens to others.
15:17:17 <moneromooo> It won't be faster, just save space.
15:17:36 <Adriel> oh well
15:17:42 <Adriel> I guess I will just wait another hr or 2
15:17:45 <Adriel> heh
15:18:16 <Adriel> I just wanted to get my wallet created before syncing the blockchain
15:18:29 <moneromooo> Your "listed as a feature" comment makes me think yu might be talking about the bootstrap file rather than using a stranger's nde ?
15:18:43 <moneromooo> Oh you can do that without getting the chain first.
15:18:52 <Adriel> yes that
15:18:59 <Adriel> well I have an unscynced wallet
15:19:05 <Adriel> but that is unusable till it is synced right?
15:19:17 <moneromooo> Less usable. But not unusable.
15:19:19 <Adriel> no
15:19:23 <Adriel> not downloading the file
15:19:34 <Adriel> the thing that claims I can use the wallet immediately
15:19:40 <Adriel> I have no idea how to do that
15:20:07 <moneromooo> There is bootstrap mode, which is better than just using a stranger's node. You're only vulnerable till synced.
15:20:24 <Adriel> so its a command switch?
15:20:29 <moneromooo> --help will show the option, probably --boostrap or similar.
15:20:30 <Adriel> on monerod or cli?
15:20:36 <moneromooo> monerod.
15:21:04 <moneromooo> Basically monerod proxies to another node (so you're vulnerable there) but syncs in the background. After done syncing, it switches back to its own (not vulnerable anymore).
15:22:01 <Adriel> --bootstrap-daemon-address auto
15:22:01 <Adriel> ?
15:23:48 <moneromooo> Yes.
15:24:09 <yanmaani> How bad is it to use a stranger's node anyway? I asked about this before and the response I got was that it's safe but has implementation issues making it unsafe
15:25:00 <Adriel> It depends on the stranger
15:25:24 <Adriel> I think that worked, the wallet seems to be active now :)
15:25:41 <Adriel> any mining pool recommendations? :)
15:25:59 <Adriel> for xmrig
15:26:22 <yanmaani> If you use sufficient strangers, I mean
15:26:39 <yanmaani> As in, an Electrum-style SPV node that scans for payments
15:27:54 <moneromooo> You can use just one stranger with monero. Using more is theoretically possible, but I don't feel like spending time on these things when you could just use your own node.
15:28:11 <yanmaani> Not everyone has 60 gb of space though
15:28:24 <moneromooo> The stranger can DoS you obviously. They can also send you fake blocks which appear to send you money (if they know one of your addresses).
15:28:25 <yanmaani> or 25, if you're pruning
15:28:33 <yanmaani> yeah but if we have multiple strangers
15:28:40 <moneromooo> < moneromooo> You can use just one stranger with monero.
15:28:45 <yanmaani> If you have a list of a few hundred
15:28:52 <Adriel> But I could at least use one of my established nodes right?
15:28:52 <yanmaani> uhh how am I to parse that
15:28:56 <yanmaani> "You can use at most one stranger"
15:28:58 <yanmaani> or
15:29:03 <yanmaani> "It is sufficient to use one stranger"
15:29:07 <moneromooo> "You can use at most one stranger"
15:29:22 <yanmaani> how come?
15:29:34 <nioc> Adriel: here is a list of mining pools https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
15:29:34 <yanmaani> My mental model is that it asks the stranger for all the blocks since the last download
15:29:36 <moneromooo> I don't feel like spending time on these things when you could just use your own node.
15:29:38 <Adriel> it seems silly to have the whole blockchain on more than one pc on my network
15:29:38 <yanmaani> (with some filtering?)
15:29:48 <yanmaani> and then looks for transactions inside
15:30:01 <yanmaani> why can't you ask two nodes for the blocks and see if they agree for example?
15:30:06 <moneromooo> If it's your own node, you can certanly point all your wallets at it.
15:30:17 <yanmaani> everyone can't use their own node
15:30:21 <moneromooo> Because... wait for it... I don't feel like spending time on these things when you could just use your own node.
15:30:25 <yanmaani> TAILS is the most obvious use-case, but mobile as well
15:30:30 <yanmaani> yeah implementing obviously
15:30:36 <nioc> Adriel: don't use dwarfpool as they are closing
15:30:39 <yanmaani> but is your antipathy so strong you don't even want to talk about it?
15:30:46 <moneromooo> And the dwarfpool op is a scammer.
15:31:51 <nioc> that's waht I usually tell people but now I have an easier excuse
15:36:52 <Adriel> I am trying minexmr but I am not sure how to tell it where to send the coins
15:37:59 <Adriel> the config file on xmrig does not have an option
15:40:22 <nioc> Adriel: put in your address, there is a wizard on the xmrig website that will make setting the config easier
15:41:07 <Adriel> found it
15:41:11 <nioc> your address goes in "user"
15:41:19 <Adriel> for some reason I thought the user field wanted a hostname
15:41:24 <Adriel> heh
15:41:27 <Adriel> ty :)
15:41:31 <nioc> yw
15:45:42 <Adriel> I think I have it mining to the pool :)
15:45:49 <Adriel> we shall see in an hr or so :)
15:46:05 <Adriel> is there a way to make it stop locking the cli every 10 seconds for my "safety"?
15:47:00 <moneromooo> Yes, set the timeout to more than 10 seconds in "set".
15:47:20 <moneromooo> It defaults to 90 though, so you probably already set it ?
15:47:36 <moneromooo> (0 disables altogether)
15:49:03 <Adriel> is that a command line switch?
15:49:15 <moneromooo> No. "set" in the monero-wallet-cli console.
15:49:54 <Adriel> ty, trying it now :)
15:50:05 <moneromooo> yanmaani: I'm unsure whether you started going weird or not in that last line, or whether I misinterpreted your earlier questions. So let me restate clearly:
15:50:41 <Adriel> 472iCFtRQrv4zAVzZT1mYo2aaXaqEm4RtZGMgVEneuz9ShxqFiBcyozdRpwweY1KNPWhuX7S2qkzLJbpBU8G1hNdDBsthNA
15:50:43 <Adriel> oops
15:50:44 <moneromooo> The Monero does not support connecting to more than one daemon at a time to compare results. It is theoretically possible.
15:50:46 <Adriel> that was a mistake
15:50:51 <moneromooo> The monero wallet.
15:50:53 <Adriel> but feel free to send coins there heh
15:51:45 <moneromooo> If that wasn't what you had asked, please rephrase.
15:53:13 <Adriel> the set command did not work
15:53:15 <Adriel> looking in help
15:53:37 <Adriel> Error: set: unrecognized argument(s)
15:53:41 <Adriel> that is what I meant to paste
15:54:01 <moneromooo> Check for typos in the argument(s).
15:55:03 <Adriel> [wallet 472iCF]: set autorefresh 1
15:55:08 <Adriel> does that have any typos?
15:55:12 <Adriel> I cant see any
15:55:26 <Adriel> I have not yet found out if the timeout command exists, still trying to read the help
15:55:30 <moneromooo> I'd say it's 80% likely to be auto-refresh.
15:55:44 <moneromooo> "set" lists all the variables.
15:56:05 <moneromooo> It also defaults to 1 already.
15:56:25 <Adriel> hmm
15:56:33 <Adriel> it doesnt work with anything for some reason
15:56:49 <Adriel> no matter what I type it always says set unrecognized arguments
15:57:32 <Adriel> there does not seem to be a timeout, but if I set askpasswd 0 perhaps that would fix me
15:59:16 <moneromooo> It's 99% likely to be ask-password.
16:00:27 <Adriel> I should copy all this to a text file so I can actually reference it :)
16:01:10 <Adriel> I found it, it is "inactivity-lock-timeout = 90
16:01:10 <Adriel> "
16:01:12 <Adriel> :)
16:04:54 <Adriel> typing the set command without the word help was more helpful heh
16:04:57 <Adriel> easier to read
16:08:28 <Adriel> I'll prob use xmrig anyway so I don't need to share the db
16:11:31 <Adriel> ty again, sorry if I am asking too many questions :)
16:30:05 <yanmaani> moneromooo: That's what I mean, yes. If it were implemented, how safe/unsafe would it be?
16:31:28 <moneromooo> About the same as Bitcoin I think. Which is to say I don't really know :)
16:31:49 <moneromooo> Probably safe enough.
16:56:19 <Adriel> ty again, I have it mining :)   Pending Balance: 0.000039165124 XMR
16:56:28 <Adriel> heh
17:00:34 <nioc> \o/
18:21:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <ndhmfndhmf> Hi! I was trying to download the monero-gui wallet, but I'm confused as to what's going on with the releases?
18:21:41 <xmrmatterbridge> <ndhmfndhmf> https://web.getmonero.org/downloads/ list the current version as 0.15.0.2, whereas https://web.getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt and https://github.com/monero-project/monero/releases are all at 0.15.0.1
18:25:27 <selsta> CLI is at v0.15.0.1
18:25:31 <selsta> GUI at v0.15.0.2
18:27:26 <xmrmatterbridge> <ndhmfndhmf> ah, my mistake. thank you