13:13:13 <newyearday> hello
13:22:00 <newyearday> how  new blockchain can start when ringsize is at least 11
13:39:05 <newyearday> anyone here?
13:39:20 <newyearday> how to start when decoys must be at least 11
13:39:36 <newyearday> how to avoid this for example until height 10
13:40:31 <mfoolb> hello, I'm doing some test with wallet file on external drives.. what do I need to have same accounts and addresses using same wallet but from different drives?
13:43:33 <newyearday> save 25words in paper
13:45:16 <mfoolb> for example txs are updated  but created accounts are only present if I access one of the two wallet file on drive, subaddress that received transaction is present in both drives but no description in one of the drives (the one were I did not create the subaddress)
13:50:22 <moneromooo> newyearday: I think it just won't work till at least that many coinbase outputs are unlocked.
13:51:02 <moneromooo> They unlock after 60, so you'll have to wait till block... 72ish ? to be able to spend (instead of 60 or 61).
13:54:32 <newyearday> well u can change unlock to 0
13:55:16 <newyearday> but even protocol 1 down allow 0 decoy
13:55:21 <newyearday> or yes?
13:56:01 <moneromooo> If you change consensus rules, than you can change them to do whatever you like, sure.
13:56:08 <moneromooo> Including ring size 1.
14:00:21 <newyearday> if i insert version 1 for 115 blocks can i use ring 0
14:00:27 <newyearday> if i insert version 1 for 15 blocks can i use ring 0
14:23:01 <newyearday> why decoy starts here https://www.xmrchain.net/search?value=100000
14:54:21 <Inge-> mfoolb: I believe that accounts + subadresses are like bitcoin hd addresses - deterministically generated based on the seed. But some *metadata* is only in the wallet file - e.g. notes / names of subaddresses, *destination* adresses of outgoing transfers ...
14:57:24 <mfoolb> Inge-: so it kind of update the local wallet file and you cannot have that information on copies/backup?
15:13:34 <Inge-> I think there is some support for exporting and importing that data
15:14:04 <Inge-> but basically, without moving it between wallets manually, you lose all information beyond what is stored on-chain or that which is derivable from the seed.
15:22:42 <mfoolb> Inge-: you could have elaborate accounts and addresses structure .. recovering that kind of wallet could be a mess without the metainfo
15:35:36 <Inge-> For sure.
15:46:50 <asymptotically> M5M400: i did :D i thought of that after trying it in different places on the stats api/chat
15:49:04 <asymptotically> (it didn't get me anywhere though :()
15:54:04 <mfoolb> Inge-: do you have any pointer to that possible import/export function?
16:10:48 <gscoders> Sing/verify section is working?
16:11:00 <gscoders> in Monero GUI?
16:11:08 <selsta> should work
16:11:12 <gscoders> I am playing with it and can not verify signed message
16:11:21 <Mochi101> Sometimes I sing to my Monero to try and make it feel like it's worth more.
16:11:39 <gscoders> *sign
16:11:42 <gscoders> sorry :P
16:11:56 <Mochi101> I <3 a good typo.
16:12:28 <gscoders> english is not my native language so I do a lot of misspelling misspelling
16:12:56 <Mochi101> What's your native language?
16:13:59 <Mochi101> Polish?
16:14:31 <Mochi101> I can tell by your accent.
16:20:12 <gscoders> yes, but you just check it using whois on IRC :P
18:39:57 <Inge-> mfoolb: sorry. havent lo9ked into it in detail myself yet
20:02:54 <mfoolb> Inge-: ping me if you do :)
20:04:12 <mfoolb> With more and more exchange closing XMR trading are there any new rules and regulations obliging exchanges that permit fiat/XMR trading?
20:04:26 <Inge-> more and more?
20:05:08 <mfoolb> well I think bitbay is the last of a series
20:05:12 <Inge-> there was what, a few in Japan who wanted to front-run potential legislation, and maybe one in south Korea that stopped doing XMR .. in south Korea, or something?
20:05:44 <Inge-> big exchanges still support xmr just fine. Kraken and Bittrex eveen do xmr-fiat while being US regulated exchanges
20:06:16 <Inge-> The rumors of XMRs demise from exchanges seem to be slightly exaggerated
20:06:17 <mfoolb> well coinbase, bitbay are big too..
20:08:08 <selsta> Bitbay has tiny volume.
20:08:25 <selsta> Also Coinbase never supported Monero so it can’t remove Monero lol
20:09:45 <selsta> Bithumb (South Korea) still supports XMR.
20:11:03 <Mochi101> North Korea Best Korea
20:38:15 <bigslim[m]> Dat SK Oscar win tho
20:38:19 <bigslim[m]> Parasites
22:25:17 <yanmaani> I presume you all have heard of Grin. How does it compare to Monero?
22:30:06 <moneromooo> Grin scales better. Monero privates better.
22:31:17 <moneromooo> I've not looked at it in depth really, but it looks like a very good coin.
23:15:38 <Inge-> moneromooo: but it still needs to keep kernels of each transaction, so it is still linear scaling and not log scaling afaik?
23:16:41 <moneromooo> I believe there is a small linear component, yes. I don't know the numbers.