02:34:08 <cannon-c[m]> anyone online?
02:34:41 <cannon-c[m]> I did have a question. Does Trezor T with monero wallet work with password entry on trezor screen? I seem to can only get it to work with pass entry on computer not on trezor
02:34:53 <cannon-c[m]> pass entry on trezor device is more secure
03:22:53 <gingeropolous> https://twitter.com/socrates1024/status/1225463673713561607
03:23:47 <gingeropolous> when ringsize 1k
03:32:39 <luigi1111w> ringsize 1k doesn't fix that most likely
03:32:52 <luigi1111w> howevever choosing your ring partners would make him look silly
03:44:22 <gingeropolous> well there's also the time element too
03:45:14 <gingeropolous> like, if Alice sends Bob two transactions of 5$ at the same time
03:45:36 <gingeropolous> and then Bob sends back 5$ from address A within 5 minutes.
03:45:58 <gingeropolous> then the triangular distribution (and if it was ringsize 1k) would make it somewhat difficult, because probably both outputs would be ringmembers
03:46:31 <gingeropolous> however, if we're using ringsize 11, and Bob waits 15 days and then sends the 5$ back to Alice, then its less likely that both outputs will be ringmembers
03:47:01 <gingeropolous> so I think mega-ultra ringsize would fix it
03:47:15 <gingeropolous> hyper-dooper-supra-ringsize
03:48:04 <gingeropolous> or whatever the decay is for the triangular distribution
03:49:00 <gingeropolous> and of course, the odds could be stacked in the trackers favor if the 5$ is sent via 3 outputs and the other only 2 outputs
03:53:16 <luigi1111w> it's a gamma distribution now
03:53:49 <gingeropolous> potato potato
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06:23:02 <TheFuzzStone[m]> Thanks.
06:46:25 <selsta> cannon-c[m]: Are you using the GUI? There is a wallet password and there is a passphrase. The passphrase can be entered on device.
07:05:36 <riceandbeans> The smallest monero is a nanero?
07:06:00 <riceandbeans> I forget it's something metric so of course as an American I wouldn't remember it
08:00:32 <fluffypony> I don't understand what he was trying to prove in that example - that you can see that the transaction output was used in a ring sig?
08:00:32 <Quotes> But it's easy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXJKdh1KZ0w
09:12:24 <Inge-> EAE is a pretty bad scenario.
09:12:42 <Inge-> contrived*
10:17:15 <fluffypony> Inge-: agreed
11:14:09 <newyearday> hello
13:29:15 <newyearday> hello
13:58:14 <newyearday> moneromooo until now nobody can help because even c++ guru dont knwo how blockchain work
13:59:12 <moneromooo> There's nothing blockchain about dereferencing an invalid pointer.
13:59:50 <moneromooo> You're asking for the first element of something empty.
14:01:08 <newyearday> how to fill that element
14:01:31 <moneromooo> That's yours to find. I'd have to re-read all the code to remind myself how this works too :)
14:02:12 <newyearday> u mean that the issue is not tx_cache_data
14:02:38 <newyearday> but the function process_new_transaction
14:02:39 <moneromooo> No. I mean I do not know without actually going to investigate the source.
14:03:41 <newyearday> the source of wallet2.cpp ??
14:07:41 <moneromooo> Yes.
14:10:01 <moneromooo> OK, post your patch again, I don't remember it very well. I'll see if I can quickly get you another hint.
14:10:20 <moneromooo> (if you post it before my build's finished :P)
14:10:22 <newyearday> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/d8c3b695/
14:10:29 <newyearday> https://paste.debian.net/hidden/f6811e8a/
14:10:41 <asymptotically> moneromooo: so he has a few months to post it then? :D
14:10:57 <moneromooo> :o
14:11:07 <newyearday> i was waiting for u asymptotically
14:11:13 <asymptotically> hello newyearday
14:11:18 <newyearday> hello
14:11:25 <moneromooo> TRy replacing "std::vector<tx_cache_data> tx_cache_data;" with "tx_cache_data tx_cache_data;"
14:11:32 <moneromooo> and "tx_cache_data[0]" with "tx_cache_data" in the call.
14:11:43 * moneromooo looks at the user side
14:11:51 <asymptotically> i just upgraded to 256gb of ram, i can finally compile monero with -j2
14:12:16 <newyearday> ok moneromooo im starting to compile
14:12:33 <moneromooo> Right, that structure is all vectors, so default ctor will give a valid empty one.
14:12:50 <moneromooo> And the caller seems to check empty, which matches my dim recollection.
14:13:25 <moneromooo> Now I don't know whether that case was tested, since it doesn't happen in pratice so it might still bork.
14:14:44 <moneromooo> Oh look, process_pool_state does just what you want. It passes {} for it (which is equivalent to what you're just trying).
14:14:55 <moneromooo> Always pays to look at other calls to see what they're doing :)
14:18:30 <newyearday> ok i try the first one and after we c process_pool_state
14:33:51 <asymptotically> what would cause the expected_reward of a block (given in the block template) to be different to the actual reward?
14:34:36 <moneromooo> Fees.
14:40:00 <asymptotically> the penalty for making a large block, or something else?
14:41:36 <moneromooo> That'd be included in the block template already.
14:41:50 <moneromooo> Actually, fees would too...
14:42:07 <moneromooo> So the miner might just decrease the amount themselves.
14:44:04 <asymptotically> so if i don't edit the transaction to give myself less, i'll always have the expected amount?
14:48:28 <moneromooo> Yes.
14:48:40 <asymptotically> great, thank you :)
14:59:46 <fullmetalScience> Hi. I'm plotting the fees varying by block size. What's the current formula? (Or where would I find it in the sources?)
15:00:05 <fullmetalScience> I used this from Mastering Monero so far, but it seems to be off:
15:00:14 <fullmetalScience> r=0.6 ; R=10 ; M=300 ; F=0.002 ; set format y "%.5f" ; plot [300:1200] ((r/R) in out (M/x) in out F in out 0.2 in out 4)
15:00:57 <fullmetalScience> r=0.6 ; R=10 ; M=300 ; F=0.002 ; set format y "%.5f" ; plot [300:1200] ((r/R) x (M/x) x F x 0.2 x 4)
15:01:01 <moneromooo> The formula is in the commit message which added it IIRC.
15:01:17 <fullmetalScience> Checking ...
15:01:28 <moneromooo> 82dbba10d467e28e56929e2e7f3b1f04d4635da4
15:05:58 <fullmetalScience> Okay. Mastering Monero states that the 60000 was adjusted to 300000 in 2017
15:08:24 <moneromooo> The min block size is now 300000. I don't know whether that change also applies to the fee though.
15:08:28 * moneromooo looks
15:10:43 <moneromooo> Oh god. I remember now. It's the confusing formula. See get_dynamic_base_fee in blockchain.cpp.
15:11:01 <moneromooo> It is apparently equivalent to another.
15:11:25 <fullmetalScience> That formula from the commit message ==> (R/R0) in out (M0/M) in out F0 <== is for fee per byte?
15:11:51 <moneromooo> Not sure. Could be kB at the time.
15:13:21 <fullmetalScience> MMonero gives this for fee by kB: (R/R0) x (M0/M) x F0 x (60/300) x 4
15:13:51 <fullmetalScience> So there's an adjustment added at the end.
15:17:57 <fullmetalScience> The last 4 is for tx priority. Set it to 1 (low) and now the resulting graph makes sense.
15:18:26 <fullmetalScience> What's a typical Monero tx size in kB?
15:18:57 <fullmetalScience> E.g. one input, two outputs
15:20:47 <moneromooo> 1.8 kB IIRC. 2.5 kB for 2->2.
15:31:38 <newyearday> why "difficulty targets must be a multiple of 60" and not "difficulty targets must be a multiple of x" on cryptonote_basic_impl.cpp
15:35:02 <moneromooo> Read the code a bit below that, it probably assumes it.
15:40:30 <fullmetalScience> (disconnect after what i wrote)
15:45:34 <moneromooo> < moneromooo> 1.8 kB IIRC. 2.5 kB for 2->2.
19:20:10 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> So someone found a vulnerability at the American DoD which the hackerone exchange suggests is a monero botnet
19:20:16 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> https://hackerone.com/reports/768266
19:20:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> But then they tweet out that it was a "bitcoin miner"
19:20:48 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> https://mobile.twitter.com/DC3VDP/status/1223260093355044865
20:10:51 <gingeropolous> shoulda said its a bitcorn miner
20:10:58 <gingeropolous> come and get your bitcorns