04:40:39 <riceandbeans> Anyone happen to know if with localmonero you can buy xmr with another crypto like btc or ltc?
04:43:21 <rottensox> riceandbeans: no idea. but you can do that on bisq or hodlhodl.
04:43:24 <rottensox> that i know.
04:45:10 <Mochi101> riceandbeans, YES... https://localmonero.co/buy-monero-using-cryptocurrency-with-btc
04:46:35 <Mochi101> The third dropdown let's you choose a payment method to search for.
04:48:55 <riceandbeans> Nice, thanks
04:49:23 <riceandbeans> I saw stuff like cash in the mail and money wires and I'm like, that sounds kinda risky
06:46:29 <mapuche> hello
07:49:38 <mapuche> if hardfork.cpp is changed from 1 to 12 new blockchain will have v12 or we need to change other things
08:04:02 <mapuche> is anyone here
08:05:21 <marmulak> yes
08:05:49 <mapuche> is possible for new blockchain to start from v12
08:06:15 <marmulak> a new block chain can start from anything
08:08:14 <mapuche> well i did that (changed hardfork.cpp from 1 to 12) but after i had "genesis has old version" message and new blockchain wont start
08:08:26 <mapuche> i didnt change smth else
08:12:58 <marmulak> sounds like tricky business
08:25:54 <mapuche> is the right move to change hardfork.cpp from 1 to 12 if u want new blockchain to start with v12
08:41:00 <mapuche> `am i on monero channel?
09:12:44 <sech1> mapuche yes and yes, you can start with 12
09:14:08 <mapuche> but why is this message "has old version"
09:14:47 <sech1> because you also need to fix values in src/hardforks/hardforks.cpp
09:16:18 <mapuche> i change there   { 12, 0, 0, 10000000000000000000 },
09:16:48 <mapuche> must remove mainnet_hard_fork_version_1_till
09:16:53 <mapuche> ?
09:17:08 <mapuche> or mainnet_hard_fork_version_1_till = 0;
09:22:00 <sech1> did you also change "original_version = 1" in hardfork.h? And "{ 12, 0, 0, 10000000000000000000 }" should be "{ 12, 0, 0, 1579857704 }" - last number is the unix timestamp
09:25:44 <mapuche> im doing it right now
09:31:08 <mapuche> this 1579857704 is timestamp of first block?
09:38:00 <sech1> yes
09:39:14 <mapuche> i did well mainnet_hard_fork_version_1_till = 0;
09:55:17 <mapuche> after all this changes still "has old version" 0
10:00:15 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> In such cases I always search the message in the source, go into the debugger, set a breakpoint there, run, and when it breaks, see variables values to understand what it complains about
10:01:22 <mapuche> i did that but says no stack
10:01:32 <mapuche> maybe i dont know where to set breakpoint
10:02:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Well, did you find the statement in the source code that outputs the message in question? Put the breakpoint right there.
10:04:07 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Or, for quick-and-dirty debugging, add log output that dumps interesting variable values to console, so you can see more, if debugging does not seem to work (which it does, sometimes)
10:04:51 <mapuche> debugging is the best because even with --log-level 4 i didnt c something more
10:05:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> No, I mean you yourself modify the source to add new log statements, so you are able to see some values that may help you to understand the problem
10:06:14 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> This "trick" already worked 50 years ago when there were no debugger in existence yet :)
10:06:16 <mapuche> im not so good to add code
10:06:51 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Hmm, well, maybe learn that, depending on what you want to achieve. Maybe won't possible otherwise
10:08:24 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> But anyway, you do work with a *debug* build, right?
10:11:24 <mapuche> no i dont
10:11:40 <mapuche> i must do a debug build?
10:12:04 <mapuche> ok i do it right now
10:15:34 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Yes, with a normal build you have hardly any chance to correctly debug. That's what debug builds are for, after all.
10:15:41 <mapuche> sech1 are u here
10:17:37 <sech1> If you can't debug, I think it'll be easier to just cycle through versions 1-12 in the first 12 blocks and have genesis block at version 1. Just modify block heights and timestamps in hardforks.cpp
10:24:38 <mapuche> im trying to debug is better solution
10:24:42 <mapuche> cleaner
10:37:12 <mapuche> how to have genesis at block 1
13:54:18 <koe> rbrunner are you available? have some multisig questions
14:01:02 <rbrunner> Yes, here
14:01:15 <koe> ok
16:06:40 <mapuche> hello
16:16:00 <koe> greetings fellow earthling
16:18:11 <Pr0t3us> just a heads up: the download link for linux on monero-gui's github release page is a 404 https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/releases/tag/v0.15.0.3
16:18:58 <asymptotically> i don't think it's built yet
16:19:40 <Pr0t3us> the release is 25 days old? the link from getmonero.org appears to work as well
16:20:04 <asymptotically> Pr0t3us: i think that the links on getmonero.org are for 0.15.0.2
16:20:32 <Pr0t3us> ahh this is correct
16:20:42 <Pr0t3us> just double checked
16:26:59 <koe> mapuche I imagine genesis block 1 would require quite a lot of code edits
16:27:17 <koe> is letting it remain block 0 not reasonable?
16:28:37 <mapuche>  well i think is no need to do it
16:28:42 <mapuche> too complicated
16:29:13 <mapuche> i had handle_block_to_main_chain return 1
16:29:27 <mapuche> after debugging
16:29:51 <mapuche> i dont know what to do next
16:30:07 <mapuche> at least i debug!
16:30:21 <koe> to start a new chain?
16:30:39 <koe> maybe look for instructions about setting up testnet chains
16:33:44 <mapuche> the problem is how to run from the begining with v12 and v1
16:34:53 <moneromooo> It should be fairly straightforward. You get a verification error. Look at the condition it's failing, arrange for that condition to be true. Repeat.
16:36:07 <mapuche> handle_block_to_main_chain return false
16:36:45 <mapuche> check is on 4212 of blcockhain.cpp
16:55:20 <mapuche> how to arrange that handle_block_to_main_chain return true
16:55:46 <moneromooo> That's your job, isn't it ?
16:56:01 <moneromooo> You do the work, you get the premine.
16:58:11 <mapuche> is not my job because i dont know deep things
16:58:13 <mapuche>  im testing,trying to learn
17:00:04 <koe> so cynical moo!
17:02:20 <mapuche> im sure that most of u start like that..
17:04:04 <koe> sounds like you have to trace back through all the functions; code wasn't built to restart from scratch; you may also look for monero forks which started from recent versions
17:05:54 <mapuche> most of monero forks are copy paste things without knowing what is happening inside
17:16:34 <koe> Investigating monero does take a bit of determination, anyone here can attest
17:42:42 <moneromooo> Because many people ask the same thing about block 0, and most of it is about a premine.
17:43:27 <moneromooo> So yes, cynical, but sometimes even I am not cynical enough.
17:43:51 <moneromooo> I also assumed you were the same person asking about this for a few weeks. I might have been wrong here ?
17:46:23 <mapuche> wrong
17:46:32 <mapuche> lof of people ask for premine
17:46:35 <moneromooo> Ah, sorry then.
17:47:02 <mapuche> im not asking for premine just how new blockchain can start with v12
17:47:34 <moneromooo> Well, off the top of my head, hardforks.cpp should be pretty much the only thing. And obviously remove the checkpoints.
17:47:51 <mapuche> changed harforks.cpp and remove checkpoints
17:48:03 <mapuche> but allways "has old version" 0
17:48:30 <moneromooo> Did you give it a new genesis block with v12 ?
17:49:15 <mapuche> where? on genesis first byte?
17:49:26 <moneromooo> That sounds right I think.
17:49:37 <mapuche> i think i tried even this
17:49:40 <mapuche> wait to try again
17:52:08 <mapuche> version is variant or not?
17:52:22 <moneromooo> No. One byte.
17:52:36 <mapuche> ah i did it as variant thats why didnt worked!!~
17:53:01 <moneromooo> Oh, it's actually a varint, I just checked :P
17:53:12 <moneromooo> But it's a uint8_t anyway.
17:53:28 <moneromooo> 12 is the same as varint and int, so no matter.
17:54:07 <mapuche> so i put "c"
17:55:03 <mapuche> capital c  ?
17:57:00 <mapuche> no need to change anything else
17:57:12 <mapuche> for example original_version on hardfork.h
18:11:25 <mapuche> back
18:59:33 <mapuche30> back again
18:59:41 <mapuche30> someone took my nickname
19:10:27 <mapuche> moneromooo i tried with C,c but still version 0
19:10:36 <lyza> hey all. was posting in #monero-community about issues I've been having lately with the GUI not connecting to the daemon. I'm happy to describe the issue in more detail or describe troubleshooting steps I've tried, but to start, here is a log: https://pastebin.com/8xWn3KiR
19:10:47 <mapuche> "C3c01....
19:10:58 <mapuche> "c3c01....
19:11:03 <selsta> lyza: post the other logs
19:11:49 <selsta> also use paste.debian.net :)
19:11:51 <lyza> ah sorry I meant to. this is a recent monerod log: https://pastebin.com/FLRUMsR7
19:12:05 <lyza> oh Hell yeah I was wondering if there was a better pastebin, thanks
19:14:04 <moneromooo> Seems to be working fine.
19:14:49 <lyza> that's just the thing. the daemon seems to be working fine, mostly, but the GUI won't connect
19:15:32 <lyza> like this: https://i.imgur.com/r1kWbBF.png
19:16:12 <lyza> also now the daemon seems locked up, which happens occasionally too. log hasn't updated for 4 monutes and it's now several blocks ehind
19:17:02 <moneromooo> Check what it's doing when locked up. As in, get a stack trace or a few.
19:18:42 <mapuche> moneromooo what im doing wrong for versiob
19:18:45 <mapuche> moneromooo what im doing wrong for version
19:18:57 <moneromooo> c3 is...
19:19:09 <moneromooo> 195.
19:19:16 <moneromooo> It'll also be a > 1 byte varint.
19:19:25 <lyza> not really sure how I'd go about doing that tbh
19:19:27 <moneromooo> So I have no idea why you did this.
19:19:33 <moneromooo> Do you have gdb ?
19:19:45 <moneromooo> I always forget whether gdb works on windows.
19:20:07 <lyza> well there's the Linux subsytem for Windows or whatever but....
19:20:42 <mapuche> 3c is unlock time
19:20:48 <moneromooo> Ah, the new shiny embrace and extent isn't it. And some people want to give them a one hundred and seventy third chance...
19:21:30 <moneromooo> It's byte based, not nybble. Put in a whole byte (replacing the 0 or 1 that's there).
19:21:42 <lyza> heh, yeah I hear you. what can I say, it's the Windows games that keep me here :-/
19:21:48 <mapuche> ah
19:21:53 <mapuche> ok
19:22:22 <moneromooo> Also, just replacing the version probably won't be enough, as the block probably doesn't validate using v12 rules.
19:22:27 <moneromooo> But I guess you'll find out.
19:23:02 <mapuche> u told that hardforks.cpp changes are enough
19:23:41 <moneromooo> Off the top of my head, for rules change, yes.
19:23:59 <moneromooo> But here you also want to create a new block for it :)
19:24:48 <mapuche> mainnet_hard_fork_version_1_till  = 0 ;   ?
19:38:56 <mapuche> "0c3c01..."  still version 0
19:49:01 <mapuche> moneromooo what else is left
19:49:57 <moneromooo> I don't know. I don't owe you my time. I gave you a few pointers, but I'm not debugging it for you.
19:53:21 * asymptotically is amazed by moneromooo's patience
19:58:08 <mapuche> ok i do i debug compile
19:58:13 <mapuche> thnx moneromooo
19:58:47 <mapuche> very nice your behaviour
19:59:17 <mapuche> u that give so much all this year to monero still help people
19:59:37 <mapuche> but other people that didnt do 1% of what u did refuse to help
20:02:04 <moneromooo> They also don't owe you their time. And quite frankly this is good litmus test for whether you have a minimum technical capability to start and debug a fork.
20:02:24 <lza_menace[m]> mapuche: will you name for first child after them?
20:04:48 <moneromooo> I mean, this is not particularly hard, though it is a multi step debugging process. There's no crypto involved, which would have required knowledge that's not basic programming. It only requires basic C++ ability and being able to debug code and find things in the source tree. You can do it if you invest the time for it, which, if you are making a fork, you should invest.
20:05:25 <moneromooo> Doing things yourself from the pointers others give you is how you will learn.
20:05:46 <mapuche> "owe your time" is a luther phrase is not for u
20:05:47 <asymptotically> no time for learning! only time for getting rich!
20:06:11 <moneromooo> I have no idea what you said here sorry :)
20:06:22 <mapuche> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther
20:06:39 <moneromooo> Oh, that's somehting he said ? OK. He was right then.
20:08:22 <mapuche> if luther was right open source,monero etc wont exist
20:12:27 <mapuche> and asymptotically wouldnt be here screaming
20:12:34 <asymptotically> lol
21:17:20 <ddrf> Hi guys, just a short question. If you want to mine on monero daemon it is not necessary that you open up any ports, because you just have to publish the block to other nodes? Am i getting that right?
21:18:20 <moneromooo> If you open the port, you'll send your blocks to more peers. Otherwise, you'll send it to just the outgoing peers you have.
21:18:46 <moneromooo> So more peers -> faster diffusion -> less orphan chance. But diminishing returns after a certain amount of connections.
21:21:00 <ddrf> Would you open up the port in your local network?
21:21:58 <ddrf> Im not sure whether its good for security in the network...
21:24:27 <ddrf> Moo Can i have your address for donation pls? Tx for your support!
21:32:56 <moneromooo> It's on my monero-wallet-generator github page, thanks. Or you could donate to the core team wallet too (README.md).
21:33:13 <moneromooo> Opening the port needs doing on your local firewall, and any router/switch that's in the way.
21:33:24 <moneromooo> (along with forwarding to the right IP)
21:34:02 <moneromooo> The attack surface is about hte same (the P2P comms), the only difference is that anyone can connect, not just the ones you randomly select.
21:34:13 <moneromooo> But someone wanting you to connect to them can just wait anyway.
21:39:40 <ddrf> Ok. Thanks!
21:44:21 <ddrf> Sry moo but i cant find it on your github page
21:44:40 <ddrf> are you sure about it ?
21:44:49 <nioc> me neither
21:46:19 <moneromooo> https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/
21:46:29 <moneromooo> I checked, I was not banned :D
21:47:40 <nioc> donation address?
21:47:51 <lza_menace[m]> moneromooo is so oldschool that his forked monero repo is `bitmonero`
21:47:52 <ddrf> yea
21:48:42 <ddrf> it cant be found on your monero-wallet-gen page
21:48:47 <moneromooo> Not so oldschool that I remember BMR though. I'm from the MRO era.
21:48:55 <moneromooo> Hmm. Let me check...
21:49:01 <ddrf> :DDD
21:50:09 <moneromooo> PMing
23:49:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <tiedtoastar> is there anyway to delete my mattermost account?