06:17:46 <rottensox> Revuo Issue 41 - https://revuo-monero.com/issue-41.html
11:22:35 <f8e3> i recently read https://electriccoin.co/blog/halo-recursive-proof-composition-without-a-trusted-setup/
11:24:45 <f8e3> researcing xmr posts/args: 1. trsuted setup: not anymore 2. founders reward: discussed to reduce/abandon 3. privacy by default: inevitable on the longterm; what args are left for xmr jugging around ringct versions (being more pragmatic) with different tradeoffs. fluffy donwstep, zksnark choins emerging
11:24:50 <f8e3> for me its the painting on the wall
11:26:38 <asymptotically> what does fluffy stepping down as maintainer have to do with anything?
11:28:19 <f8e3> DYOR     https://www.coindesk.com/drugs-code-icos-moneros-long-road-blockchain-mainstream
11:28:21 <f8e3>     https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/what_fluffypony_just_did_is_not_ok/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb&_branch_match_id=719988190965487426
11:29:08 <asymptotically> loool, the MEA thing was hilarious
11:29:49 <f8e3> :D tari next
11:30:00 <asymptotically> i'll concede that snipa isn't as cuddly and lovable as fluffy, but i'm sure that snipa is just as capable
11:30:55 <f8e3> i dont know him, not going to convince you, diversification is key
13:30:21 <bajaba> Anyone one has a ledger nano S ledger ?
13:30:55 <bajaba> In the monero app what is change network ?
13:36:23 <selsta> Mainnet / Stagenet / Testnet
13:46:13 <bajaba> What are those ?
13:46:24 <bajaba> What happens if I reset ?
13:46:49 <moneromooo> The monero network and test versions thereof.
13:47:21 <bajaba> Ok, so no nothing dangerous there right ?
13:47:55 <bajaba> I mean, no way I can fuck it up is there ?
13:48:08 <moneromooo> Oh, there are always ways.
13:48:34 <moneromooo> Do you have a reason you might want a test network ?
13:49:17 <moneromooo> Because "changing things just to see if they can be changed" is probably up there with the best of them in the list of "how did I fuck things up".
13:49:26 <selsta> 14:46 <bajaba> What happens if I reset ? <-- If you are talking about the Ledger app, nothing.
13:50:02 <bajaba> That was my question indeed
13:50:34 <bajaba> moneromooo: I don't think I do since It's part of the stuff I don't yet know about
13:51:21 <bajaba> I know pgp, a node, merkle tree, blockchain, wallets but I don't know what is the mainnet
13:52:28 <bajaba> moneromooo: I know that's my curse, I always want to go further down the rabbit hole and then I break thiings
13:52:50 <moneromooo> "mainnet" just means "the main monero network". Because there's a couple test ones.
13:53:02 <bajaba> For example I had a working Monerujo wallet but you know ... I had to run a full node and know how to use a cli wallet
13:53:21 <asymptotically> the stagenet is good if you want to break things. the coins are worthless and you can mine more because the network difficulty is so low :)
13:53:35 <bajaba> Does it mean like another blockchain ?
13:53:40 <moneromooo> Yes.
13:53:50 <bajaba> asymptotically: ok thanks
13:55:08 <bajaba> And of course I created a wallet and transferred my funds to it before I know how to run a node.
13:55:52 <bajaba> So know i have a full blockchain, some wallet files, a ledger device, and I can't see my funds
13:58:59 <moneromooo> Check the refresh-from-height setting. If needs to be <= the height you got your monero.
13:59:06 <moneromooo> Type "set" to see it.
14:03:43 <bajaba> So first thing (than you) where do I put the wallet file ?
14:04:10 <bajaba> because if I put in Moner/wallet the cli can't find it
14:05:26 <bajaba> and if put it in the monero cli file it says :
14:05:37 <moneromooo> Wherever you want. You obviously need to give the path to it if it's not in . though.
14:05:38 <bajaba> Error: Key file not found
14:05:58 <bajaba> How do I do that ?
14:06:32 <moneromooo> Are you familiar with a shell ?
14:06:38 <bajaba> I am
14:06:52 <moneromooo> You are familiar with what a directory is ?
14:07:30 <bajaba> I am
14:07:48 <moneromooo> Then you string directory names with "/" between them and .. means parent directory.
14:08:13 <bajaba> ha of course
14:08:15 <moneromooo> Like if you put your wallet files in a directory called Moner/wallet, then you add "Moner/wallet/".
14:08:35 <moneromooo> ie, monero-wallet-cli --wallet-file Moner/wallet/thenameyouused
14:08:59 <bajaba> Thank you
14:09:11 <bajaba> Sometimes the solution is simple and yet you can't see it
14:09:23 <bajaba> I have done the learning but I need to practice
14:14:53 <bajaba> Does the cli runs monerod or do I have to run it alongside in another terminal ?
14:16:15 <moneromooo> monero-wallet-cli does not run monerod. Run it separately.
14:16:44 <bajaba> What I assumed. Thanks.
14:17:54 <bajaba> It asks if I want to mine. Should I be nice and says yes or my old computer is gonna run slow I will want to cry ?
14:18:51 <asymptotically> i think if you say yes to the prompt, it checks if you are using your computer or not, and only mines in the background
14:19:03 <asymptotically> so hopefully it won't make you cry but you might not earn anything from it
14:19:30 <bajaba> haha great thanks
14:20:12 <bajaba> So I opened my wallet with the cli and I am running the daemon fully synchronized, how do I see my precious funs now ?
14:20:16 <bajaba> funds
14:20:32 <bajaba> It says starting refresh
14:20:51 <bajaba> And Height and then numbers
14:21:22 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Is there a minimum bandwidth requirement for sending a Monero transaction?
14:21:24 <bajaba> It asks me for a password
14:21:37 <bajaba> Why do I need to enter it again ?
14:22:00 <azy> is it the cow asking?
14:22:15 <bajaba> I don't get the joke
14:22:41 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Probably autocorrect for CLI
14:23:36 <bajaba> Why does it says O funds (I want to cry)
14:23:48 <azy> theres a cowsay message that comes up and asks for your password, like a screensaver/lockscreen, i thought you might have been looking at that
14:24:44 <bajaba> azy: thanks
14:25:06 <moneromooo> Did you do the "set" thing I mentioned before ?
14:25:59 <bajaba> Oh here's the cow
14:27:32 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> I should reframe my question above a bit. Is there any reason someone could not connect to the Monero network and send transactions on infrastructure with a 500kb/s maximum bandwidth?
14:27:56 <bajaba> So does that mean I have to go in the other computer (the one that has a HDD and no blockchain), run the gui, find the height thing and then come back to the cli and enter refresh-from-heigh ?
14:29:06 <bajaba> Right I entered my wallet with the cli but it says it out of sync
14:29:07 <moneromooo> xmrhaelan: very unlikely to be a problem.
14:29:41 <moneromooo> You can estimate by taking today's height and subtract 720 per day.
14:30:32 <bajaba> I transferred the funds yesterday
14:30:52 <bajaba> So 1500 should be good ?
14:31:21 <bajaba> Is it normal it asks for password when you refresh ?
14:31:42 <bajaba> What is today's height ?
14:32:20 <azy> moneromooo, what about 10kb/s?
14:33:08 <bajaba> refresh-from-heigh
14:33:12 <bajaba> sorry
14:33:31 <bajaba> Is the default BC location the same for the cli and the gui ?
14:34:18 <moneromooo> That's like 1 kB/s, should be fine. Though the sync you'dneed to have done first will be excuciatingly slow, and maybe timeout-y. Use --block-sync-size 1 (IIRC) in that case.
14:34:59 <moneromooo> bajaba: Try 1990000, that's a safe value for yesterday.
14:35:32 <moneromooo> If it is less than that, it's also good. More than that, and it depends on exact values.
14:36:03 <bajaba> moneromooo: thank you so much
14:37:53 <bajaba> what does mean "output received" after enter password ?
14:38:49 <bajaba> And then suddenly... It worked !!!
14:39:03 <bajaba> moneromooo: Thank you again
15:48:08 <ckrypto[m]> Hello
15:50:42 <fort3hlulz> hi ckrypto[m]
15:53:52 <ckrypto[m]> Is there a good place to sell stuff for monero? I have some old football jeserys and collectable cards.
15:54:43 <asymptotically> ckrypto[m]: there's /r/moneromarkets on reddit
15:54:45 <moneromooo> I believe there's a channel on reddit for this.
15:54:56 <asymptotically> you might have better luck on bitcointalk
15:55:05 <rottensox> r/moneromarket
15:55:08 <rottensox> or something like dat.
15:55:12 <ckrypto[m]> asymptotically: oh cool, thanks
15:55:23 <rottensox> white house or monopoly market.
15:55:26 <rottensox> on dnm.
15:55:34 <asymptotically> whoops yeah rottensox is right. it's /r/moneromarket and not /r/moneromarkets
15:55:46 <rottensox> a buddy of a buddy of a buddy whose cousin has a friend of a friend whose stepfather told me there's xmr-only dnm out there...
15:56:12 <ckrypto[m]> I heard about openbazzar. Is that... reputable?
15:56:20 <moneromooo> white house, is that the name of a dark market ? :D Trolling nicely :D
15:56:53 <rottensox> yes.
15:57:00 <rottensox> openbazaar and bisq are both reputable markets.
15:57:17 <ckrypto[m]> Cool
15:57:39 <ckrypto[m]> Thanks for the info all. 👍
18:54:50 <lza_menace> im dropping an xmr market app soon
18:57:03 <lza_menace> ckrypto: https://xmrauctions.com
18:57:37 <lza_menace> provisioning things right now and will post in the reddit later
19:14:13 <asymptotically> lza_menace: like an eBay?
19:16:18 <lza_menace> yup
21:10:39 <fort3hlulz> Does adding "--tx-proxy" to monerod options force monerod to ONLY send through that tor/i2p proxy?
21:10:48 <fort3hlulz> *to only send local Tx broadcasts
21:12:25 <moneromooo> Hopefully.
21:16:16 <fort3hlulz> That would explain things :)
21:16:26 <fort3hlulz> Helps if you have tor listening :)
21:16:36 <fort3hlulz> Wondered why Tx were getting stuck -- pebcak as usual :D
21:19:19 <hyc> one of the most difficult error codes to eliminate
21:20:39 <fort3hlulz> Whats the best way to purge/retry those Tx?
21:20:45 <fort3hlulz> Seem's they're stuck in never never land
21:20:49 <moneromooo> relay_tx TXID
21:22:11 <fort3hlulz> woot
21:22:12 <fort3hlulz> worked
21:22:20 <fort3hlulz> Saved my ass as usual moneromooo
21:22:25 <fort3hlulz> Keep up the amazing work <3
23:39:57 <bajaba> Hi everyone. I need your help. Why when I try to encrypt with gpg it asks fr recipient ID twice ?
23:40:44 <moneromooo> In case you want to encrypt with two keys. Press enter, it stops on an empty line.
23:48:31 <bajaba> Thanks
23:56:32 <bajaba> Very much