03:18:05 <chovy> hi
03:18:25 <chovy> i'm using exodus and want to add xmr support to btcpayserver, is there a way to create the walletkeyfile?
08:07:56 <mfoolb> are there official android app for monero wallet?
08:21:27 <M5M400> mfoolb: no official ones, but trusted ones. monerujo
08:21:47 <M5M400> oh, wait. the official monero wallet also builds on android now
08:21:55 <M5M400> but I
08:22:04 <M5M400> I'd go with monerujo still
08:22:06 <mfoolb> M5M400: thanks, I'll check that out
08:28:19 <mfoolb> what about privacy when using android official app to link to a monero wallet?
11:01:24 <bajaba> Hi everyone. I have chosen to run a wallet in full node mode on the monero gui. I let it run all night. But now it says network status / disconnected. Is this normal ? And where is the blockchain located by default on linux
11:05:13 <moneromooo> ~/.bitmonero/lmdb
11:05:49 <moneromooo> It could be your daemon corrupted, there's a known bug, rare-ish, which does that unfortunately.
11:06:19 <bajaba> What should be the display ?
11:06:32 <bajaba> Thank you
11:07:18 <moneromooo> I don't understand that question.
11:08:28 <bajaba> I mean what you the network status be ?
11:09:36 <moneromooo> I'm not familiar with the GUI display, but I guess it should not be disconnected :)
11:10:04 <moneromooo> Try quitting GUI and daemon, then run daemon from a terminal, see if it errors out.
11:10:10 <bajaba> shoulOK thanks
11:10:23 <bajaba> Good idea
11:12:17 <bajaba> OK I guess there have an probelm becuase the blockchain is only ten gigB
12:39:42 <bajaba> Hi back ! So I dowloaded the monero cli and lauched monerod
12:40:11 <bajaba> So the blockchain sync starts
12:40:59 <bajaba> But then i get a "Bus error (core dumped)"
12:47:00 <bajaba> Ok, Imma try this first https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/4316/blockchain-synchronization-fails-bus-error/4317
12:59:36 <moneromooo> Then it's that corruption bug I'm afraid. Delete and resync.
15:31:50 <Mochi101> Jeese... I read the first part of the channel message and for a second I thought it was talking about me.
15:32:04 <Mochi101> "PLEASE NOTE: there is a persistent scammer"...
15:32:07 <Mochi101> :D
15:32:30 <moneromooo> Yeah, you're not *that* persistent.
15:32:38 <Mochi101> ;)
17:26:09 <gscoders> Hi, I have a question, if MimbleWimble has this same chance for inflation bug like Monero? or MimbleWimble protocol has more clear and sure prove that there is no coins created from air?
17:26:43 <gscoders> I know Monero and MW uses CT for hide tx amounts
17:59:53 <cassepipe> I am runnning monerod and dowlaoding the blockchain but I get a of error messages
18:00:14 <cassepipe> I am around 60 percent and it slowed down a lot now
18:00:26 <cassepipe> "Peers claimed ..."
18:00:36 <cassepipe> Is this normal ?
18:02:19 <cassepipe> I have downloaded the software today so I doubt I really need an upgrade.
18:05:28 <moneromooo> The claims of higher version are fine. Some people run lying nodes.
18:05:52 <moneromooo> What error messages (if not just those version messages) ?
18:07:59 <cassepipe> Mostly that. I have another king that was also red though not bold red like those.
18:08:49 <cassepipe> I just can't use that pc right now because it so busy with the Blchain that I can't even scroll up the Terminal
18:09:24 <cassepipe> another kind*
18:10:19 <cassepipe> But it did slow down an awful lot.
18:11:20 <cassepipe> Now I get SYNCHRONISATION STARTED
18:11:39 <cassepipe> And then "peers claimed"
18:12:33 <moneromooo> Do you have many peers in the 51.x range ?
18:12:48 <moneromooo> There are lot of liars in there. Also other places but that's the main one IIRC.
18:13:37 <nioc> speaking of those v60 nodes, how long can one ban them for?
18:13:45 <nioc> ban <ip> [<seconds>]
18:13:48 <nioc> for seconds, how large a number can I use?
18:14:09 <moneromooo> Up to lots.
18:14:19 <moneromooo> They're cleared on restart.
18:14:37 <moneromooo> I'd keep it below 2 billion seconds.
18:14:51 <nioc> ok thx
18:15:03 <nioc> I have >50 banned now
18:15:34 <nioc> most from ips starting with 116 and 95
18:16:40 <cassepipe> Yup. Most problems are with some 51.x
18:17:19 <nioc> none of mine start with 51.
18:17:44 <cassepipe> one 85
18:17:55 <cassepipe> and one 195
18:18:18 <cassepipe> sorry I still can't scroll up the terminal
18:18:32 <cassepipe> And... 51 again
18:19:28 <cassepipe> At the rate I am going I'll be finished next year
18:19:56 <cassepipe> Can't I run just half a blockchain ?
18:20:43 <cassepipe> Also, I wonder, does the blockchain grow for ever ?
18:20:46 <nioc> sounds like you have a HDD not an SSD
18:20:58 <cassepipe> nioc: I have
18:21:21 <nioc> SSD is so much faster
18:21:22 <cassepipe> I just thought I could make it with a lot of patience
18:21:44 <nioc> it will get there in a couple of days
18:21:57 <cassepipe> I know, the pc I am on right does have one but it has a slower CPU so I am afraid to do it on this one
18:22:24 <nioc> the big bottle neck is the drive
18:22:29 <cassepipe> Good. A couple of days should be fine.
18:22:56 <cassepipe> Ok, I am going to try on this one. Thank you.
18:22:56 <nioc> SSD takes several hrs on my i3 and SSD
18:23:11 <nioc> and takes days on my i5 and HDD
18:23:29 <cassepipe> I have ... AMD semproon over here
18:23:57 <cassepipe> Good to know I am definitely going to try this. Thank you.
18:24:04 <nioc> yw
18:24:20 <nioc> let us know how it goes :)
18:24:27 <cassepipe> Can I just copy the blockchain then ?
18:24:30 <cassepipe> I will
18:25:27 <nioc> I have no experience moving a blockchain but AFAIUI there is still work that needs to be done such that you don't save time
18:26:11 <cassepipe> Save time ?
18:26:20 <nioc> also what you have now should not take much time on an SSD as it is the fastest to sync
18:26:33 <nioc> no need to copy
18:26:45 <nioc> just sync from the beginning
18:27:35 <nioc> I was assuming you wanted to copy the portion of the BC you already synced
18:28:27 <cassepipe> Ah ok
18:28:48 <cassepipe> Rightly so assuming
18:29:17 <cassepipe> Thanks for your advice good sir
18:29:48 <nioc> p
18:29:51 <nioc> np
18:31:58 <cassepipe> What's the point of runnning lying nodes ?
18:32:29 <cassepipe> Since all the other ones are there to tell they're lying AFAIU
18:34:13 <nioc> yes, those have been running for a couple of months and i certainly don't have the knowledge to speculate why
18:34:54 <moneromooo> Be an asshole. Maybe get some tiny advantage for yourself and feel like a smug cunt. Maybe there's a long term exploit. Maybe just an incompetent forker. Who knows.
18:35:48 <moneromooo> Maybe they're trying to snare all of some particular target's connections to feed them a fake chain.
18:36:04 <cassepipe> Haha hope it's not mine
18:36:07 <moneromooo> Maybe they're spies, but incredibly incompetent ones.
18:36:37 <cassepipe> I don't understand exactly what there is to spy
18:36:42 <moneromooo> Or maybe they have decoy dumb nodes to get all the suspicion, and better hidden spy nodes elsewhere.
18:37:15 <moneromooo> Everything. That's what TLAs do. They suck everything in, just in case. Because fuck people's right to privacy in their own affairs.
18:37:34 <moneromooo> That's what's wrong with the world. It's full of people.
18:38:01 <nioc> need more cows
18:38:03 <moneromooo> In a few million years maybe we'll have all died and rats will take over, and do a better job.
18:38:07 <moneromooo> Maybe.
18:38:43 <cassepipe> What are TLAs ?
18:38:45 <lza_menace> rats?
18:38:57 <moneromooo> Shorthand for government spies.
18:39:09 <nioc> Three Letter Agencies
18:39:10 <lza_menace> I'd have said rabbits
18:39:15 <moneromooo> Not that corporates aren't also at it, just smaller scale.
18:39:19 <cassepipe> of course
18:40:38 <cassepipe> And would they have any chance of succeeding whatever spyey they might be doing ? What benefits ?
18:41:09 <cassepipe> spyey thing*
18:41:24 <selsta> I’ve read that it’s a researcher testing how the network is reacting to bad nodes.
18:41:50 <cassepipe> selsta: Ok so it's a thing
18:41:59 <cassepipe> Unexpected I mean
18:42:22 <cassepipe> There is no communication about that from the monero people ?
18:42:35 <selsta> What do you mean?
18:42:38 <cassepipe> selsta: If you have the source I am interested
18:43:08 <selsta> It was on Reddit a few months ago.
18:43:09 <cassepipe> I mean it's not usual that there a bunch of lying nodes outhere
18:43:31 <cassepipe> Sorry I am new to this
18:43:55 <selsta> The network handles it fine so nothing to worry about.
18:44:01 <cassepipe> Hopefully one more node y'all can trust :-)
18:44:49 <cassepipe> What a relief when you know the strucure is sound thanks to good design
18:47:59 <moneromooo> Well, it could handle it better. I had a few tries, but kind fell flat on my face as it's hard to keep the false positives way down.
18:52:05 <jcpham> hi
18:54:28 <moneromooo> Hi. If you have a question, just ask it, and wait, possibly a while.
18:59:26 <jcpham> fluffypony touched my no no place
18:59:53 <jcpham> long live randomx
19:00:16 <jcpham> Total Hash Rate: (24h) 4.65 KH/s (12h) 4.62 KH/s (1h) 5.20 KH/s (10m) 7.56 KH/s
19:00:20 <jcpham> i am so rich
20:10:28 <cassepipe> nioc: You asked for a follow up about how long it took me to install a full node on SSD and HDD well, here's a first fact : It is already at 63 percent on SSD
20:11:20 <nioc> it will get slower but that's a good start
20:12:16 <cassepipe> nioc: In only one hour and a half, that is inpressive
20:14:26 <cassepipe> I calculated that at the rate it goes on hdd, it is going to take thousand hours
20:15:16 <cassepipe> So I might as well abort it
20:16:28 <moneromooo> You could have copied the chain, it's compatible (unless different endianness).
20:17:14 <cassepipe> All modern computer are what  ? Little endians ?
20:17:51 <moneromooo> Most mainstream computers that bill themselves as computers are little endian.
20:18:05 <cassepipe> Indeed I wanted to know about that. Just copying the chain and starting monerod works ?
20:18:57 <cassepipe> I have an old Imac G5. I wonder if it is big endian. It's from 2007
20:19:22 <moneromooo> Was it Intel already ?
20:20:16 <cassepipe> No PPC
20:20:33 <moneromooo> Then big endian I think.
20:20:34 <cassepipe> I am sorry not 2007
20:20:39 <cassepipe> older
20:21:00 <cassepipe> Ok, all PPC were Big endian ?
20:21:30 <cassepipe> like 2005 or 2004
20:22:22 <moneromooo> I looked it up, power can switch endianness.
20:22:46 <jcpham> i gizoogled it too and disagree
20:27:43 <cassepipe> So I can just copy the blockchain and I'll be fine ?
20:28:59 <cassepipe> Thanks
20:29:17 <Mochi101> I don't think endian is politically correct anymore you guys.
20:29:35 <cassepipe> What about if make only copy the missing files in it ? Is there a way to fuse them ?
20:30:00 <cassepipe> Like only copy the files that are not already there ?
20:30:08 <vtnerd> gscoders : the risks are identical because they both use the same tech
20:51:13 <Mochi101> I guess nobody liked my joke.
20:51:21 <Mochi101> Tough audience.
20:52:15 <lza_menace> * cricket, cricket *
21:00:05 <gscoders> vtnerd : thanks for answer, both now using bulletproofs right?
21:00:27 <cassepipe> Mochi101: I smiled when I read it
21:00:39 <hyc> pretty sure Apple stayed big-endian when transitioning from M68K to PPC
21:01:39 <hyc> don't know of any little-endian PPC OSs. Likewise, ARM can switch, but I haven't seen any big-endian ARM OSs
21:55:40 <vtnerd> the choice for range proofs is is defined by the implementation. however, I think most would be using bulletproofs
21:58:29 <vtnerd> it should be possible to get gentoo arm big endian. but you'd have to cross-compile bootstrap the environment yourself I think
21:59:56 <moneromooo> Borromean proofs should be forbidden by consensus now. If you think they aren't, it's a bug.
22:00:05 <vtnerd> gentoo has a ppl-le stage 3 setup, so it appears down a ppc le is painless (if you consider using gentoo painless)
22:00:33 <vtnerd> gscoders was asking about comparing ringct to mimblewimble in general
22:01:07 <moneromooo> Oh sorry. I missed that.
22:01:10 <vtnerd> so its not easy to answer because mimblemimble isn't really a specifying a particular range proof implementation
22:01:31 <vtnerd> yeah its from way above sorry
22:02:01 <vtnerd> oops -> *ppc-le
22:53:08 <Guest20> =(