00:40:27 <hyc> I've just restarted my public node with pruning enabled
00:40:40 <hyc> presumably that shouldn't hurt anyone using it
01:38:50 <riceandbeans> Would someone have problems if they were using monerod on v0.14.1.2-release ?
01:39:11 <riceandbeans> If so, what is the upgrade procedure to get on 0.15.1?
01:39:44 <selsta> riceandbeans: Yes, you would be on the wrong chain.
01:39:52 <selsta> You simply download the new version and use it.
01:42:21 <riceandbeans> Well, I have to build it.
01:43:17 <selsta> should be ok too
01:44:18 <riceandbeans> I just started playing with it last night and ran monerod from the binary packages and it was catching up on the ledger, which....has taken time.....but it kept complaining about errors near the end
01:44:25 <riceandbeans> So I figured I'd ask
01:50:55 <selsta> What version did you use?
01:51:00 <selsta> Also what errors?
01:54:19 <riceandbeans> 0.14.1.2
01:54:22 <riceandbeans> One sec
01:54:35 <riceandbeans> But also, in moving to 0.15 will I have a new wallet address?
01:55:04 <riceandbeans> 2019-12-20 01:52:40.422 W [162.237.24.165:18080 OUT]  peer claims higher version that we think (12 for 1992669 instead of 11) - we may be forked from the network and a software upgrade may be needed
01:55:11 <riceandbeans> That's been getting frequent
01:55:32 <selsta> yes
01:55:41 <riceandbeans> sadness.
01:55:44 <selsta> wait
01:55:50 <selsta> no, you won’t get a new address
01:56:05 <selsta> you are using outdated software, Monero had a network upgrade
01:56:16 <selsta> the error will go away once you update to v0.15
01:56:28 <riceandbeans> Will I have to start the ledger update from scratch?
01:56:42 <selsta> Ledger update?
01:57:14 <riceandbeans> Isn't that what it's doing?
01:57:24 <riceandbeans> Downloading and validating all the old transactions to be caught up
01:57:33 <selsta> Sorry, I thought you are talking about Ledger hardware wallet
01:57:34 <riceandbeans> Like litecoin or bitcoin
01:57:49 <selsta> 02:56 <riceandbeans> Will I have to start the ledger update from scratch? <-- no
01:58:00 <riceandbeans> Sorry, maybe I phrased it weird
01:58:17 <selsta> just run v0.15 monerod, it will sync with the network again
01:58:20 <riceandbeans> Anyway, answer seems to be no :P it's at 77%
01:58:22 <selsta> you don’t have to sync from scratch
02:03:18 <riceandbeans> I don't remember setting a password last night, but I have a string of words, but it wants a password now
02:04:39 <selsta> Just press enter.
02:05:02 <riceandbeans> Thanks
02:10:02 <riceandbeans> Is it possible to set/change the password later?
02:11:29 <selsta> yep
02:20:20 <riceandbeans> Oh man, new features
02:20:34 <riceandbeans> Now when I'm idle it locks the wallet, asks for the password, and puts a message with cowsay
02:21:00 <selsta> you can change the lock time or disable it :P
02:21:13 <riceandbeans> I like the idea, honestly.
02:21:47 <riceandbeans> I had a lot of idle cloud stuff sitting around, I have them mining casually now, though I think my mining power is probably terrible
02:22:27 <riceandbeans> I have 2.5KH/s
02:24:04 <riceandbeans> I'm might spread it to the rest of my crap and get that to 4x that or so but...yeah....calculators seem to say that won't net much lol
06:37:02 <riceandbeans> Do you guys usually just buy XMR or do you usually mine it?
06:42:16 <syntax[m]> I've settled for buying Bitcoin, then buying Monero through LocalMonero.
06:57:32 <riceandbeans> You trade BTC for XMR?
08:28:57 <syntax[m]> <riceandbeans "You trade BTC for XMR?"> riceandbeans: yep. I have a Coinbase account so just buy BTC when I need (which is rarely because I was once gifted a fair amount), then every month or so I trade for Monero.
08:54:52 <Inge-> syntax[m]: Why not get a Kraken account? then you can buy XMR directly with fiat :P
09:07:12 <nonie> If you do NOT like kyc and centralised exchanges - i can recommend »Bisq«.
09:14:54 <Inge-> well, he was using COinbase
09:28:13 <azy> isn't bisq just other crypto?
09:28:39 <jae> Hey
09:30:30 <asymptotically> azy: some people on bisq accept bank transfers
09:36:49 <azy> i want more cash deposit options
09:38:36 <azy> remember the good old days of cash deposit to er... that japanese place that sold bitcoin
09:39:03 <azy> i'd go down to the bank with str8kash and by the time i got home there were bitcoins waiting for me
09:40:21 <asymptotically> mtgox? <3
09:40:22 <asymptotically> mark did nothing wrong
09:40:37 <azy> it might have been, but i dont think so
09:41:05 <azy> probably was, i cant think of any other name
09:41:20 <azy> btw mark was DPR
10:24:18 <maxwilliamson> what is bisq anyway
10:25:53 <azy> a crypto exchange whos infrastructure and code is closer to bittorrent than a typical exchange
10:26:24 <maxwilliamson> that involves a bank account, right?
10:27:06 <azy> presumably you tell a buyer your bank account details if youre selling crypto for fiat
11:39:07 <nonie> if you dislike the idea of living in a digital dictatorship or some similarly degraded form of society—then the most important contribution you can make is to find ways to prevent too much data from being concentrated in too few hands, and also find ways to keep distributed data processing more efficient than centralized data processing. quote Yuval Noah Havari
11:39:54 <moneromooo> So kick Experian and Cloudflare in the nuts any time you have a chance.
11:39:57 <nonie> So - Bisq helps you with that.
11:40:09 <nonie> Yes.
11:40:17 <nonie> also
15:00:22 <rottensox> nonie: that quote came from a book, blog bost, podcast or?
16:29:55 <syntax[m]> <Inge- "syntax: Why not get a Kraken acc"> I've heard Kraken is good, but if I can help it I don't want to go through the same process of having to send very sensitive info to an exchange (photo of ID etc) just for the privilege of being able to buy Bitcoin. Coinbase has worked fine for me so far. I never leave funds with them (transfer it to Trezor hardware wallet). Until I find an exchange which doesn't require such
16:29:55 <syntax[m]> strict verification, I'll probably stick with Coinbase seeing as they already have all my sensitive info... Always open to suggestions though...
16:31:24 <moneromooo> You don't have to send kyc for coinbase ?
16:31:42 <moneromooo> Oh. Already. nvm.
16:32:05 <moneromooo> Maybe what we need is a list of privacy respecting exchanges on getmonero.org...
16:32:25 <moneromooo> It'll be pissing in the wind, but at least it's a try :)
16:32:30 <moneromooo> (even if the list is empty)
20:02:03 <M7918070_[m]> nonie: How does Bisq handle counterparty risk?
20:03:26 <M7918070_[m]> Bank transfers are reversible, right? So what if you buy crypto for $1000, get it, and then revoke the transfer?
20:03:54 <M7918070_[m]> Or the other way, what if you buy crypto for $1000, then the seller's account gets frozen due to KYC?
20:25:05 <nioc> they have an escrow and as far as I know bank transfers are not reversable
20:37:59 <M7918070_[m]> "they have an escrow" What do you mean?
20:39:55 <M7918070_[m]> Bank transfers are reversible. "Completely non-reversible transactions are not really possible, since financial institutions cannot avoid   mediating   disputes ... With the possibility of reversal, the need for trust spreads.  Merchants must be wary of their customers, hassling them for more information than they would otherwise need."
20:40:30 <M7918070_[m]> LocalBitcoins sellers almost always want KYC, and cash deals are very rare.
20:41:50 <asymptotically> didn't localbitcoins add KYC site-wide?
20:43:48 <nioc> not sure of the details but the escrow is a trusted 3rd party and funds are not released until certain conditions are met
20:44:07 <nioc> yeah local btc is kyc now
20:44:57 <M7918070_[m]> Is this escrow for both buyer and seller then?
20:46:44 <nioc> It's been a while since I checked the details so..... I imagine that you can get the info from the bisq site
20:47:10 <nioc> did they change the name from bisq?
20:52:15 <M7918070_[m]> They solve it by limiting new accounts to 0.01 BTC per trade
20:52:48 <M7918070_[m]> What prevents you from making several 0.01 BTC transactions however I don't know
20:53:10 <M7918070_[m]> If you've made a trade and >30 days have passed, then your account is signed and can trade without as well as sign other accounts.
21:26:20 <nonie> M7918070_[m]: Tradeing in fiat always has a risk. If you trade in cash it could be counterfeilt money. If you trade on a centralised exchange see MtGox or they sell your data.
21:46:35 <asymptotically> nonie: mtgox did nothing wrong
21:59:14 <nonie> It is not so easy to undo a SEPA transaktion. The attacker needs access to an hijacked bank account. <asshole>You could even sue the counter part or victim of the attack- because he is responsible for the security of his computer.</asshole>