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Elon_Sat0shi
no problemo
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Elon_Sat0shi
How well does Monero protect one's privacy without tor?
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as2333
how well does tor protect privacy?
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Febo
Monero makes sure that transactions cant be linked. That is all. While you use Monero you show your IP to network. I dont really know who can see it. But that is all. They cant link transactions with it. To hide IP, using TOR is probably helpful.
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Elon_Sat0shi
ah
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Elon_Sat0shi
When I make a transaction with monero, what is known about my transaction?
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louipc
nothing
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bigslim[m]
somehow I managed to not update my monero gui snce 14.1 release
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bigslim[m]
that 15.2 is interesting. USD price does not work though when enabled on OSX
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bigslim[m]
and coingeko
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selsta
bigslim[m]: What does not work exactly?
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wuzhe
hello, community! i want to build a monero randomX mining pool service but i dont have a lot of hash, where should i start?
github.com/jtgrassie/monero-pool?
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wuzhe
Or, can i start a proxy service link between worker and pool exists, and statistic the contribute for every worker? i need some experience, thanks
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moneromooo
Does anyone have a non working rpc payment setup here ? IIRC someone reported it wasn't working. I've just tried to repro here, and it's working fine. If anyone has a non working one and is willing to run with, and share, logs, please let me know.
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moneromooo
Note that with randomx, there's a definite temporary hang while it inits the data set, so rpc_payments in the wallet will hang till that's finished, and it can take like a minute.
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moneromooo
That's something I might be able to fix by settings atomic flags in the general area so I don;t have to lock...
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moneromooo
gingeropolous: that might have been you ? You seem the type to try it :)
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Copenhagen_Bram
hello
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q9fmc
hi
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Copenhagen_Bram
If I'm running Monero on a Tails persistant volume that's only 8gb, should I run a pruned node or connect to a remote node?
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moneromooo
The pruned node will be about 25 GB, so too large.
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Copenhagen_Bram
oh kay
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moneromooo
You can run the daemon on a separate non TAILS machine, since it has no access to your keys. Then connect to that.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Okay. But that kills Tor's anonymity unless others are also connecting to your node
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moneromooo
If your node is on your home connection, then yes.
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moneromooo
Depends what you want to guard against really.
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moneromooo
What do you want to guard against ? :)
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Copenhagen_Bram
What kind of threat can a remote node pose even if you're connecting to it via tor?
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moneromooo
They can DoS you. They can send you blocks which are not on the chain. If they know your address (or know your address is within a set of possible ones), they can fake payments do you.
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moneromooo
The attack surface is larger (all the RPC).
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Copenhagen_Bram
ah
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moneromooo
Not running your own node means the network is less strong than it'd otherwise be.
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moneromooo
What is something you can't live with here:
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moneromooo
- run a monerod hidden service from your home connection
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moneromooo
- connect to it with TAILS from wherever you are (possibly your home connection too)
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moneromooo
I guess your ISP could perform traffic analysis to know it's you since they see both in and out and Tor is realtime.
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moneromooo
I think that's pretty much it.
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moneromooo
But if you connect from home, you can connect to monerod via localhost anyway.
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moneromooo
So if you connect from outside, there's not much I see that's leaking (but then that's from a first approiximation, please list what you can think of).
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Copenhagen_Bram
A hidden service node? Hmm, that might prevent someone from seeing the IP of your node
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moneromooo
I'm not even sure the ISP can tell you're running monero. Maybe by statistical analysis of packet sizes and access timing.
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moneromooo
Define "seeing the IP of your node", because it's the canonical thing bandied by people with a clue who've heard of IP addresses before.
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moneromooo
without a clue.
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moneromooo
Do you mean "my ISP will know the subscriber at this IP address is running a monero node" ? Other ?
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moneromooo
If the former, it won't know unless it performs that kind of statistical analysis I think. I don't know how involved it'd need to be.
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moneromooo
I expect that with enough time and enough variation in tx volume/block size, it might be fairly easy if the tor node isn't used for somehting else...
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Copenhagen_Bram
I mean if my node isn't a hidden service, it will have an address, be it a domain name or an IP, and exit nodes can see connections to it
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moneromooo
Though vtnerd added some noise feature for this.
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moneromooo
Ah. An exit node would be able to see someone connecting to a monerod daemon, yes.
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Copenhagen_Bram
And I don't know how hidden services work exactly so I'm not sure if someone sees connections to hidden services
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moneromooo
They don't go through exit nodes, but rendezvous nodes, the connection is not plaintext at the handoff.
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moneromooo
I don't know the details either.
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moneromooo
But an exit node can get a list of monerod nodes around by running monerod itself. It'll get a list much faster too.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Is there a remote node address that redirects to a random remote node?
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moneromooo
If you don't want anyone to know there is a monerod node running on your IP (ie, you're in a country where using a cryptocurrency is a crime), then you'd need a hidden service. Though running tor would likely also be illegal I'd guess.
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moneromooo
Yes. I won't help you with that though.
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moneromooo
Oh, I forgot: thre's also a proxy-through mode for monerod, where it doesn't download the chain and auto uses another public RPC daemon, the list of which can get fetched via P2P.
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moneromooo
So if you need to use a stranger's daemon despite the possible drawbacks, that's the best way to do it.
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Copenhagen_Bram
You mean the client can pick a random public daemon in a p2p way?
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moneromooo
Yes.
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moneromooo
You use "--bootstrap-daemon address" IIRC, and address can now be "auto". Plus --no-sync.
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Copenhagen_Bram
Huh
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Copenhagen_Bram
I don't see a --no-sync option in monero-wallet-cli --help
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asymptotically
it's an option for monerod
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Copenhagen_Bram
Oh
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Copenhagen_Bram
What does --no-sync have to do with --boostrap-daemon auto?
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Copenhagen_Bram
What does --no-sync have to do with --boostrap-daemon-address auto?
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asymptotically
mooo mentioned it above. you can use the bootstrap feature to connect to a random public node
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asymptotically
so your wallet connects to the "--no-sync --bootstrap-daemon auto"'d local daemon, which connects to a public daemon for you
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Copenhagen_Bram
Oh okay
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Copenhagen_Bram
Maybe I want to run --public-node on my node and run my wallet with --bootstrap-daemon-address auto
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Copenhagen_Bram
Can a remote node see what addresses I have?
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moneromooo
As in monero addresses ? No.
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Copenhagen_Bram
oh neat
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bigslim[m]
@selesta when you select the coin conversion it does not show any conversions anywhere that I could find
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Copenhagen_Bram
For some reason, my monero syncing has halted
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nioc
turn it off and on again
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Copenhagen_Bram
I think I've tried that
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Copenhagen_Bram
I'm trying it again, but I noticed that I keep getting this error:
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Copenhagen_Bram
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moneromooo
You got bitten by the corruption bug. The only known fix is... delete db and resunc :(
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moneromooo
Are you using a pruned db ? Are you using --block-notify or --tx-notify ? What version of libunbound is monerod using ?
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hyc
wish we could reproduce whatever's causing that
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Mochi101
How can I resunc my db moneromooo ?
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Mochi101
;)
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moneromooo
delute it and run monerod agaun.
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Mochi101
:D
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Copenhagen_Bram
nope i'm not pruning my db
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Copenhagen_Bram
that's the only fix?
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hyc
pretty much. you might try starting up with --db-salvage and see if it gets pastthat error
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hyc
but it seems unlikely. the damage usually is in a block too far in the past for -slavage to bypass it
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Copenhagen_Bram
there i did the delet on the blockchain
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Copenhagen_Bram
now we're back to 0%
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Copenhagen_Bram
is there anything i can do to avoid this dreaded corruption?
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Copenhagen_Bram
it might have something to do with my terrible internet connection
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gingeropolous
moneromooo, i got rpc payments to work. some dude on reddit is having trouble with it
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gingeropolous
hyc, what would we need to capture that bug properly?
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gingeropolous
i.e., if we had n machines, all set to just sync on loop, with the hopes of hitting the bug
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gingeropolous
just your standard gdb on a debug build?
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hyc
yes
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hyc
with the debug patches I gave you
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gingeropolous
ok
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gingeropolous
u think it would manifest in a VM? or should I attempt full metal
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hyc
I really have no idea what env conditions it needs
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gingeropolous
hrm
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hyc
you're the one who had it happen once - what was that running?
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gingeropolous
full metal on ubuntu 18 with a spinny
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hyc
so Iguess, keep trying that
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gingeropolous
does it only happen on IBD or does it happen at steady state?
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gingeropolous
i forget where my machine was. the case above seems like IBD
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qiwiss
hey, does the official node use TCP or UDP for p2p?
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hyc
everything is TCP
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qiwiss
thanks
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qiwiss
i need to change my p2p port. tried --p2p-bind-port, but it either seems to have no effect
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qiwiss
or it doesnt show in the following message
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qiwiss
using 0.15.0.1, tested it on debian an windows
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moneromooo
What message ?
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qiwiss
Binding on 127.0.0.1 (IPv4):18081
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moneromooo
That's the RPC socket, no ?
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moneromooo
Use netstat to see what it's listening on.
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qiwiss
nah, its not rpc. I am currently running windows and will check if it's just the message that doesn't update, but that would be very strange
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moneromooo
Did you use -p2p-bind-port 18081 ?
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moneromooo
I tried here, and I don't get such a message for P2P. You claim it's not RPC. How sure are you of that claim ?
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qiwiss
Core initialized OK
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qiwiss
Initializing p2p server...
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qiwiss
p2p server initialized OK
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qiwiss
Initializing core RPC server...
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qiwiss
Binding on 127.0.0.1 (IPv4):18081
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qiwiss
Generating SSL certificate
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qiwiss
core RPC server initialized OK on port: 18081
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qiwiss
Starting core RPC server...
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qiwiss
core RPC server started ok
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qiwiss
Starting p2p net loop...
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qiwiss
there are different messages for rpc and p2p
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qiwiss
i tried "--p2p-bind-port 10000"
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moneromooo
Re-read your logs.
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qiwiss
ia m using the cli, the logs are the outout in the terminal i just posted
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moneromooo
The logs you posted show the RPC port in both cases.
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qiwiss
ah! damn, I don't know how I got that wrong... thanks
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nonie
open cmd and try netstat -a -n -o
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nonie
should show something like 0.0.0.0:10000 PID
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qiwiss
yeah, just looked into it and everything works fine. sorry, for some reason I totally got that cli output wrong...
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qiwiss
thanks
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coppa
what would be the official link for the randomx release ? it is to reference the update of the mining algo in the wikipedia page
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asymptotically
as a source of it using randomx? or just a page for randomx
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asymptotically
you could link to the v0.15.0.0 release announcement, or to the github repository of randomx
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coppa
okay thx
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asymptotically
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coppa
ah great perfect
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Guest_63
Hello: monerod_1 | 2019-12-14 22:09:15.971 W [IP:PORT INC] peer claims higher version that we think (12 for 474305 instead of 11) - we may be forked from the network and a software upgrade may be needed --- Do I need to upgrade and how is the best practice do upgrade ?
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coppa
cant update the english one though (say semi protected)
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coppa
ah ok, will create wikipedia account
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moneromooo
You need to upgrade. Exit monerod (it should have told you there is a new version around with a link), download that version, check it's the correct one (it'll have told you the expected hash), unpack the archive, run the new monerod binary, wait.
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moneromooo
Every 12 hours, it checks for an update, cyan text.
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Guest_63
Thanks!
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Guest_63
Does the monero-rpc also needs and update ?
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moneromooo
Yes, it's also included in the tarball monerod will point you to.
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moneromooo
It should be 0.15.0.1. See "version" in monerod, or monerod --version.
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moneromooo
After upgrading, you'll likely those messages again with version 60, or 13. These are broken nodes, the current version is 12.
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Guest_63
Good to know, thanks! :)
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coppa
argh (is at least four days old and has made at least ten edits to Wikipedia)
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coppa
did only in my language sorry guys
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assratatouille[m
dont know if this is the right channel to ask this stuff, but is there a way for me to pay a bill smaller than 0.001 btc? xmr.to wont allow me
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moneromooo
Make a bitcoin wallet, send 0.01 or whatever xmr.to allows to that wallet, send 0.001 btc to whoever, keep the bitcoin wallet and the remainder for next bill.
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moneromooo
Or complain to the recipient for not asking for monero :P
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assratatouille[m
guess ill just have to pay for two months instead of one on my next pool payout
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assratatouille[m
cause i dont have enough rn
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coppa
was thinking, after bulletproof and the small fees, there could be an opportunity for stripe integration no ?
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q9fmc
no
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ndorf
it's really a shame that mullvad still doesn't accept monero payments
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btgjoseph
fluffypony: hey, are you there?