03:08:37 <Xip> How's it going?
03:09:58 <Xip> Anyone here?
03:10:16 <Xip> Well you're welcome.
03:10:36 <louipc> yep thanks
03:10:51 <Xip> louipc, hey
03:11:01 <Xip> louipc, you know me right?
03:11:27 <Xip> louipc, Fuck bro, you know me
03:11:57 <Xip> louipc, It's me Xip, remember?
03:12:30 <Xip> No one seems to be around here anymore
03:12:49 <louipc> dunno my memory's shot i guess
03:13:00 <Xip> louipc, ok no maybe I was mistaken
03:13:16 <Xip> louipc, Wolong?
03:13:24 <Xip> louipc, Back in the day you were in that cult?
03:13:36 <Xip> louipc, That's where I know you from?
03:13:39 <louipc> nope must be someone else
03:13:46 <Xip> louipc, Louie
03:13:59 <louipc> i never knew wolong. woulda been cool tho
03:14:19 <Xip> louipc, You were in the Wolong cult and you had this irc server yourself
03:14:35 <Xip> louipc, What was it called again?
03:15:00 <Xip> louipc, Don't fuck with me louipc or have I lost my mind?
03:15:11 <Xip> Anyway, I gotta go
03:15:18 <louipc> there might be one in tht cult but it wasnt me
03:15:30 <louipc> coincidence i guess
03:15:34 <Xip> louipc, It's not
03:15:38 <Xip> louipc, I know you
03:15:53 <Xip> louipc, I can help you man
03:16:09 <Xip> louipc, How did it turn out for the rest?
03:16:18 <Xip> louipc, Whitecoin?
03:16:26 <louipc> lol no idea
03:16:30 <Xip> louipc, ok
03:16:38 <Xip> louipc, You have no idea what I'm talking about?
03:16:43 <louipc> nop
03:16:54 <Xip> louipc, How's plex Usenet downloader working out for ya
03:17:02 <Xip> louipc, I know ya bro
03:17:08 <louipc> never touched it
03:17:10 <Xip> louipc, ok
03:17:46 <Xip> louipc, It's me man, Xip
03:18:00 <Xip> louipc, Remember?
03:18:10 <louipc> you mighta lost your mind
03:18:13 <Xip> louipc, Remember who Fontas was?
03:18:24 <Xip> louipc, Fontas?
03:18:51 <Xip> louipc, Why do you do that?
03:19:05 <louipc> what
03:19:09 <Xip> louipc, OK
03:19:19 <Xip> louipc, Someone scared you?
03:19:33 <louipc> lol no
03:19:59 <Xip> louipc, You're not the same person, the real one I think was called louiepc, you're a joke
03:20:09 <Xip> louipc, You're a scammer
03:20:31 <louipc> hehehh
03:20:40 <Xip> louipc, Hehehe?
03:20:47 <Xip> louipc, Exactly
03:21:21 <Xip> louipc, Better go Matrix, we should all have keys
03:21:35 <Xip> This entire protocol is a joke
03:21:51 <louipc> matrix is a scam dude. they have central control
03:22:11 <Xip> louipc, central control at Matrix? You don't even apparently know what Usenet is
03:22:29 <louipc> usenet is central control too
03:22:35 <Xip> louipc, Of course it is
03:22:45 <Xip> louipc, But you are not the real louie
03:23:33 <louipc> louie who
03:23:49 <Xip> louipc, Am I completely mistaken?
03:23:53 <louipc> yes
03:23:58 <Xip> louipc, "yes"
03:24:04 <Xip> louipc, Why do you write like a robot?
03:24:24 <Xip> louipc, So you don't know me?
03:24:26 <louipc> negative
03:24:35 <Xip> louipc, You are not an early adopter of Bitcoin?
03:24:57 <Xip> louipc, And you don't remember anything what I've been talking about?
03:25:35 <Xip> louipc, For fuck sake man, we used to know each other
03:26:00 <louipc> iduno maybe some govt agency wipe my memory
03:26:06 <louipc> or aliens
03:26:06 <Xip> lol
03:26:17 <Xip> OK
03:26:26 <Xip> What are you doing hanging around at Monero?
03:26:32 <Xip> Think it will save you?
03:26:37 <Xip> You know Grin's the real deal
03:26:44 <louipc> moneros cool
03:26:45 <nioc> it already has saved me
03:26:55 <louipc> i have no idea about grin
03:27:03 <louipc> i dont dispute it
03:27:22 <Xip> You believe what they write "in the papers" that it's "all crazy". Look.
03:27:25 <Xip> Here's the simple fact.
03:27:27 <Xip> Ignotus is Satoshi
03:28:24 <louipc> the papers are junk
03:28:28 <Xip> "Everyone knows that"
03:28:33 <nioc> think someone has been drinking or taking some other type of drug
03:29:00 <louipc> i been drinking ovaltine
03:30:10 <Xip> Never tried it, will check it out, but I'm on diet right now. It's cocaine and alcohol mostly.
03:30:53 <Xip> Been trying to quit coke but I can't fucking do it, but this is not the chat for that I guess.
03:31:27 <louipc> ovaltine its like codeine but much milder
03:33:11 <Xip> louiepc: Ehm, what. There's no codeine in that product, what are you talking about? And either way, what a weird product it would be.
03:33:35 <louipc> tru
03:34:04 <Xip> louiepc: Are you for real?
03:34:11 <Xip> louiepc: I can help you, you know me
03:34:59 <louipc> but how
03:35:44 <Xip> louipc, You seem off, did you or did you not run your own IRC server after the catastrophe?
03:36:04 <Xip> louipc, If so, I will personally donate you 10 BTC right now
03:36:50 <Xip> louipc, PM Me
03:37:16 <Xip> And for the rest of you, trying to 0-day me because of this, fuck off.
03:37:30 <Xip> I only come here once a year.
03:38:42 <Xip> And Merry Christmas Everyone. Grin is Win.
04:03:50 <HW73> Hi everyone
04:05:06 <HW73> Hey, I have a question. Is it allowed?
04:05:30 <gingeropolous> yes, please ask :)
04:06:02 <HW73> What would it take for Monero to be able to work flawlessly if the whole global population was sending 1 transaction per day?
04:07:23 <gingeropolous> a lot of people running nodes would need big hard drives and good internet connections
04:08:06 <HW73> Ok, so does the whole monero chain get sent with every transaction?
04:08:24 <gingeropolous> no, just the transaction.
04:08:47 <HW73> So how is it verified in the network?
04:09:05 <HW73> Sorry I'm new, I'm really keen on learning
04:09:29 <gingeropolous> which is currently 2 kb. so , with a global pop of 7 billion, thats about 14000 gigabytes a day
04:09:44 <gingeropolous> we'd need some really big hard drives :)
04:09:50 <HW73> Haha
04:10:05 <HW73> So every node would have to have at least 14000 harddrives?
04:10:13 <HW73> gb*
04:10:19 <gingeropolous> at that level, if the world is really using monero, there would hopefully be a better second layer scaling solution
04:10:42 <gingeropolous> me buying a cup of coffee doesn't have to be on a blockchain, forever.
04:11:36 <gingeropolous> HW73, naw, if everything stayed the way it was, people would need racks of multi-tb hard drives
04:12:15 <HW73> I'm just very curious. I've been buying and playing with crypto since 2013 and I'm finally writing my thesis. I've decided to write it on the blockchain. I'm considering writing it about scalability and possible solutions
04:12:27 <gingeropolous> cool
04:13:48 <HW73> How would a second layer scaling solution work with Monero?
04:13:52 <gingeropolous> well, actually, with monero's current scaling tech, node operators would only need 14/8 TB a day
04:13:58 <HW73> Similar to the lightning network?
04:14:10 <gingeropolous> so a little less than 2 TB, which is crazily doable
04:14:22 <gingeropolous> yeah, like lightning network
04:14:40 <gingeropolous> sidechains are also a solution
04:16:50 <gingeropolous> and hash-for-service could also be a solution, depending on how that develops
04:16:55 <HW73> Do you know how many nodes there would have to be in order for the network to run with no hiccups?
04:17:28 <gingeropolous> technically 2 :) thats a difficult question
04:17:39 <gingeropolous> and also technically infinite
04:17:44 <HW73> I want to figure it out
04:17:59 <gingeropolous> well what do you mean by hiccups?
04:18:19 <HW73> I mean, for the network to run smoothly
04:18:37 <HW73> be able to handle the global population 1 transaction per day
04:19:01 <gingeropolous> hrm... well, the network size has little to do with the transactional capacity of the network
04:19:26 <manifest> bandwidth created by the transactions 1/person/day moving, how much bandwidth would that roughly take up then
04:19:55 <manifest> how much would you expect a node to have bandwidth, etc etc
04:20:30 <gingeropolous> i dunno. not all nodes need to see transactions to get into a block, but all nodes need to see the blocks that get produced
04:20:43 <manifest> tru
04:20:48 <manifest> is not a simple thing to calculate
04:20:52 <gingeropolous> well, semantically they do see the transactions after they get in a block
04:21:49 <gingeropolous> i mean if we're at 14 billion kb a day, ... and there are 24 hours, 1 hour has 30 blocks, so...
04:23:07 <gingeropolous> those are 19 GB blocks every 2 minutes
04:23:21 <manifest> nice
04:23:27 <gingeropolous> i can't download 19 GB in 2 minutes
04:23:43 <gingeropolous> but, with fluffyblocks, you don't actually have to
04:24:03 <gingeropolous> well... i guess it ends up being the same
04:24:45 <gingeropolous> so at that scale i guess you hit bandwidth limits, which really doesn't have anything to do with the number of nodes
04:24:52 <gingeropolous> it has to do with the underlying internet infrastructure
04:25:15 <gingeropolous> monero is designed to effectively reach an equilibrium imposed by the underlying infrastructure
04:27:00 <HW73> Ok, I didn't understand a lot of that. But it does sound a lot more complicated than I had anticipated. Do you know another coin that might be easier to work out?
04:27:38 <manifest> all transactions and handling gets hard as hell especially with billions of users
04:29:06 <HW73> is it possible to do with math?
04:29:20 <HW73> I want to simulate a blockchain
04:29:55 <HW73> I'm off now, night everyone
06:36:51 <kayront> is there active research happening at all for second layer solutions?
06:37:03 <kayront> also, and unrelated, any idea what happened to the BTCPayServer integration?
06:55:39 <Inge-> I thought integration was done?
06:57:21 <Inge-> Tari sounded like a second layer solution,  but it seems to be on the side, merge mined.
06:58:14 <Inge-> And atomic swaps would require some refund possibilities and htlc support if I understand correctly.
07:00:49 <kayront> i drool for the day when I can swap XMR/DAI without third parties
07:01:01 <kayront> the ultimate defihodler toolkit
07:03:36 <louipc> what about bisq
07:05:33 <kayront> better, but in this particular use case it would be pretty cumbersome to use
07:11:28 <Inge-> On that note - please donate to ongoing work to improve the protocol - https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/surae-q4-funding-2019.html
08:06:16 <kayront> http://27blltx6kt26k65umbs2tme6rhv4i7rhagnzzljp3bsoqfkj6w364sqd.onion/an-invitation-to-the-dark-side.html
08:12:40 <rottensox> kayront: the btcpayserver integration seems stalled for god knows what.
08:12:46 <rottensox> s/what/why
08:25:01 <kayront> that's a shame
13:14:47 <azy> kayront_, would you know why your website displays 'error' symbols (instead of icons presumably) for me?
13:18:01 <nonie> Tipp for all mining on PC at work or home. Start it with "$ nice -n 19 ./xmrrig". You won't notice that something is running in the background.
13:18:09 <nonie> on linux that is.
13:20:27 <nonie> You can set it from -19 = "not so nice" to 19 = "very nice", 0 = normal.
13:22:03 <nonie> I guess you could do the same thing to monerod for solo mining.
13:25:48 <`Didrole> xmrig has a priority settings that basically does the nice call for you.
13:28:13 <azy> kayront_, i feel like your blog has an aura about it, the atmosphere when doing some underground reading is quite fun
13:28:50 <nonie> `Didrole: That didn't work to good for me. htop still showed 0
13:29:40 <`Didrole> iirc it only applies to the miner threads, not to the whole process.
13:31:34 <nonie> -cpu-priority            set process priority (0 idle, 2 normal to 5 highest)
13:31:51 <nonie> is this the command?
13:32:37 <`Didrole> I guess so
13:32:39 <sech1> yes "--cpu-priority" cmdline switch for XMRig
13:32:46 <sech1> or "priority" in config.json
13:32:48 <`Didrole> I use the "priority" field in the configuration file
13:34:30 <nonie> but it still feels like an angry little nazi process, skipping line @ the process scheduler.
14:38:03 <superkuh> Whew boy. Updating from 0.12 to 0.15, 4 database version conversions, then on spinning rust, 5% of the blockchain per 10 hour overnight. Gonna be a while.
15:38:56 <Gimcrack> .price
15:54:07 <nonie> !help
15:54:46 <nonie> !torrent
15:54:46 <qoopbot> nonie: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:2fa0ac731b9e483c2534a9fcf1e3312f39dd7a76&dn=monero-all-v0.15.0.1&tr=http0x0p+00.0000000.000000tracker.opentrackr.org0x0p+013370.000000announce
16:37:36 <fort3hlulz> dEBRUYNE do you have that quote on the FATFs regulations on Monero handy?
16:44:18 <fort3hlulz> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/c62cmp/a_twitter_thread_on_the_recent_fatf/es5nn5f?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
16:44:27 <fort3hlulz> Used that, but if you have a better version handy would love to save it!
17:34:45 <mfed3[m]> Hey guys not sure if any of you are interested in or use any DeFi stuff that is on Ethereum blockchain
17:36:15 <mfed3[m]> There is a whole market place of apps that work with metamask and coinbase wallet where you can lend ETH or stable coin tokens and earn interest
17:36:44 <kawliga[m]> Is there a reliable method for buying Monero with Paypal?
17:37:58 <mfed3[m]> They are smart contract based and are very low risk because people are backing their bets with collateral, if their position ever drops below a certain collateral percentage the collateral is liquidated and they pay a fee
17:38:52 <mfed3[m]> My question is does anything like this exist for Monero? Or could it be technically possible to do something similar with smart contracts? Thanks !
17:43:56 <kinghat> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Librem-5-USA-Model
17:53:28 <kinghat> https://reason.com/2019/12/05/devin-nunes-secret-surveillance/
18:27:25 <michelle[m]> <kinghat "https://reason.com/2019/12/05/de"> karma
18:30:18 <kaled> for new fork that is premined how to surpass base_reward < money_in_use
18:30:28 <kaled> premine is not smth negative
18:30:34 <kaled> depends how u use it!
18:31:06 <moneromooo> I agree.
18:32:06 <moneromooo> It should be used to support development of the fork, like what you are doing now trying to work it out. Good luck.
18:33:12 <kaled> im not trying smth for free dont worry
18:34:11 <kaled> just why if on genesis is more than 100k i have that error
18:34:18 <asymptotically> if you can't figure it out for yourself, you probably shouldn't be doing it. not wise to release software dealing with other people's money when you don't understand every part of it
18:34:52 <kaled> is the only part that i dont
18:35:03 <kaled> thats why i ask
18:36:55 <dEBRUYNE> fort3hlulz: I guess you could also link to pony's tweet (will dig it up in a bit)
18:37:42 <kaled> is better to mine few block and insert "if coins generated = 0  reward smth"
18:39:14 <kaled> moneromooo development is no need for one line of code
18:39:37 <kaled> for all other code im ok
18:41:26 <moneromooo> Alright. AFAICT yo're trying to stuff the block reward and the consensus rules slap you back out for trying to cheat.
18:41:43 <moneromooo> So you got to alter the consensus rules to allow this.
18:41:48 <]BFG[> if dash = 1$ goto buy masternode
18:43:29 <kaled> consensus rules ?
18:44:26 <kaled> which because premine of some 00000 code gives to me
18:44:59 <kaled> just this "consensus rules" stop me at 100k or 10m i htink
18:45:52 <moneromooo> Consensus rules are the rules every participant in the network must follow for any alteration of the blockchain. Like don't pay yourself more than expected in the coinbase tx. And plenty of other things.
18:46:22 <kaled> yes but why i can premine 100k or 10m max
18:46:24 <kaled> why
18:46:33 <kaled> why not more
18:47:01 <moneromooo> Presumably because you just hit the limit allowed by consensus.
18:47:22 <kaled> whereis this limit
18:48:05 <moneromooo> Calculated in get_block_reward.
18:49:24 <kaled> a lot of get_block_reward
18:49:51 <kaled> if i change i'll have problems in future block
18:50:04 <moneromooo> If you change it wrong, yes.
18:51:24 <kaled> is on cryptonote_basic_impl.h
18:54:56 <kaled> i must change get_block_reward for block 0 only ok?
18:56:08 <moneromooo> Sure, sounds like what you want.
18:57:09 <kaled> so i need to do smth if block = 0 change get_block_reward
18:58:06 <kaled> on cryptonote_basic_impl.cpp or blockchain.cpp
19:27:05 <nonie> Ok - so the setProcessPriority method is not implemented but the setThreadPriority method is. But a thread doesn't fight with another process(e.G. firefox) for resources, does it?
19:27:22 <nonie> Ok - so the setProcessPriority method is not implemented but the setThreadPriority method is. But a thread doesn't fight with another process(e.G. firefox) for resources, does it?
19:28:21 <nonie> test
19:28:24 <nonie>  Ok - so the setProcessPriority method is not implemented but the setThreadPriority method is. But a thread doesn't fight with another process(e.G. firefox) for resources, does it?
19:31:55 <nonie> So this command line option "--cpu-priority" is useless.
19:32:46 <sech1> it's not useless, check actual mining threads priorities using Process Explorer
19:53:49 <nonie> ok. thx for the tipp
19:54:58 <nonie> advice.
20:31:03 <nonie> This is what ps -T -p <pid> returns. https://pastebin.com/u0Qp7t58
20:37:13 <nonie> I get the same PRI and NI result for starting with 0 and 5.
20:39:08 <nonie> When i start it with nice -n 19 i get this https://pastebin.com/6LRt1huq
20:40:16 <nonie> Mayne it works on windows.
23:45:10 <kiwi_36> hi guys, im currently stuck in setting up my 15.0.1 monerod... could need some help. I thought that you can just use the --public-node argument to set up a public node correctly. If im doing so ,im getting the following exception:Exception in main! restricted RPC mode is required. Do i need more arguments? I tried several things, but nothing worked
23:45:10 <kiwi_36> :(
23:45:59 <moneromooo> Did you use --restricted-rpc ?
23:47:18 <kiwi_36> yea tried it... But then the daemon is saying the following: --public-node is enabled, but RPC server mylocalipaddress:18081 may be unreachable from outside, please check RPC server bind address
23:47:55 <kiwi_36> with 14.x.x.x my forwarding setup worked properly...
23:48:25 <moneromooo> Did you use --p2p-bind-ip N, with N being either 0.0.0.0 or your assigned internal IP address ?
23:48:59 <kiwi_36> nope... Maybe i should try that.
23:49:59 <moneromooo> You should.
23:50:12 <moneromooo> Otherwise monerod only listens to local connections by default.
23:53:24 <kiwi_36> ./monerod --detach --data-dir /home/node/xmr/ --public-node  --rpc-payment-address xmraddress --rpc-payment-difficulty 1000  --rpc-payment-credits 100  --restricted-rpc  --rpc-bind-ip mylocalip --rpc-bind-port 18081 --p2p-bind-ip my localipaddress
23:53:32 <kiwi_36> tried it, didnt work
23:53:51 <kiwi_36> still same exception
23:54:08 <manifest> did you try 0.0.0.0 on rpc-bind-ip
23:54:25 <kiwi_36> one second
23:54:54 <moneromooo> Oh I'm sorry, manifest is right :)
23:55:44 <manifest> poop happens, and im just throwing ideas here :p
23:56:16 <kiwi_36> you ve been right manifest :)  So far no error. But have to recheck some things.
23:56:58 <kiwi_36> No problem moo :D
23:58:59 <kiwi_36> Does monerujo already support the new remote rpc mining mode?