08:19:15 <who> hello
08:19:25 <who> i am testing monero for the first time
08:21:46 <who> i received 1 monero, generated new address with "address new 2" and then "transfer <address> 0.5". "show_transfers" is showing only the outgoing transaction but no incoming. all funds are still locked. its been like this for an hour at least.
08:22:00 <who> is this normal?
08:23:04 <who> more than 30 blocks have passed since, checked with "bc_height"
08:24:38 <sech1> Can you find your transaction ID on a block explorer, for example xmrchain.net?
08:24:58 <sech1> I mean transaction hash
08:25:06 <who> give me a second, haven't tried yet.
08:26:15 <who> nope, good catch!
08:26:44 <who> wallet seems to by syncing (bc_height increasing) but the transaction id is not on xmrchain.net
08:27:03 <who> thanks for the heads up, i'll go investigate further
08:27:30 <who> s/transaction id/transaction hash/ :)
08:28:47 <sech1> Are you running the latest release (v0.15)?
08:29:31 <who> sech1, i am running the latest release 0.15.1 and the node is 0.15.1 also
08:29:55 <who> however, 1 minute ago i have received another 0.1 xmr from somebody (for testing purposes) and these are visible.
08:30:03 <sech1> Maybe it failed to broadcast to the network
08:30:23 <who> so receiving works - wallet is syncing but not broadcasting.
08:30:30 <who> thank you for the help.
08:30:59 <Mochi101> you can manually broadcast a tx
08:31:28 <Mochi101> in the daemon: relay_tx <txid>
08:31:33 <who> oh
08:31:36 <who> give me a moment
08:32:57 <who> using monero-wallet-cli with remote node, so monerod is not running and thus not seeing option to manually relay
08:33:08 <who> i'll do some reading, thanks for the help :)
08:33:34 <who> a trusted self setup remote node, of course :)
08:34:26 <Mochi101> ah I see
08:35:00 <who> thanks for the help!
08:38:08 <sech1> Are you testing with real XMR? Not on testnet? Because testnet is kind of stuck now, so transactions don't go through.
08:40:17 <who> testing on real XMR
08:40:24 <who> mainnet
08:41:12 <who> rescan_bc - recovered balance back, will retry sending
08:43:51 <who> fun
08:43:53 <who> Error: transaction <xxxx> was rejected by daemon Error: Reason: double spend
08:44:31 <who> let's say this daemon has been running for the past 9-10 months with 0.14.x without any issues, after 0.15.x upgrade this is happening
08:45:20 <who> time for debugging
08:59:56 <Mochi101> When did you upgrade?
09:00:18 <who> 3 weeks ago
09:00:32 <who> on 16th
09:00:44 <who> or somewhere around that
09:03:00 <Mochi101> is the tx in the tx pool?
09:03:57 <Mochi101> this is part of the problem with not running your own daemon
09:03:59 <Mochi101> :)
09:04:06 <who> Mochi101: i am running my own daemon
09:04:23 <who> tx is not in the pool
09:04:25 <Mochi101> so in the daemon type flush_txpool
09:04:51 <Mochi101> then in monero wallet: rescan_spent
09:05:05 <who> Error: Unsuccessful -- json_rpc_request :)
09:05:19 <who> for flush_txpool ^
09:06:22 <Mochi101> in the daemon?
09:06:36 <who> "monerod flush_txpool"
09:07:01 <sech1> no, you need to run monerod in console and type it there when it's synchronized
09:07:10 <sech1> no pass it via cmdline
09:07:15 <sech1> *not
09:07:33 <who> ok
09:10:37 <who> Pool successfully flushed
09:10:45 <who> let me try again
09:14:06 <who> sech1: Mochi101: thanks for the help both of you
09:14:12 <Mochi101> Worked?
09:14:15 <who> transaction passed through this time
09:14:17 <who> worked
09:14:30 <who> not sure why exactly that happened, did same steps both times
09:14:33 <Mochi101> thank dEBRUYNE, I got it off a reddit post he answered
09:14:51 <who> appreciate dEBRUYNE too :)
09:15:07 <who> sorry have no time to get into logs now
09:15:24 <who> thanks!
09:48:01 <Inge-> hm. ZA has currency controls and are clamping down on crypto.
09:48:05 <Inge-> https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2019/12/south-africa-planning-new-regulations-to-prevent-use-of-crypto-in-currency-evasion/
11:10:19 <nonie> Monero also uses BIP39 for creating mnemonic seeds, doesn't it? I'm asking because I have those two hex dice here and want to dice a 256 bit (HEX) entropy to create a mnemonic seed. Is there a tool that can create the mnemonic seed with a hex input?
11:10:51 <asymptotically> nonie: https://xmr.llcoins.net/addresstests.html
11:10:59 <asymptotically> use box 2, and then press gen 1 to create the seed
11:15:57 <nonie> asymptotically: Ah - nice. Is it possible to run on my PC?
11:19:36 <asymptotically> you can save the page and open it on an offline computer
11:19:51 <nonie> thx
11:20:34 <Mochi101> best to look at the source and then write it down on a piece of paper and then type it into the offline computer so that you have complete computational isolation as well
11:21:10 <Inge-> asymptotically: that isn't bip39 though
11:22:14 <Inge-> nonie: I think you can put a bip39 seed (and optional passphrase) into this python app that you can run offline: https://github.com/LedgerHQ/ledger-app-monero/tree/master/tools/python
11:22:52 <Inge-> And I think coinomi made a webpage (that you can also bring offline) for the same: https://coinomi.github.io/bip39-monero/
11:40:12 <nonie> I like the coinomi webpage. It allows hex entropy @ [x] show entropy details.
11:40:21 <nonie> + it shows nice details.
11:43:10 <Inge-> I think it is also a github project
11:48:28 <nonie> But i seems to be a large junk of source code to check for fraud.
11:49:58 <nonie> I just found this command line options "--extra-entropy arg" for monero-wallet-cli.
11:51:34 <nonie> arg = File containing extra entropy to initialize the PRNG (any data, aim for 256 bits of entropy to be useful, wihch typically means more than 256 bits of data)
11:51:46 <nonie> But it is binary data i guess.
11:53:18 <nonie> I guess a hex editor will do the work.
11:55:58 <nonie> But is it wise to save the entropy on a hard drive? Maybe some ram disc.
11:57:37 <asymptotically> `echo deadbeef1234 | xxd -r -p > /dev/shm/somefile` maybe
11:58:22 <louipc> already used entropy? or?
11:59:56 <nonie> asymptotically: Thx. your a champion.
12:00:48 <louipc> vim huh
13:00:19 <kpcyrd> does the monero project want to get added to https://reproducible-builds.org/who/ and do you have a logo and a prefered link/links you'd like to have listed?
13:01:06 <kpcyrd> oh, uhm.. just noticed it already is
13:01:37 <louipc> good
13:01:51 * kpcyrd lacks coffee, sorry
13:13:01 <Inge-> Going online without enough coffee is living dangerously
15:51:47 <kaled> hello
15:59:30 <kaled> why wallet dont process block 0?
16:00:39 <moneromooo> Pointless I guess.
16:00:51 <moneromooo> It's added stock.
16:04:03 <kaled> for new genesis i tried to add but compile is unsuccesful
16:04:59 <kaled>        process_new_transaction(get_transaction_hash(genesis.miner_tx), genesis.miner_tx, o_indices_genesis, 0, genesis.timestamp, true, false, false);
16:05:06 <kaled> this function is not working
16:10:47 <kaled> how to process genesis block for wallet
16:10:51 <kaled> any help please
16:12:00 <moneromooo> I don't think anyone from monero had to do this. Ask some fork coin.
16:12:36 <moneromooo> Or just don't, it's mostly pointless (unless you're going for a premine, in wich case ask a scam coin).
16:13:18 <moneromooo> Well, unless the premine's sensible, in which case ask a fork coin :)
16:14:05 <kaled> fork is not smth negative
16:15:12 <kaled> premine can be positive if u make a airdrop
16:15:51 <moneromooo> It's not negative per se, sure.
16:16:09 <moneromooo> Forks are good if you do something nice with it. Maybe you will.
16:16:29 <moneromooo> Most of the time it's used to scam people though.
16:16:40 <gingeropolous> naw, premine and airdrop is still negative. you become a money issuer than, and then its centralized, and you could run into law problems
16:16:49 <moneromooo> But Monero for instance forked from Bytecoin, and isn't a scam.
16:17:15 <gingeropolous> satoshi's distribution model is genius
16:18:12 <moneromooo> It's subjective of course, some people don't like premines at all, I think it's fine if it's like 1% or so. After all, you're doing the work.
16:18:53 <moneromooo> It depends how much you bring to the fork of course. If it's just a clone with token changes like so many shitcoins, then any premine feels like a scam.
16:19:29 <kaled> token changes?
16:19:33 <kaled> what do u mean
16:19:59 <moneromooo> I mean small pointless changes. Like switch the PoW, decrease block target, emission, tweak values, etc.
16:20:05 <gingeropolous> hrm, how to find out file type that doesn't have an extension
16:20:12 <kaled> file file
16:20:16 <moneromooo> file "$file"
16:20:25 <moneromooo> What he said :D
16:21:09 <moneromooo> Anyway, answer's the same: I don't know how to do it because I never had to. Other coins with a premine probably had to, so ask them.
16:21:54 <kaled> is just a function but dont work well
16:22:06 <kaled> process_new_transacion
16:22:09 <kaled> process_new_transaction
16:28:18 <kaled> i have a error like "has incorrect miner transaction" for genesis block 0
16:29:08 <kaled> i surpass with "if(m_db->height() !=0"
16:29:50 <kaled> i'll have error on future blocks because of this?
16:34:45 <kaled> moneromooo are u here?
16:34:58 <moneromooo> I am.
16:35:14 <moneromooo> I'm not interested in spending time working out how to premine though.
16:35:28 <kaled> will i have errors on future blocks because of "if(m_db->height() !=0"
16:35:49 <moneromooo> Depends what changes you make. Having a bad tx in the chain is a bad idea in the first place.
16:36:14 <kaled> didnt change anything else
16:36:15 <moneromooo> If I were you, I'd make the tx correct in the first place.
16:36:39 <moneromooo> Now I have no idea *why* it's bad. You'll have to work it out.
16:37:10 <moneromooo> But skipping this block looks like something that's likely to come back to bite you later.
16:38:30 <kaled> the strange thing is that transfer from genesis block work
16:39:03 <kaled> that function worked with old version of monero
16:39:35 <moneromooo> Odd. I don't think we changed any consensus rules for pre-v12...
16:40:15 <kaled> work with monero may 2018 version
16:40:41 <kaled> but the important is that even money transfer from genesis works
16:42:30 <kaled> or is better to do "if(already_generated_coins == 0) reward smth"
16:46:43 <kaled> moneromooo which is better solution genesis or "if(already_generated_coins == 0 reward smth"
16:47:00 <moneromooo> < moneromooo> I'm not interested in spending time working out how to premine though.
16:47:21 <moneromooo> Other coins have done htat though, so look for what they did.
16:49:17 <kaled> your knowledge is deeper than other that copy paste monero code
16:49:27 <kaled> is very crucial
16:49:39 <moneromooo> Sure, but as I said, I never had to do this, so I don't know how.
16:50:02 <kaled> u know the logic
16:52:35 <kaled> moneromooo just choose between
18:42:55 <rottensox> Tails 4.1 is out. get it while it's hot - https://tails.boum.org/install/download/index.en.html
18:48:26 <rah> I accidentally tried a transfer with a 0.14 monero-wallet-cli earlier this evening and the transfer is now stuck as "pending" and the balance has lowered
18:49:57 <rah> will the transfer be accepted by the network?
18:50:21 <moneromooo> Your (old) daemon cannot connect to the network. Update it, then relay the tx again with: relay_tx TXID
18:50:36 <moneromooo> It'll normally auto re-relay every... 4 hours IIRC.
18:51:20 <rah> moneromooo: the transfer is to an integrated address and I seem to recall something about those being dropped in 0.15?
18:51:21 <moneromooo> There was no consensus change for txes that you're likely to hit, so the same tx should be good to go once your daemon connects.
18:51:36 <moneromooo> They are not.
18:52:14 <rah> what does it mean to relay a tx?  I've never done that before
18:52:53 <moneromooo> Send to other daemons. This is normally automatic.
18:52:54 <Mochi101> tell other peers about it
18:53:22 <moneromooo> And it'll be automatic once you've updated, but it might be up to 4 hours. Relaying manually just speeds it up.
18:57:10 <rah> apparently my cli doesn't have such a command: "Error: Unknown command 'relay_tx', try 'help'"
18:57:42 <moneromooo> Are you doing this in monerod (which you should) or the wallet (which you should not) ?
18:57:53 <rah> the wallet
18:58:05 <rah> how could I "do this" in monerod?
18:58:17 <moneromooo> Run the command I mean.
18:59:11 <rah> I see, I normally run it as a daemon
18:59:32 <moneromooo> Ah, if detached, you can do: monerod relay_tx TXID and it'll call the daemon.
18:59:51 <moneromooo> And replace TXID with your txid of course.
19:00:21 <Mochi101> moneromoo smoothing it over
19:01:44 <rah> it says "Transaction successfully relayed" so I guess I'll wait a bit
19:02:01 <Mochi101> nice
19:06:11 <rah> I get a lot of exceptions in the monerod log btw, is that normal?
19:07:22 <moneromooo> If it's weak pointers when trying to connect to a peer, yes.
19:08:07 <rah> https://paste.debian.net/1119269/
19:08:08 <moneromooo> Ideally one would make that less noisy, but it needs time debugging and sice it's not borked, it's now high priority.
19:08:43 <moneromooo> Ah, right. New one, it's annoying, yes.
19:09:08 <rah> new but nothing to worry about? :-)
19:09:10 <moneromooo> But it's how the random config is done currently. Try it, catch, do something else if caught
19:09:17 <moneromooo> Yes, you can ignore this one too.
19:10:57 <rah> ok
19:20:40 <rah> ah, it's got a height now and it's changed from "pending" to "out" so I guess it's done
19:20:45 <rah> moneromooo: thanks :-)
19:20:46 <kiwi_99> are there new address formats not?
19:20:48 <kiwi_99> now*
19:21:06 <moneromooo> No.
19:21:22 <moneromooo> Well, subaddresses, but that's like a year old now I think.
19:21:37 <kiwi_99> but new wallet can send out to old addresses fine?
19:21:43 <moneromooo> Yes.
20:29:19 <garnet> herro
20:30:22 <garnet> i set up a cake wallet but the syncing is taking forever, can i use the seed recovery to get my wallet working from my desktop (which can download the blockchain much faster than my phone i hope)
20:30:38 <endogenic> garnet: how about using mymonero.com?
20:30:41 <endogenic> it's already synced
20:30:44 <endogenic> and scanning is super fast
20:31:15 <garnet> i just downloaded getmonero but i can use mymonero too, its all the same to me
20:31:29 <garnet> was mostly wondering if this would work, since im crypto noob
23:01:19 <bri3gel> meop