00:02:37 <resistor4u> ahoy. i'm a "hobbyist" on a 64-bit OS rpi, and i'm looking for recommendations on low-diff pools
00:03:30 <moneromooo> Try #monero-pools
00:04:50 <resistor4u> i've posted the ? there too, thanks
00:09:26 <resistor4u> err, or pools that accommodate low-diff miners
00:09:46 <resistor4u> *not just low-diff miners only
00:52:55 <resistor4u> lol people on the minergate chat are flipping out
00:53:10 <resistor4u> apparently they didn't update their pool
00:54:24 <louipc> lolnice
00:54:40 <resistor4u> that's just irresponsible
01:13:39 <xmrmatterbridge> <GuzmanPintos> Check Luxor (mining.luxor.tech), we will vardiff all sort of miners. 😃
02:44:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <vie> There were 60 blocks in the last 60 minutes, there might be large hash rate changes, or we might be partitioned, cut off from the Monero network or under attack. Or it could be just sheer bad luck.
02:56:56 <nioc> still adjusting to the POW change after the hard fork
03:00:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <vie> ok
03:00:49 <xmrmatterbridge> <vie> why the nework hash is still so heigh?
03:08:21 <hyc> because hashrates on the newer algo are higher than the previous one, on CPUs
03:09:41 <xyggos> Are they lower on GPU? I am getting a significant reduction with xmrig rx/0 vs. cn/2 on my r9 390
03:10:22 <nioc> depends on the GPU
03:10:32 <xmrmatterbridge> <vie> but on GPU, FPGA, ASIC ?
03:10:39 <nioc> so are worse some better and some are the same
03:10:55 <xyggos> ~1kH/s cn/2 vs. like ~10
03:11:39 <nioc> no asics other than a good cpu
03:11:43 <xyggos> Seems like something's wrong tbh, unsure how to debug though. Should probably open a ticket or just take my lumps I guess.
03:11:55 <nioc> FPGA highly unlikely
03:12:36 <nioc> CPUs now get up to 10x the HR
03:13:17 <xyggos> Actually my GPU just reports n/a so something must be wrong.
03:13:49 <nioc> so GPUs with the same HR as before are not competitive unless very cheap elec
03:14:10 <nioc> not sure if your gpu is supported
03:14:21 <xmrmatterbridge> <vie> ok, I see.
03:14:41 <nioc> the AMD RX and Vegas are
03:15:09 <nioc> my RX570 gets close to the same HR as before
03:15:45 <nioc> my CPUs get ~10x
03:16:02 <hyc> yes, that should be about the same for all GPUs and CPUs
03:16:37 <hyc> Polaris and Vega are supported. nothing older or newer.
03:17:29 <nioc> hyc: for older CPUs some people are reporting only a 4x increase
03:17:30 <xmrmatterbridge> <vie> So the pool is still here and solo mine is not  economical.
03:17:31 <nioc> I have little details so.....
03:18:15 <hyc> I guess that's possible for older CPUs
03:18:27 <hyc> so much depends on on-chip caches
03:53:01 <ZaiRoX> Anyone knows what it means when a peer id = 30dd752b? https://imgur.com/7Ew7zye
03:53:10 <ZaiRoX> shouldn't they be unique?
03:53:32 <ZaiRoX> (from sync_info)
06:02:33 <KnifeOfPi_> hi
06:36:00 <skrech> does monero-wallet-cli expect the config file to be placed on a specific default place?
06:46:52 <skrech> I don't want to speficy path to config every time
07:35:11 <rbrunner> skrech: No default location for CLI config file. I write small shell scripts and batchfiles for such cases to avoid too much typing
07:36:08 <skrech> rbrunner: thanks
07:36:31 <skrech> one more question just to be sure: I don't need to be connected to a node to generate my new wallet, yes?
07:36:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <dd1982> Ryzen 3700X. The new Ryzens are beasts in general - but the huge L3 caches make them especially good with RandomX as it needs ~2MB L3 per thread and the new Ryzens have at least 4MB/core...
07:37:22 <manifest> skrech: no node needed for wallet
07:37:44 <manifest> generation that is
07:38:30 <skrech> thanks manifest
11:03:45 <skrech> sorry if I'm nagging with my questions but: how is it possible to have monerod consume 62G of virtual memory while the swap is empty and the RES memory is about 5G?
11:04:10 <skrech> feel free to answer me with big articles :D
11:04:54 <asymptotically> skrech: it could be something like a memory mapped file
11:05:28 <hyc> exactly
11:06:45 <hyc> LMDB uses shared memory-mapped file - these never use swap
11:06:54 <skrech> yes, I though the same but didn't know whether it possible
11:07:13 <skrech> what is the C function to memory map a file?
11:07:32 <hyc> oon posix - mmap
11:07:33 <skrech> or... it's more elaborate?
11:07:42 <skrech> hyc: thanks
11:08:12 <hyc> using mmap safely is more elaborate...
15:53:47 <Inge-> xmrchain.net broken
15:59:15 <midipoet> Inge-: https://explorer.xmr.pt/ is a working alternative
16:05:54 <zib> i have my xmr.se also
16:37:25 <mfed3[m]> What do you guys recommend as the best XMR mining pool to get into right now with the RandomX switchover?
16:37:31 <mfed3[m]> I am looking to mine on my CPU, if this matters
16:37:39 <mfed3[m]> and also software, XMRig?
16:38:01 <mfed3[m]> I'm on Manjaro Linux if that matters for anyone that helps, thanks I appreciate it
16:38:10 <asymptotically> yes xmrig is the best. you can pick one from https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
16:40:54 <mfed3[m]> I used to use supportxmr in the past, I think I still have some residual unpaid mining in my receive address account
16:41:36 <mfed3[m]> Thanks asymptotically ! Looks like I'm back in the game
16:44:20 <Inge-> supportxmr is still fine - but it is amongst the largest pools
16:51:57 <KnifeOfPi_> moneroocean’s pool comparison says that supportxmr is statistically the best pool to mine at
16:53:16 <Mochi101> wo! KnifeOfPi_
16:53:18 <Mochi101> hello
16:53:26 <KnifeOfPi_> hi!
16:53:50 <Mochi101> Which CN project are you on now?
16:54:08 <Mochi101> Sumo, Masari or Loki ?
16:54:52 <mfed3[m]> Mining activated 🙂
16:55:20 <mfed3[m]> I really like that convenient script / command line generator, very nice
16:58:39 <mfed3[m]> Damn I really need to get me a Ryzen 9 3900x now 🙂
16:59:23 <mfed3[m]> Seems to be the best bang for buck on the market
17:06:30 <asymptotically> mfed3[m]: you're welcome to more mining chat in #monero-pools :)
17:06:42 <mfed3[m]> 👍️
17:38:36 <DeanWeen> last hard fork there was a graph of hashrate dropping from the asics.  Any ideas how the hash rate will/has changed with this fork?
17:39:30 <moneromooo> It more than doubled so far. Guess the ASICs were ready this time.
17:40:30 <moneromooo> (for those who missed it, the second part was in jest...)
17:41:42 <DeanWeen> but the hashrate actually did go up?  due to... easier computation from the cpu advantages of randomx?
17:42:25 <sech1> CPU hashrate is 7-10x times more
17:42:37 <sech1> of course network hashrate will go up
17:43:39 <rbrunner> Well, that was "only" very probable, but not guaranteed, right? There might have been ASIC we did not know of; too many miners and pools not ready for the fork; etc.
17:47:44 <nioc> there were no asics on v11, the HR did not change over those 8 months, most pools ready, most miners never are
17:47:47 <Mochi101> DeanWeen, courtesy of chron0 in #monero-pools https://apollo.open-resource.org/flight-control/vfcc/dashboard/db/xmr-network-stats
17:50:39 <DeanWeen> Mochi101: thanks
17:51:13 <DeanWeen> will be interesting to watch in the coming week(s)
17:51:51 <Bill48105> so i i didn't upgrade from 0.14 in time there anything special I need to do?
17:52:06 <moneromooo> Yes, update to 0.15.0.1.
17:52:11 <Bill48105> lol thx
17:52:29 <Bill48105> i mean in terms of fixing the chain copy etc. take it you're saing just upgrade & it'll fix itself
17:53:08 <moneromooo> I think it should.
17:53:16 <Bill48105> guess 1 way to find out :D thx
17:53:28 <moneromooo> If you want to make sure, pop enough blocks to get back to before the fork with the old version first.
17:53:49 <Bill48105> yeah? guess i'd have to look up how to do that
17:53:58 <moneromooo> pop_blocks N
17:54:07 <moneromooo> Then quit, lest it syncs again :)
17:54:27 <Bill48105> gotcha thx i already stopped but downloading 15 now
17:55:47 <Bill48105> that's odd the relewase says v.15.0.1 but filename is v0.15.0.0
17:56:29 <Bill48105> ha can just edit the url & it works
17:56:54 <btgjoseph> congrats on a flawless fork once again!
17:57:22 <btgjoseph> dare i say that randomx is very welcome in the asic resistance realm
17:57:41 <btgjoseph> letthe fools continue to say 'asic resistance doesnt exist' 'it is a wasteof time' blah blah blah
17:57:58 <btgjoseph> they just heard it from someone else
17:58:08 <btgjoseph> anyways, enjoy your day
17:58:34 <Bill48105> lol ok
18:03:40 <nioc> joined just yo say that and left
18:03:45 <nioc> how nice
18:03:50 <Bill48105> 2019-12-01 18:03:29.150 I Synced 1978453/1979407 (99%, 954 left)
18:03:55 <Bill48105> seems to be working
18:04:05 <Bill48105> quaint fellow eh
18:07:48 <Bill48105> but yeah fyi on github releases page under Official Download Links all the links point to v0.15.0.0 not v0.15.0.1  I just had to edit the url before downloading but figure some might not notice
18:08:35 <Bill48105> oh that's why 15.0.1 doesn't have a releases announcement
18:09:25 <Bill48105> too easy to see v0.15.0.1 & scroll down to download without realizing now into the old one
18:10:02 <Mochi101> binaryFate, better have a look at minko.to
18:10:17 <Mochi101> Seems to not be working.
18:14:29 <Mochi101> monero.win is functioning perfectly though
18:17:16 <moneromooo> Oh, nice. What is the URL again ?
18:22:01 <Mochi101> https://monero.win
18:22:03 <Mochi101> :P
18:22:34 <Bill48105> lol smart alec
18:22:41 <moneromooo> :)
18:22:48 <Bill48105> seems update to 15 was painless
18:23:08 <Mochi101> Only boring forks...
18:23:11 * Mochi101 sighs
18:23:15 <Mochi101> ;)
18:23:16 <Bill48105> daemon & rpc both functional
18:23:24 <Bill48105> thanks i prefer no surprises :D
18:24:59 <Bill48105> monero hasn't been used much on my bot since adding it but it's still early
18:25:09 <Mochi101> Which bot?
18:25:34 <Bill48105> Wallet
18:26:30 <Bill48105> it's in like 30 channels i think. multi coin tip/soak/faucet/games/utility bot
18:27:17 <Bill48105> been working on rewrite which is multi-platform. have multi-irc, discord, telegram, matrix, keybase & slack plugins created so far
18:38:14 <Mochi101> Bill48105, link?
19:14:19 <Bill48105> if you want to check out feel free to join ##wallet or #walletbot which is mostly people playing the games
19:15:07 <manifest> !balance
19:15:07 <tippero> manifest's balance is 4.212932321 millinero (0.004212932321 Monero)
19:15:15 <manifest> probably not related to above but
19:15:25 <Mochi101> !balance
19:15:25 <tippero> mochi101's balance is 33.707865 micronero (3.3707865e-05 Monero)
19:15:48 <Bill48105> yeah my bot is similar. you can do .xmr balance or .balances to see all coins
19:16:22 <Mochi101> !help
19:17:46 <rottensox> manifest!
19:17:50 <rottensox> i mean, europol!
19:19:34 <Bill48105> hey look it's sox
20:06:58 <littlecrackhoe> what are you upto
20:07:35 <louipc> nocrack sorry
20:08:44 <littlecrackhoe> haha, i can buy it with monero on the undernet
20:09:06 <as2333> https://www.freehaven.net/anonbib/cache/websitefingerprinting-pets2016.pdf
20:09:15 <as2333> "we have overcome a number of previously identified barriers to deploying website fingerprinting in the wild, and demonstrated that even clients using state-of-the-art privacy software like the Tor Browser are subject to snooping by local passive eavesdroppers under realistic conditions"
20:09:43 <as2333> so called 'AI' at work
20:12:24 <louipc> is the undernet same as the darkweb?
20:12:44 <Mochi101> Undernet is an IRC network
20:13:43 <louipc> any good?
20:14:04 <Mochi101> Many moons ago it was my preferred IRC network.
20:14:17 <littlecrackhoe> :o
20:14:36 <Mochi101> I was an op in #England when Princess Dianne died.. :(
20:16:11 <louipc> you shoulda banned the papparazzi when u saw them trolling her d00d
20:16:40 <Mochi101> I know right
20:17:01 <Mochi101> IRC was a lot bigger back then.
20:19:58 <as2333> people are more stupid now and use facebook
20:20:16 <Mochi101> ++
20:20:54 <asymptotically> idk i've always been pretty stupid
20:21:06 <manifest> that image of youtube registration before and after google bought em
20:25:43 <as2333> cant wait for people to have their brains plugged into goolge-nsa
20:26:29 <as2333> retarphones are too rudimentary - what civilization needs is brain implants
20:29:51 <louipc> what if the wifi goes down
20:30:26 <Bill48105> louipc uses my bots :)
22:41:19 <louipc> yea bill has a neat bot check it out
22:42:19 <Bill48105> lol
22:42:22 <Bill48105> thanks
22:42:32 <Bill48105> nice shill
22:42:58 <Bill48105> I'd tip you but it's not in here :S
22:43:04 <Bill48105> omg A-cat what up
22:44:00 <A-cat> omg Bill48105 ))
22:44:09 <Bill48105> what you been up to
22:44:24 <A-cat> Not much, real life and education ))
22:44:26 <Bill48105> i added monero to Wallet bot finally
22:44:35 <Bill48105> yeah? how's that coming along
22:45:14 <A-cat> Bill48105, decent, one more semester then I can start slacking again ))
22:45:40 <Bill48105> do it
22:46:18 <Bill48105> well good job prioritizing and avoiding the distractions
23:30:01 <Hail_Spacecake> I installed the mymonero wallet, and put in the encryption_passphrase I got from my existing wallet with the official cli client
23:30:10 <Hail_Spacecake> (on a different computer, to be clear)
23:30:47 <Hail_Spacecake> and the mymonero client is showing a different hex addres than I was expecting, and is saying I need to do a transfer that costs 0.1 xmr
23:30:52 <Hail_Spacecake> which I don't want to pay
23:31:36 <Hail_Spacecake> I was under the impressoin that I was just transferring control of a set of addresses from one wallet to another, but it seems like this process is actually about creating a new set of addresses, and transferring xmr from the old one to the new one?
23:32:06 <louipc> you can have same passphrase but different keys
23:33:02 <Hail_Spacecake> so the key is the fundamental unit of controling a collection of xmr, and you generate (a large number of) addresses from the key?
23:33:07 <Hail_Spacecake> I'm not 100% sure of the right terminology
23:33:35 <louipc> yea something like that
23:33:58 <Hail_Spacecake> so is there any way for me to start using the mymonero wallet without paying that 0.1 xmr?
23:34:40 <Hail_Spacecake> anyway I thought that encryption_passphrase was a way of encoding the key in a set of human-readable names, and wasn't realted to my wallet password
23:37:20 <selsta> 00:30 <Hail_Spacecake> and the mymonero client is showing a different hex addres than I was expecting, and is saying I need to do a transfer that costs 0.1 xmr <-- importing a wallet is not free with MyMonero
23:37:54 <louipc> Hail_Spacecake: sorry i hdnt used mymonero. but if you could import the 'seed' i guess it shoudl work without any fee
23:38:07 <selsta> 00:33 <Hail_Spacecake> so is there any way for me to start using the mymonero wallet without paying that 0.1 xmr? <-- yes simply generate a new wallet and transfer your XMR in the wallet
23:39:02 <selsta> 00:34 <Hail_Spacecake> anyway I thought that encryption_passphrase was a way of encoding the key in a set of human-readable names, and wasn't realted to my wallet password <-- encryption passphrase? Do you mean your seed? Yes, your seed isn’t related to your wallet password.
23:39:11 <louipc> i wonder why the transfer would cost .1 xmr tho??
23:39:31 <louipc> seems high still
23:39:41 <Hail_Spacecake> selsta: I mean the set of 25 human-readable english words I get when I run encryption_seed in the official monero cli client
23:39:43 <selsta> louipc: Because importing a wallet and scanning from block 0 is resource intensive.
23:40:14 <selsta> It’s a fee MyMonero charges for importing, it’s not related to Monero.
23:40:17 <louipc> oh hehhh
23:40:30 <Hail_Spacecake> hm, maybe I just want to stick with the official client hten
23:40:48 <selsta> Simply generate a new MyMonero wallet and try them out.
23:40:55 <selsta> Only importing costs a fee.
23:41:00 <louipc> and theres mymonero.com and mymonerowallet.org
23:41:05 <louipc> so confusing
23:41:10 <Hail_Spacecake> the last time I looked at this, i remember having to either download a several-dozen-gb blockchain, or point the official client at some external source of the blockchain, which had security implications I didn't fully understand
23:41:30 <selsta> mymonero.com is the correct domain
23:41:39 <Hail_Spacecake> and I think I've since deleted the local copy of the blockchain out of some dot directory, since it was taking up a lot of spcae on my ssd
23:42:08 <Hail_Spacecake> I suppose if I wanted to transfer xmr out of my existing wallet I'd need to redownload that blockchain, or point my client at some external server
23:42:15 <selsta> yes
23:42:22 <Hail_Spacecake> butif I could do the latter safely then maybe I don't care about using mymonero
23:42:45 <Hail_Spacecake> I was interested in that because it seemed to not require downloading a copy of the blockchain
23:42:54 <louipc> its recommends to use your own node
23:48:17 <nioc> you can set up a new wallet on mymonero and transfer your existing funds to that wallet and don't have to pay the 0.1 xmr fee
23:49:13 <nioc> Hail_Spacecake: ^^
23:53:52 <gingeropolous> well i guess the next thing is to figure out how to stop pool centralization
23:53:58 <Hail_Spacecake> nioc: but can I do that without re-setting-up my existing wallet with a node, either local or otherwise?
23:55:12 <nioc> sorry if I came in the middle but you need yours or a remote node
23:55:58 <nioc> using the android or ios wallet is easy