01:45:45 <locustlord> hello
01:45:55 <locustlord> anyone know if randomx is compatible with javascript mining?
01:53:56 <locustlord> hey guys
01:54:15 <louipc> i thought randomx is the javascript mining algo
01:56:53 <locustlord> the SHA256 hash of the windows gui zip doesn't match the website
01:57:05 <locustlord> can someone check the files?
01:57:48 <locustlord> should I ping someone?
01:58:30 <locustlord> it's considered compromised if it doesn't match the zip right?
01:59:04 <locustlord> fluffypony
01:59:16 <locustlord> maybe I'll ping him to check I think this is important
02:01:08 <louipc>  possibly compromised or corrupted
02:01:15 <louipc> try downloading again
02:01:22 <louipc> are you using https?
02:02:36 <locustlord> yes I am
02:02:52 <locustlord> I've deleted the file and redownloaded a few times I get the same hash every time on my end
02:03:14 <louipc> oh
02:03:14 <locustlord> I use https everywhere
02:03:40 <louipc> which url is it
02:03:56 <locustlord> https://downloads.getmonero.org/gui/win64
02:06:43 <locustlord> I'm about to check my computer for malware
02:07:25 <louipc> a09cc7bf06834e49ec267e89daf1dc6ecc3b2c34ac50e8f0548f8997aef37b06
02:07:42 <louipc> thats sha256sum i got
02:08:58 <locustlord> oh I'm a fucking idiot
02:09:15 <locustlord> wait no I'm not
02:09:52 <locustlord> ok I think it was my end that was screwing up
02:10:25 <locustlord> it's fixed now
02:11:36 <locustlord> my downloads were being modified by my own doing
02:12:19 <locustlord> I am my own worst enemy
02:12:48 <louipc> wow howd u do that
02:51:54 <rottensox_> alrite.
03:58:39 <rottensox_> Revuo Issue 36 - http://revuo-monero.com/issue-36.html
06:05:18 <Flenst> o/
06:08:51 <frogar> \o
06:08:59 <darsie> .
07:44:24 <Perkol> Hello. I have downloaded new gui wallet, and there is no option to choose between local and remote node sync. What changed?
07:45:05 <Flenst> I recently downloaded the GUI and I had the option when creating a new wallet
07:45:35 <Flenst> It is a option when the GUI asks for the location for the blockchain. The other option is the remote node
07:46:30 <Perkol> Is there a way to use remote node through tor?
09:54:06 <rottensox> rbrunner: do you speak Spanish?
09:54:23 <rbrunner> Well, I mostly read Spanish, but that quite fluently
09:54:45 <rbrunner> Never actually had to speak so far ...
09:55:12 <rottensox> ah.
09:55:25 <rottensox> yet you understood the first episode of El Monero is my understanding?
09:55:47 <rbrunner> Yes. The pronounciation was quite good, as was the audio quality
09:56:03 <rottensox> glad to hear that...
09:56:09 <rottensox> thanks again for tuning in.
09:56:12 <rbrunner> And of course the subject quite known to me, which certainly helped
09:56:19 <rbrunner> You are welcome
09:56:24 <rottensox> haha. have you checked out the 2nd episode yet?
09:56:35 <rbrunner> Ah, there is already a second one? Not yet.
09:56:38 <rottensox> the audio has some hiccups here and there. hopefully 3rd won't have as many cutoffs.
09:56:45 <rottensox> hold on. let me link you up.
09:57:09 <rottensox> https://twitter.com/elmonero_/status/1200183627377774592
09:57:21 <rbrunner> Thanks, will have a look later today
09:57:27 <rottensox> Second tweet in the thread has links to RSS feed, Spotify and Anchor.
09:58:00 <rottensox> rbrunner: Appreciated. Here's its thread on reddit. You may comment there, and bash on me as someone already did - https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/e35p5e/spanish_xmr_podcast_el_monero_el_fork/
09:58:01 <rottensox> hehe.
09:59:35 <rbrunner> Well, no good deed goes unpunished, as they always quip
09:59:58 <rottensox> lol, yes indeed.
10:00:12 <rottensox> it's a bit confusing, that comment, but i guess i get it.
10:00:13 <rottensox> .shrug
10:00:15 <rbrunner> I think the remark about the 6 month fork schedule going back to pre-ASIC-tussles times is not wrong. They could have worded that a little friendler however
10:00:45 <rottensox> yes... agree with you there.
10:00:59 <rottensox> didn't even find willingness to respond to that comment to be frank...
10:01:14 <rbrunner> Yeah ...
10:02:38 <rbrunner> Do you sit in Europe, or in South America?
10:03:00 <rottensox> neither.
10:03:04 <rottensox> north america.
10:03:13 <rbrunner> Ah, ok. Not much left :)
10:03:22 <rbrunner> Doxxed you already :)
10:03:25 <rottensox> yes.
10:03:26 <rottensox> rekt.
10:19:29 <zelest> Is there any page out there which lists stores that accept monero for payments?
10:20:46 <rottensox> zelest: try https://web.getmonero.org/community/merchants/ maybe.
10:20:59 <zelest> Oh, doh! :D
10:32:06 <ajs[m]> that guy must have missed anhdres point around 00:16:15 into the talk that forks also includes other code changes
10:33:14 <ajs[m]> good job by the way, I enjoy hearing the podcasts on spotify
10:34:10 <Hail_Spacecake> man why is the mymonero wallet a node app?
10:34:18 <Hail_Spacecake> why do so many people like making node apps?
10:34:19 <rottensox> <ajs[m]> that guy must have missed anhdres point around 00:16:15 into the talk that forks also includes other code changes
10:34:19 <rottensox> based uncle ajs.
10:34:33 <rottensox> <ajs[m]> good job by the way, I enjoy hearing the podcasts on spotify
10:34:33 <rottensox> do you speak Spanish sir?
10:34:50 <rottensox> <Hail_Spacecake> why do so many people like making node apps?
10:34:50 <rottensox> easiness of use?
10:34:54 <Snipa> Wait, they're on spotify?  Oooh, might have to look it up. :D
10:34:57 <rottensox> SPV wallets are okayish.
10:35:02 <ajs[m]> si
10:35:17 <rottensox> <Snipa> Wait, they're on spotify?  Oooh, might have to look it up. :D
10:35:17 <rottensox> positive. https://open.spotify.com/show/1jLMkaeMgC8zw1ZZ3FF8aQ
10:35:25 <Snipa> Also, NodeJS is relatively easy to pick up, and makes frontend developers think they can write real code.
10:35:37 <Snipa> Handy.
10:35:43 <rottensox> <ajs[m]> si
10:35:43 <rottensox> great. we might start interviewing people somewhere down the road, if you're down to come on.
10:35:44 <louipc> oh rite nodejs
10:35:44 <rbrunner> Yes, NodeJS for programmers is something like a pact with the devil. They just don't seem all to know that.
10:36:03 <Snipa> I mean, I went that route because the hashing libs were in node for the pools. :P
10:36:37 <Hail_Spacecake> they're such a pain to build though
10:36:45 <rbrunner> Devil: "Here, have a enormous mountain of complexity and thousands of third-party dependencies. But you will program *fast*"
10:36:57 <Snipa> They're not particularly hard to build
10:37:04 <Snipa> nvm makes it pretty easy to deal with.
10:37:28 <louipc> make the non-node apps bros
10:37:33 <louipc> for the good of humanity
10:37:46 <Snipa> I've been moving everything to go, but haven't wanted to burn time on rewriting RX in go yet.
10:37:55 <louipc> how do you feel about webassembly
10:38:09 <Snipa> I don't hate it, but I hate browsers in general.
10:38:15 <Hail_Spacecake> I've never tried to build a webassembly project meant to run on a pc
10:38:16 <louipc> agreed
10:38:21 <Hail_Spacecake> so I have no opinion about how that works
10:39:17 <louipc> browser occult want to make it into an OS
10:39:38 <Snipa> WASM is a neat idea.  Accelerate webapps to be faster and more portable.
10:39:53 <Snipa> What it really is though is, "Run more shit on chrome, because web devs can't manage to make a good backend application."
10:40:17 <louipc> then theres gonna be a package manager in every browser too
10:40:31 <louipc> i guess there is kinda already. addon/extensions
10:40:50 <Snipa> I mean, there's serviceworkers.
10:40:55 <ajs[m]> rottensox: could be fun, but I have a super heavy american accent though
10:40:57 <Snipa> Why bother when your site can just install an auto-updater?
10:40:58 <louipc> lol
10:41:20 <rottensox> haha, well, we'll see if we ever decide to start doing interviews.
10:41:24 <Snipa> Huh, my spanish isn't as bad as I thought it might be.
10:41:27 <rottensox> good to know you speak it at the very least ajs[m].
10:41:57 <rbrunner> One day we will migrate the whole community over to Spanish :)
10:42:10 <Snipa> The classy answer would be to move it all to esperanto.
10:42:11 <rottensox> i'm down.
10:42:19 <rottensox> oh no, for that no.
10:42:20 <rottensox> lol.
10:42:23 <louipc> erm #monero-es?
10:43:03 <Hail_Spacecake> ¿por que queremos hablar en español?
10:43:42 <rottensox> ¿por qué no?
10:44:22 <rottensox> south america benefits from cryptocurrencies bigly with all the currency controls, inflation and corrupted governments...
10:44:52 <rottensox> once we knock out the baselines for the fundamentals and news it'll be fun to discuss topics like that on the pod. :)
10:44:57 <Hail_Spacecake> you know it's interesting
10:45:10 <Hail_Spacecake> I've heard about venezuelans using bitcoin
10:45:14 <Hail_Spacecake> but not any other cryptocurrency
10:45:35 <rottensox> bitcoin is the most well-known, as pretty much anywhere in the world.
10:45:46 <Hail_Spacecake> and I think cases like venezuela are a good real world testing ground for privacy-preserving and anti-censorship cryptocurrencies
10:46:10 <rottensox> but dash, bitcoin cash and even nano are tossing a truckload of monies in marketing to make venezuelans aware of them, yet the actual use is little if not existent.
10:46:15 <rottensox> pure bullshit.
10:46:23 <Hail_Spacecake> so it's worth asking what is stopping ordiray people there from using bitcoin more, or using monero, or using some other currency more
10:46:31 <Hail_Spacecake> or maybe they are and it's just not being reported
10:46:31 <rottensox> i talked about that on monero talk. said I hate Dash twice in less than 18 minutes.
10:46:38 <rottensox> Dash bitches were mad at me.
10:46:40 <rottensox> :^)
10:46:43 <Hail_Spacecake> I don't know anything about dash actually
10:46:53 <Hail_Spacecake> I have not personally bothered to look into most cryptocurrencies
10:46:59 <rottensox> good.
10:47:02 <rottensox> focus on btc and xmr.
10:47:03 <Snipa> Why bother when you've got Monero? :P
10:47:04 <rottensox> the rest is noise.
10:47:09 <Hail_Spacecake> monero and zcash I care about becuase they're the only ones I know of that try to preserve privacy
10:47:17 <rottensox> wellllllllllllll...
10:47:22 <rottensox> don't mention the other.
10:47:27 <rottensox> or we'll start having fites.
10:47:35 <Snipa> Grin's apparently fell apart from what I was told.
10:47:44 <Hail_Spacecake> ah, right, yeah, the mimblewimble thing
10:47:57 <Hail_Spacecake> and yes I did hear a thing in the tech news about how it's not as privacy-preserving as claimed
10:47:58 <Snipa> Yeah, my ex-ceo was working with a company that was big into it.
10:48:08 <rottensox> zcash? ya, nah.
10:48:16 <Hail_Spacecake> so what's wrong with zcash?
10:48:16 <rottensox> opt-in privacy is... not private.
10:48:19 <rottensox> opt-in privacy is... not private.
10:48:20 <rottensox> that.
10:48:47 <Hail_Spacecake> I assume you mean that the fact that zcash as a systme makes it possible in principle to do a public transaction
10:48:56 <Hail_Spacecake> is bad for the prviacy of everyone using it, even if they are using private transactions?
10:49:05 <rottensox> hmm...
10:49:34 <asymptotically> people only opt-in if they have something to hide (because it takes like 5000 gigs of ram and 300 hours of cpu time to create a private zcash transaction) so you look bad for using the shielded pool
10:49:39 <rottensox> only a tiny percentage of the entire network uses shielded addresses. gets easier to know who's being private vs. who's being public there.
10:49:45 <asymptotically> and the anonymity set is smaller
10:49:47 <rottensox> monero is privacy by default.
10:49:53 <Snipa> Default public vs default private is part of that equation.
10:50:13 <Hail_Spacecake> so it's a systemic issue
10:50:28 <Hail_Spacecake> I've been trying to learn more about zcash recently
10:50:40 <rottensox> help yourself Hail_Spacecake - https://twitter.com/JEhrenhofer/status/1191863611817250816
10:50:40 <Snipa> If they'd done shield by default, it would be much better, but to calculate a private txn is not efficient with a goal of rapidly moving funds fue to building the transaction's computation.
10:51:08 <Hail_Spacecake> I bought a few coins on coinbase, sent them to my transparent address, and then sent those coins from my t-addr to my z-addr
10:51:23 <Hail_Spacecake> and that step didn't seem to take a long time
10:51:42 <Hail_Spacecake> so it's not my cpu time and ram being spent, anyway :)
10:52:02 <Hail_Spacecake> but yeah I don't know much about the actual computation model behind either zcash or monero
10:52:17 <Hail_Spacecake> bitcoin I understand at a high level but I don't get the crypto primitives there either
10:52:56 <Hail_Spacecake> rottensox: yeah I'm more sympathetic to this argument: https://twitter.com/BagsalotBTC/status/1192214412452487173
10:53:10 <Hail_Spacecake> i.e. sometiems I do want to publicly exchange money and that should be possible to do
10:53:24 <Snipa> View keys. :P
10:53:37 <Snipa> That's why you have the option of providing a way to show funds moving.
10:53:50 <Hail_Spacecake> ah oaky
10:54:01 <Hail_Spacecake> I've heard about that concept before but never tried to use it in practice
10:54:04 <Snipa> We use them all the time (Running a pool) as people will ask to confirm if a txn is done or not.
10:54:08 <rottensox> opt-in transparency.
10:54:21 <Snipa> So we can take the txn key and provide proof that their address was in the list of outpouts.
10:54:23 <Snipa> *outputs.
10:54:48 <rottensox> <Hail_Spacecake> i.e. sometiems I do want to publicly exchange money and that should be possible to do
10:54:48 <rottensox> bitcoin lets you do that.
10:54:54 <rottensox> monero lets you do it privately.
10:55:03 <Hail_Spacecake> yeah
10:55:11 <Hail_Spacecake> at the end of the day I don't think any one cryptocurrency needs to win
10:55:24 <Hail_Spacecake> it's okay if there are multiple ones that are good at different things
10:55:55 <Hail_Spacecake> I just learned about bisq and it's escrow model for doing cryptocurrency transactions, and that struck me as a really cool idea
11:24:31 <gingeropolous> .fork
13:52:53 <dd> hello,everyone ,the sync is stopped at height 1977328 after i upgraded to v0.15.0.1-release, could anyone help?
13:53:43 <moneromooo> Exit and restart with --log-level 1. See what errors you get, if any.
16:08:30 <gingeropolous> gah. does anyone else get this thing where if they try to normal scroll in screen, that it'll just cycle through command history
16:08:45 <gingeropolous> and then won't be repsonsive to keyboard input for some random amount of time
16:17:34 <selsta> gingeropolous: use tmux :D
16:23:28 <endogenic> Hail_Spacecake: we dont like it but if you have a better alternative for cross platform that doesnt have poor quality motion and rendering capabilities, please do tell
16:23:41 <endogenic> (desktop)
16:28:44 <dsc_> https://github.com/status-im/react-native-desktop
16:28:55 * dsc_ runs
17:08:41 <asymptotically> dsc_: D:
17:11:46 <rottensox> <rottensox> got a millionaire idea for anyone up to the quest.
17:11:48 <rottensox> <rottensox> stickermule is running a promotion on stickers.
17:11:50 <rottensox> <rottensox> https://www.stickermule.com/deals
17:11:52 <rottensox> <rottensox> possible designs to place your order with - https://a.uguu.se/SDQDlUjQ6KUM_xmr_sticker.png
17:11:54 <rottensox> <rottensox> https://a.uguu.se/VVGb4vLhacIA_dont.png
17:37:22 <gingeropolous> haven't you heard rottensox , don't buy monero is dead
17:37:24 <gingeropolous> long live moneor
17:39:48 <rottensox> gingeropolous: no.
17:40:04 <rottensox> the message is so smart. i'd slap the person who made the post on reddit about leaving it behind.
17:40:10 <rottensox> so punny and effective.
17:40:25 <rottensox> would love to have the fiat to get a truckload of these and glue them all over.
17:58:26 <xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> endogenic: what about Dart? https://dart.dev/
18:01:39 <endogenic> midipoet i gave a reply about dart / flutter recently
18:02:40 <endogenic> it's very similar to js .. but there are downsides
18:03:04 <xmrmatterbridge> <midipoet> Didn't see your response, but no need to repeat. Just someone mentioned it to me the other day
18:03:06 <endogenic> flutter desktop still super beta tho
18:03:21 <endogenic> thx, appreciate it
19:03:08 <linuxn00b> Hey, i downloaded the new monero zip but it doesnt have the wallet CLI? It has the gui wallet only
19:04:54 <linuxn00b> Do i have to seperately download Command Line Tools Only if I want monero-wallet-cli.exe?
19:06:42 <rehrar> linuxn00b the wallet CLI should be in the Monero zip also
19:08:09 <linuxn00b> well it wasnt for me for some reason unless I'm just not seeing it
19:10:06 <linuxn00b> https://imgur.com/a/ksdpfMV
19:10:45 <linuxn00b> this is what I have. I moved the key files into the folder(last 2 files)
19:32:02 <rbrunner> linuxn00b: I just checked the current 0.15.0.1 GUI zip file as offered on getmonero.org - it does contain the cli wallet. Maybe some antivirus program put it into quarantine on your system?
19:46:22 <nioc> can get flagged because of built in miner
19:47:13 <linuxn00b> yep thats it thanks
21:03:14 <gingeropolous> man, really tempted to up my server stocks: https://www.lowendtalk.com/categories/offers