04:49:06 * Thomas[m]4  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MolgAwoBZyYlNiGNOZdOEald/message.txt >
16:00:22 <ErCiccione> looking
16:04:19 <ErCiccione> he was muted. Does it work now? jtgrassie
16:06:28 <ErCiccione> np. Don't know why you were muted
16:08:34 <gingeropolous> i still don't see jtgrassie's posts
16:08:49 <sethsimmons> Can you see mine?
16:08:54 <gingeropolous> yep
16:08:58 <sethsimmons> weird
16:09:13 <gingeropolous> i think its a voice thing
16:09:14 <ErCiccione> jtgrassie: is your matrix user connected to a irc user?
16:09:30 <gingeropolous> i forget how the protector bot works
16:12:01 <ErCiccione> it's probably the voice bot on freenode's side
16:22:15 <selsta> ErCiccione: yes, xiphon has been offline for a couple days so we weren't able to get the bot running again
20:07:09 * Thomas[m]4  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WCGcaLlXJjgUBgXtaYLAoYjG/message.txt >
22:42:03 <Thomas[m]4> Any protocol relying on presigning suffers from this anyway (by design). At the moment though it is not even a question of whether we are ok with this tradeoff. Unless we are missing something big, you can't actually implement any protocol that relies on presigning which is f.e. everything Layer2 as those protocols are all collaborative and to be secure you usually sign all tx representing "backup paths" like
22:42:03 <Thomas[m]4> channel closure ahead of time.