00:41:10 <humandoinghumant> Hi guys, I think there was an MRL paper which discussed the possibility of matching mixin sampling with the actual spend time distribution. I couldn't figure out which one it was though, does any here know off hand?
00:42:23 <humandoinghumant> Damn, just found it. Sorry to bother you guys.
13:19:16 <moneromooo> Currently, coinbase outputs are deemed rct, and a well known mask used, despite them being technically in the clear.
13:19:59 <moneromooo> I'm wondering whether to consider them triptych as well. I'm thinking no, which would make them spent using a CLSAG signature - smaller.
13:20:56 <moneromooo> This is because of the previous discussions about coinbase outputs being not really private given pool practices. However, maybe a substantial ring size increase might change that view.
13:21:08 <moneromooo> Any opinion about this ?
13:46:50 <sech1> How are they rct if they don't have any ring? They are rct::RCTTypeNull in the code IIRC
13:50:52 <moneromooo> They are considered rct outputs when selecting fake outs or spending them.
13:52:20 <sech1> ah, in this case why not consider them triptych?
13:52:28 <moneromooo> Yes.
13:53:18 <sech1> How do you spend them if they're not triptych?
13:58:41 <moneromooo> I do not understand this question.
14:30:24 <UkoeHB> there has been some interest in segregating coinbase outputs in their own rings
14:30:51 <UkoeHB> well from sgp_ and I anyway
14:31:29 <sgp_> I still support that but it's low priority
14:31:37 <sgp_> Coinbase outputs are now uncommon
15:09:20 <sech1> moneromooo as I understand, if you don't consider them triptych, they can't be fake outputs in triptych transactions which means spending coinbase outputs can only ring with other coinbase outputs?
16:01:37 <moneromooo> Yes to the first part, no to the second, they would be spent with pre-triptyct rct outs.
16:02:16 <moneromooo> But you make a good point that this would mean a completely bullshit time based selection, so they'll have to be considered triptych.