13:21:03 <VestVep> Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
16:45:16 <sgp_> I have the contacts for a few audit firms now, will reach out next week though (just overloaded today)
18:13:28 <nioc> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/bulletproofs-plus-audit.html
19:06:22 <sgp_> 🎉🎉🎉
20:38:00 <dEBRUYNE> Funding completed it seems lol
20:38:11 <sethsimmons> Well that was quick :D
20:46:01 <mikerah[m]> Is it possible to design a payment streaming protocol on monero potentially using tx_extra and some other techniques?
20:46:17 <mikerah[m]> A good use case would be to enable privacy-preserving subscriptions for something like https://www.ivpn.net/blog/ivpn-now-accepts-monero-payments-runs-full-node/
21:04:51 <sgp_> mikerah[m]: can you do this with subaddresses?
21:06:22 <mikerah[m]> Probably but it woulnd't be scalable over the long-term
21:06:49 <mikerah[m]> unless there is a way to compress a wallet's cache file for these addresses
21:11:01 <sethsimmons> Could you time-lock or multisig outputs to automatically unlock at renewal time but allow the owner to spend them to themselves if they cancel?
21:16:45 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> <mikerah[m] "Is it possible to design a payme"> I love the idea but what are the implications if XMR prices (compared to fiat) remain volatile for years to come?
21:18:32 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> My hypothetical VPN subscription could cost me 10x more on renewal next year (in fiat terms) or it could cost 75% less
21:18:40 <mikerah[m]> Right
21:18:54 <mikerah[m]> If it were possible to build a stablecoin on top of monero, this problem would be solved
21:19:17 <mikerah[m]> Or the VPN provider can provide further discounts depending on the volatility of monero
21:25:34 <sethsimmons> Provider could just refund the diff in fiat price of subscription once the sub TX goes through
21:25:43 <sethsimmons> Obviously that requires trust in them but isn't a terrible UX
21:41:05 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> <sethsimmons "Provider could just refund the d"> Im also worried about the opposite problem. The merchant could be hurt if XMR prices fall substantially compared to levels when the subscription starts
21:41:29 <sethsimmons> They would just need to request more before continuing the sub
21:41:57 <sethsimmons> Would require some simple automation but wouldn't be too hard to watch a given subaddress matched to a sub cost and compare, then notify via email if too little
21:42:03 <sethsimmons> Then user needs to top up
21:44:53 <mikerah[m]> <sethsimmons "Would require some simple automa"> But IVPN doesn't require email.
21:45:31 <mikerah[m]> It would require perhaps letting a user know through their uniquely generated ID and a message can appear in the client, perhaps?
21:45:46 <sethsimmons> <mikerah[m] "It would require perhaps letting"> Yeah, some other notification if they don't collect any contact info
21:45:59 <sethsimmons> Next time they try to connect to VPN prompt them to top up due to sub being too little
21:46:12 <sethsimmons> And make them happy by telling them when you refunded them XMR due to price increasing :)
21:46:57 <nioc> I no longer have access to the wallet you refunded to
21:47:30 <u29601mg6ba93j[m> As an easy temporary fix, id be happy to pay for many services I use several years in advance (instead of monthly)
21:47:53 <sethsimmons> <u29601mg6ba93j[m "As an easy temporary fix, id be "> That can be pretty painful if price increases but I do generally take this approach.
21:48:23 <sethsimmons> it's well worth the privacy Monero gives me when transacting to take a risk on future fiat price increases in Monero.
21:48:30 <sethsimmons> But if you're really paranoid about that you can always spend and replace
21:58:17 <supus> https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1441.pdf
21:59:10 <supus> May be relevant. The user could pay on-demand with this (I think)
22:10:46 <mikerah[m]> Payment networks bring with them a host of complexities. That being said, if the moneor community built the equivalent of BTCPay with PayMo then IVPN would simply run a node and enable subscriptions using Monero