00:49:41 <sarang> Depending on timing, block density, and transaction structure, it is possible to try to link the transactions
00:49:56 <sarang> Esp. since the BTC transactions stand out
12:04:51 <I3^RELATIVISM> did monero ever considering implementing a dao gvornence system
12:08:42 <I3^RELATIVISM> maybe in the begining for smaller projects like lets say sekreta/kovri
12:10:25 <moneromooo> Define "a dao gvornence system". Apparently "DAO" has been used as a hype term for ridiculously trivial stuff that is nowhere near a DAO (ie, voting for who gets part of the emission).
14:01:21 <I3^RELATIVISM> I mean valorization of development with a contract token
14:01:39 <I3^RELATIVISM> like a token linked to git
14:38:31 <endogenic> the payout is still determined manually there I3^RELATIVISM isnt it?
14:38:39 <endogenic> why a new coin instead of monero
14:47:52 <I3^RELATIVISM> you could use monero codebase plus the gvornance code necessary to to implement such system
14:48:16 <I3^RELATIVISM> so yeah it would be a monero gvornance focused fork
14:48:56 <I3^RELATIVISM> <endogenic "the payout is still determined m"> it could be or it could be related to the holding of such coin
14:49:13 <I3^RELATIVISM> like a voting system
14:52:12 <endogenic> so... monero
14:52:41 <I3^RELATIVISM> yes based on monero blockchain yes
14:52:56 <endogenic> the human factor is important and you have to ask what on earth is contributed by the code rules you're thinking of
14:53:02 <endogenic> and what cases break them
14:53:10 <I3^RELATIVISM> true
14:53:24 <endogenic> it's basically like asking what if we automated the ccs right?
14:53:34 <endogenic> that's a very hard problem
14:53:49 <I3^RELATIVISM> but the important part is not that but the fact that the project is self-sustaining
14:54:03 <endogenic> monero has that
14:54:11 <endogenic> so far
14:54:27 <I3^RELATIVISM> not truly selfsustaining
14:54:28 <endogenic> you know the CCS, right? for now it works even if it has some attack vectors
14:54:37 <I3^RELATIVISM> just sponsored
14:54:50 <endogenic> well, ok
14:55:04 <I3^RELATIVISM> <endogenic "you know the CCS, right? for now"> never heard of it no
14:55:06 <endogenic> what do you think about writing down the rules you've got in mind?
14:55:13 <endogenic> as an informal paper
14:55:21 <endogenic> then bring back here for review?
14:55:33 <endogenic> ok do take a look at the Monero CCS
14:55:40 <endogenic> important to understand
14:55:48 <I3^RELATIVISM> that is not my propusal and that is not for me to decide alone
14:56:21 <endogenic> yeah but you need *some* contribution
14:56:31 <endogenic> otherwise it's kinda like asking a non question
14:56:35 <I3^RELATIVISM> Im moe focused on linking the git repositorie with evaluation, to have a reward system for development
14:56:39 <endogenic> more like an answer without a question
14:56:44 <endogenic> yes good
14:56:48 <endogenic> that's the hard part
14:57:03 <endogenic> i'm curious what you would do
14:57:18 <endogenic> maybe there's an innovation you have in your head
14:57:19 <I3^RELATIVISM> your are assuming Im not already working on it
14:57:29 <endogenic> but put it to paper to show your peers
15:00:46 <I3^RELATIVISM> I think it would be more help to you to take a more down to earth position it will be hard to learn from others with such inflated attitute of your self
15:00:52 <endogenic> ok
15:01:13 <endogenic> please PM me what i can learn from you
15:01:55 <I3^RELATIVISM> you just proven my point, I will wait for feedback from other room members
15:03:44 <endogenic> surely op will deliver
15:06:22 <moneromooo> You need to describe something first in order to get feedback on it (unless it's so totally braindead details aren't needed).
15:07:01 <endogenic> it must be the latter
15:07:04 <endogenic> :x
15:07:04 <moneromooo> I think that's what endogenic was getting at. Describe how you'd see somthing like this working.
15:07:44 <endogenic> yeah, people are genuinely curious
15:08:00 <endogenic> and it's not like they never thought of the idea before
15:08:27 <endogenic> so I3^RELATIVISM if you have something novel that people didnt consider or if you dont know if people considered it or not.. try to ask what you want to know about
15:10:00 <moneromooo> Doesn't to go down the details of even an informal paper, but at least broad strokes.
15:10:57 <endogenic> anything.
15:11:00 <moneromooo> And then people can ask for details on whatever part is not enough to talk about.
15:11:07 <sarang> This doesn't really seem research-related, TBH
15:16:31 <I3^RELATIVISM> its interesting the arrogance that such individuals that claim that want to learn have shown. cheers now. goldenboy complex
15:17:23 <sarang> I think this conversation is better suited for another channel or medium
15:17:39 <bearrorist> he is gone anyway
15:19:27 <moneromooo> I think it's the typical "I have it in my mind, and I expect others to read my mind" problem. Oh well.
15:19:41 <moneromooo> Didn't seem very polite anyway.