00:18:35 <[keybase] unseddd>: re: Kappos' work on zcash, am happy to see more open research on privacy. he seems like one of the good ones 00:58:53 Thanks everyone for feedback earlier on the proposal to research post-quantum strategies for Monero. Just submitted it to CCS - https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/142 01:42:55 <[keybase] unseddd>: Isthmus: the CCS looks like it only covers Insight (no outside researchers), is that correct? 01:45:26 Adam and myself would be the main people at Insight focusing on the research, though the CCS also covers the code and documentation reviewers. 01:47:46 (Arby's is on the way, so I might disappear soon) 01:48:17 <[keybase] unseddd>: for sure, looks like that won't be until the end of the project. will contribute then 07:57:49 @atoc @Isthmus Grin btc swap works with adaptor signature. The signature used on the bitcoin chain to redeem btc contain an adaptor for claiming the grin on the other chain. 07:59:06 If we can develop something like this with Monero signature scheme we might be able to use/adapt their scheme 08:02:20 If we can find a way to force the reveal of a private key in a bitcoin transaction the branch `dl-proof` in https://github.com/h4sh3d/xmr-btc-atomic-swap will work well I think 17:25:41 folks using my hardware, i have power issues here. gonna spin things down to conserve battery. wife has class to teach 18:18:37 Monthly research report: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/131#note_9896 18:32:22 Please post on Reddit as well :) 18:32:24 ^ sarang 18:35:47 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gb1euc/april_monthly_report_from_sarang_noether/ 18:35:48 [REDDIT] April monthly report from Sarang Noether (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 1 comments | Posted by SarangNoether | Created at 2020-04-30 - 18:35:08 18:36:09 good bot 18:39:11 ty 18:56:14 h4sh3d[m] if we use an adaptor signature like Grin, do we still need to force the reveal of a private key in a bitcoin transaction? 18:56:30 i.e is this one approach or two distinct possible approaches? 21:49:16 atoc: the 2 approaches are independent. but force revealing secret key in bitcoin has the advantage of not requiring a refund tx in the monero side, and as far as i understand it, u cant have a refund tx in monero 21:50:09 Non-interactive refund transactions are not supported in Monero 21:52:53 how would the interactive version of a refund transaction work? 21:53:30 Well, you could encode a refund address in the transaction (there are a few ways to do this), but that requires the recipient to initiate the refund (hence it being interactive) 21:53:39 and this is almost certainly not what you want :) 21:54:04 To have a refund that can be claimed by the original sender requires plumbing that is not currently possible 21:54:45 (see, e.g., the DLSAG preprint for a proposal related to this) 22:00:00 if btc was using schnorr, the missing half of a spending key in monero could be a schnorr signature in btc, like they do it in discreet log contracts 23:54:06 Just do it monero vs aeon first. Jump through all the hoops there first. One thing at a time. 23:54:32 This has been languishing for what, years now ? 23:54:52 how much do swaps get used between coins that have had swaps for a long time?