02:51:23 <gingeropolous> well decentralization is never the easiest or most practical solution to a problem
02:55:28 <gingeropolous> 51% unknown?
02:55:40 <gingeropolous> total miners: 49438
03:02:40 <selsta> gingeropolous: minexmr website has issues
03:04:33 <gingeropolous> ah, it dang ol dropped off the thing didnt it
03:04:48 <gingeropolous> thanks selsta
13:26:37 <hyc> got my M1 Macbook pro.
13:26:51 <hyc>  /randomx-benchmark --mine --init 8 --jit --secure --nonces 100000 --threads 8
13:27:06 <hyc> Memory initialized in 4.8494 s
13:27:16 <hyc> Performance: 2320.18 hashes per second
13:30:36 <gingeropolous> any #s for power draw?
13:32:32 <hyc> hmmm.
13:32:42 <hyc> I have a power meter around here somewhere, haven't used it in ages
13:32:48 <hyc> dunno if I canfind it
13:33:02 <hv-bridge> <\x> hyc put it on the database
13:33:09 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://xmrig.com/benchmark
13:33:42 <hv-bridge> <\x> if youre willing do a single thread run, im interested in that too, itll take time though
13:37:39 <hyc> 470.573H/s 1000 nonces 1 thread
13:37:56 <sech1> no, in xmrig
13:38:04 <sech1> ./xmrig --bench=1M -t 1 --submit
13:38:11 <hyc> ah
13:38:15 <hyc> haven't compiled that yet
13:38:24 <hyc> 911.174H 2 threads 2000 nonces
13:38:54 <hyc> 1254.48 3 threads 3000 nonces
13:39:15 <hv-bridge> <\x> ehemm sech1
13:39:20 <hyc> 1713.2 4 threads 4000 nonces
13:39:20 <hv-bridge> <\x> ./xmrig --bench=1M -t 1 --submit --user=hyc
13:39:36 <hv-bridge> <\x> for the maximum basedness
13:39:55 <hyc> 1972.44 5 threads 5000 nonces
13:40:09 <hyc> so there are only 4 high-perf cores, so perf tails off here
13:40:11 <hv-bridge> <\x> neway hyc im gonna wait for the results on xmrig's db
13:40:45 <hyc> 2140.84 6 threads 6000 nonces
13:41:11 <hyc> 2234.52 7 threads 7000 nonces
13:41:50 <hyc> 2335.6 8 threads 8000 nonces
13:41:55 <hyc> I'll get xmrig now
13:42:32 <sech1> Interesting that hashrate increases from 6 to 8 threads
13:42:51 <sech1> Apple M1 has 4 fast cores with 12 MB cache + 4 efficient cores with 4 MB cache
13:42:57 <sech1> so 6 threads should be optimal
13:45:10 <hv-bridge> <\x> 4 threads on monero, 4 threads on wownero
13:45:20 <hv-bridge> <\x> whatchu think sech1?
13:45:42 <sech1> maybe
13:46:00 <sech1> but if you look at threads here: https://xmrig.com/benchmark/58FCwe
13:46:08 <sech1> all threads have the same hashrate, weird
13:49:34 <hyc> xmrig --bench wants a config.json
13:57:03 <hv-bridge> <\x> ./xmrig --bench=1M -t 1 --submit --user=hyc
13:57:06 <hv-bridge> <\x> try this
13:57:16 <hv-bridge> <\x> ./xmrig --bench=1M --submit --user=hyc
13:57:21 <hv-bridge> <\x> --user is optional
13:57:33 <hv-bridge> <\x> but itll be nice to see on the leaderboards eh
13:57:52 <hyc> got it going
13:57:58 <hyc> 487.2H/s so far
13:58:01 <hyc> 5.9%
13:58:10 <hv-bridge> <\x> yeah it needs to hash 1 million :p
13:58:29 <hv-bridge> <\x> verification on xmrig's side also takes time
13:58:42 <hv-bridge> <\x> he verifies 1 thread with like 800 h/s cpu
13:58:50 <hyc> basically ~same as randomx-benchmark
13:58:58 <hv-bridge> <\x> 1t bench isnt the same as nT bench on xmrig
13:59:38 <hv-bridge> <\x> sech1  did special sauce on it to prevent cheating on 1t since 1t xmrig benchmarking is like kinda competetive
14:00:13 <hyc> eh, --submit doesn't work
14:00:21 <hv-bridge> <\x> extreme memory setups, some cpus even had to do it on cold, the 5800X there is on cold, -60C
14:00:23 <hyc> benchmark failed: "Unknown CPU."
14:00:30 <hv-bridge> <\x> sech1 ^^
14:02:15 <sech1> this needs an update then: https://github.com/xmrig/xmrig/commit/8faef28e7da5cff809778269ca62a328aa05fed0
14:03:03 <hyc> what does that mean, Apple M1 on Linux? this is running MacOSX
14:06:52 <hyc> hmm. I built without hwloc before. just added hwloc, that seems to make it happier
14:07:10 <sech1> always build with hwloc for benchmark
14:07:58 <hyc> still 487H/s for 1T
14:09:44 <hv-bridge> <\x> damn sech1
14:09:50 <hv-bridge> <\x> xmrig benchmarks is uhh
14:09:55 <hv-bridge> <\x> i mean a lot uses it now
14:10:04 <hv-bridge> <\x> i thought itll just be a meme feature lmao
14:10:36 <sech1> benchmark_XX.cmd in xmrig folder probably helps
14:11:35 <hv-bridge> <\x> it also got added on ddr4 oc guide
14:11:54 <hyc> lol that's excellent
14:11:59 <hyc> and makes perfect sense
14:12:17 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://github.com/integralfx/MemTestHelper/blob/master/DDR4%20OC%20Guide.md
14:12:21 <hv-bridge> <\x> ctrl f xmrig
14:12:49 <sech1> I won't be satisfied until Anandtech adds it to their CPU benchmark suite
14:13:11 <hv-bridge> <\x> he benched it last time but he did it wrong
14:13:15 <hyc> have people sugested that to them already?
14:13:23 <hyc> how can he do it wrong
14:13:33 <hv-bridge> <\x> he didnt run as admin
14:13:42 <hv-bridge> <\x> cpus untuned too
14:13:44 <hyc> meh. I'm not running as admin right now
14:13:47 <hyc> doh
14:13:56 <hv-bridge> <\x> on x86 running as admin matters a lot
14:14:02 <hv-bridge> <\x> need wrmsr
14:14:06 <hyc> must be a windows thing
14:14:10 <hv-bridge> <\x> nah
14:14:14 <hv-bridge> <\x> wrmsr
14:14:21 <hv-bridge> <\x> need to change a few msrs
14:14:55 <hv-bridge> <\x> i think we he ran it at first hugepages didnt kick in too
14:15:06 <hyc> no hugepages on maxos
14:15:13 <hyc> but IIRC M1 uses 64KB pages
14:15:51 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJWnpn7p1hc
14:16:03 <hyc> will find out when I start testing LMDB
14:19:11 <hv-bridge> <\x> ah yeah about that sech1
14:19:22 <hv-bridge> <\x> i think hwbot is willing to add xmrig on it now
14:19:33 <hv-bridge> <\x> i talked to them last time with my alt there
14:19:49 <hv-bridge> <\x> benchmate also willing to add it once in hwbot
14:19:55 <hyc> hm. hashrate just took a dive. 269.8
14:20:45 <hv-bridge> <\x> warning, image dumps
14:20:47 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834795875368566794/unknown.png
14:20:57 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834795916728860683/unknown.png
14:21:26 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834796041663545437/unknown.png
14:21:38 <hv-bridge> <\x> neway, sech1 hwbot forum or email them
14:22:11 <hv-bridge> <\x> im not doing it man, you two (xmrig, sech1) are the devs for it, i think you two have to "plzbro" them
14:22:52 <hyc> who are you, not an xmrig project guy?
14:23:00 <hv-bridge> <\x> benchmate dev, mat also seems to be willing to add it
14:23:11 <hv-bridge> <\x> hyc? me? im basically just a loiterer around here
14:23:16 <hyc> ah
14:23:24 <hyc> hashrate has recovered to 458
14:23:35 <hv-bridge> <\x> though im the one who shilled randomx stressing to overclockers
14:23:36 <hyc> still down from where it was. no idea what changed
14:23:58 <hv-bridge> <\x> which is not actually a meme on zen2, its actually the best way to stress amd's fclk
14:23:59 <moneromooo> Getting hot and throttling ?
14:24:15 <hyc> machine doesn't feel much warmer
14:24:26 <hyc> seems to have no fan. no fan noise
14:24:33 <hv-bridge> <\x> neway sech1, yeah, i wanna see the day xmrig is on hwbot 🙂
14:24:38 <moneromooo> I remember reading it doesn't have fans and needs throttling to do so.
14:24:44 <selsta> hyc: it does have a fan
14:24:49 <selsta> the Pro at least
14:25:01 <hyc> 13" macbook pro. dead silent
14:25:32 <hyc> if I put my ear on the touchpad I can hear the ocean
14:26:09 <hv-bridge> <\x> getting it on hwbot is huge
14:26:24 <hv-bridge> <\x> anandtech's cpu suite is meh compared to hwbot
14:27:00 <hv-bridge> <\x> hwbot is more for competetive oc and world records though so idk if you dont see it as hella based
14:30:25 <hv-bridge> <\x> seems somebody also already asked about it that isnt me back then sech1
14:30:35 <hv-bridge> <\x> though he asked benchmate dev to just look at it
14:30:44 <hv-bridge> <\x> benchmate is not gonna dd it if its not on hwbot first
14:30:47 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834798390964650005/unknown.png
14:31:14 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834798507209916446/unknown.png
14:35:53 <hyc> heading out for a bit. bench should finish before I get back
14:40:24 <hv-bridge> <\x> sech1: benchmate kinda solves the offline benchmark issue, you can have a look on what benchmate is
14:40:36 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://benchmate.org/
14:41:03 <hv-bridge> <\x> itll also dumb down a lot of things, like adding extra tweaks, core affinities etc
14:41:27 <DaveyJones> 4:24 PM <hyc> if I put my ear on the touchpad I can hear the ocean
14:41:28 <DaveyJones> the new iCean *ba dum ssst*
15:24:14 <hyc> benchmark submitted
15:24:16 <hyc> https://xmrig.com/benchmark/2AYxHc
15:27:07 <hyc> starting -t 2 931.2H/s
15:27:21 <hyc> I suppose it will throttle at some point as well
15:53:47 <hv-bridge> <\x> well if you really have the time for it then sure :p
15:53:59 <hv-bridge> <\x> i only wanted to see 1t and nT
15:54:02 <hyc> there was no sign of throttling in the intermediate results
15:54:09 <hyc> but it posted a final result of 743.4
15:54:21 <hv-bridge> <\x> but yeah if youre doing a brake-in its not bad :p
15:54:25 <hyc> https://xmrig.com/benchmark/65pY8a
15:55:05 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://xmrig.com/benchmark/recent
15:55:30 <hv-bridge> <\x> its faster than my core2duo machine
15:55:51 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=Intel%28R%29+Core%28TM%292+Duo+CPU+P8600+%40+2.40GHz
15:56:04 <hv-bridge> <\x> dual core penryn 2.4GHz
15:56:14 <hyc> that's a pretty old chip anyway
15:56:22 <hv-bridge> <\x> yeah
15:56:39 <hv-bridge> <\x> the only reason i keep it is cuz its memed
15:56:52 <hv-bridge> <\x> its the last thinkpad that can boot and run without intel ME
15:57:12 <hv-bridge> <\x> i did a few mods on it over the years
15:57:41 <hv-bridge> <\x> coreboot with no iME, nvme m.2 ssd adapted to mini pcie, newest wifi card
15:57:49 <hyc> not bad
15:58:07 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/81119687#p81140428
15:58:15 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://i.4cdn.org/g/1618370485501.jpg
15:58:28 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834820460289064970/1618370682730.png
15:58:29 <hyc> I still have my Intel quad-core dinosaur qx9300
15:58:31 <hv-bridge> <\x> nvme on pcie 1.0 x1
15:58:35 <hyc> no nvme
15:58:45 <hv-bridge> <\x> sata2 is faster
15:58:51 <hv-bridge> <\x> but not in 4k random read/write
15:58:56 <hv-bridge> <\x> nvme wins that
15:59:14 <hyc> yeah most times random I/O is more important
16:03:43 <hv-bridge> <\x> you can put nvme on most of the laptops of that era
16:03:48 <hv-bridge> <\x> issue is making it bootable
16:04:03 <hv-bridge> <\x> you can chainload it though like via grub or clover
16:04:17 <hv-bridge> <\x> or if coreboot is available then its easy peasy
16:04:42 <hyc> it's a Dell Precision M4400 - built like a tank
16:04:54 <hyc> with a beautiful WLED 1920x1200 screen
16:05:03 <hyc> that's the reason I still have it
16:05:11 <hv-bridge> <\x> thats highend for that era
16:05:12 <hyc> but it maxed out at 8GB RAM, so a bit painful to use
16:05:52 <hv-bridge> <\x> yeah
16:06:13 <hv-bridge> <\x> fairly slow ram too like ddr2-800 / ddr3-1066
16:06:20 <hyc> yeah ddr2
16:06:24 <hv-bridge> <\x> you can raise fsb at best but needs hw modifications
16:06:51 <hv-bridge> <\x> yeah you can adapt an nvme on this one
16:06:55 <hv-bridge> <\x> looking at the board
16:07:27 <hyc> mini-pci slot?
16:07:33 <hv-bridge> <\x> mini pcie
16:07:44 <hv-bridge> <\x> you need to buy a 2230/2242 m.2 ssd
16:07:53 <hyc> yeah those are hardly worth the trouble
16:07:57 <hv-bridge> <\x> then an msata to m.2, its wired the same
16:08:39 <hv-bridge> <\x> if it has expresscard, then that can be used too
16:08:54 <hv-bridge> <\x> expresscard to nvme, itll sit flush on the device
16:09:12 <hyc> yeah has expresscard
16:09:22 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=627243558992
16:09:32 <hyc> I have a USB3 card in there right now
16:09:36 <hv-bridge> <\x> youre chinese roght, youll be able to read reviews
16:09:52 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005002023877404.html
16:09:57 <hv-bridge> <\x> see both of them
16:11:16 <hyc> [M&T3makes sense
16:11:31 <hv-bridge> <\x> expresscard is just pcie
16:11:33 <hv-bridge> <\x> heh
16:11:35 <hyc> so basically this is just a connector converter
16:11:39 <hv-bridge> <\x> yep
16:11:52 <hv-bridge> <\x> after this you just need to figure out bootability
16:12:01 <hv-bridge> <\x> grub/clover will do
16:12:37 <hv-bridge> <\x> though you can always just use it as any other drive
16:12:45 <hv-bridge> <\x> maybe mount / on it
16:14:55 <hv-bridge> <\x> for upgrades, you can still get a core 2 quad extreme for it, but ehh who cares, but yeah its doable
16:15:29 <hyc> right, just don't care. no hw AES
16:15:59 <hyc> 3 threads https://xmrig.com/benchmark/4hCkpY
16:20:39 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834826042320879626/unknown.png
16:20:47 <hv-bridge> <\x> a 2242 will fit on the wwan slot
16:20:53 <hv-bridge> <\x> needs to be adapted though
16:22:50 <hv-bridge> <\x> lel wrong image
16:22:51 <hv-bridge> <\x> here
16:22:54 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834826607549349898/unknown.png
16:42:42 <hyc> hm yeah I think my wwan slot is still empty
16:44:43 <hyc> https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/663/479465
16:44:54 <hyc> smart NICs to accelerate blockchain ops ?
16:46:15 <hyc> 4 threads 1722.8h/s https://www.brighttalk.com/webcast/663/479465
16:46:22 <hv-bridge> <\x> the adapter is uhh "msata to ngff"  its wired the same
16:46:26 <hyc> doh. https://xmrig.com/benchmark/6VHsmS
16:46:29 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://lewd.pics/p/O9eM.jpg
16:46:55 <hyc> single slot supports both msata and nvme?
16:46:55 <hv-bridge> <\x> its like 2~3$
16:47:04 <hv-bridge> <\x> nah
16:47:07 <hv-bridge> <\x> its like this
16:47:23 <hv-bridge> <\x> before sandy bridge intel offered pcie + usb on mini pcie slots
16:47:42 <hv-bridge> <\x> with sandy and ivy bridge intel offered msata+usb and pcie+usb on mini pcie slots
16:48:15 <hv-bridge> <\x> i dont know any of pre sandy bridge laptops that offers msata
16:50:19 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284248748727
16:51:05 <hv-bridge> <\x> you might need to remove bios whitelisting though
16:51:17 <hv-bridge> <\x> somebody likely has modded it for the m4400
16:55:06 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://lewd.pics/p/zNHw.jpg
16:58:56 <hv-bridge> <\x> you can check if it has a bios whitelist by putting any unsupported wifi card on the wwan slot
16:59:13 <hv-bridge> <\x> if it complains at boot then bios needs to be modded
17:02:50 <hv-bridge> <\x> "No wifi cards are whitelisted."
17:02:57 <hv-bridge> <\x> according to techinferno thread
17:03:38 <hv-bridge> <\x> so.. i guess youre good to go but maybe do more research if you really want to put an nvme on a c2q laptop :p
17:08:14 <hv-bridge> <\x> http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/precision-m4400-owners-lounge-part-2.425222/page-57#post-9756067
17:11:53 <hyc> heh
17:12:43 <hyc> 5 threads 2004.6H/s https://xmrig.com/benchmark/Y3qiM
17:25:31 <hv-bridge> <\x> hyc this is much more based though https://forum.51nb.com/thread-1997148-1-1.html
17:28:11 <selsta> hyc: still no fan during all this benchmarking?
17:29:08 <hv-bridge> <\x> lol
17:29:36 <hv-bridge> <\x> the first hours of getting the machine is the time he benchmarked thread by thread damn
17:30:00 <hv-bridge> <\x> now the next meme is finding the best core with affinities
17:30:08 <hv-bridge> <\x> though thats too much lmao
17:30:29 <hyc> lol
17:30:53 <hyc> 6 threads 2179.9h/s https://xmrig.com/benchmark/5yLsWg
17:30:54 <hv-bridge> <\x> it does matter though, but yeah this is too much
17:31:10 <hyc> and yes, running benchmarks is all I do with any newly acquired machine
17:31:22 <hv-bridge> <\x> like the top 10900kf on xmrig benchmark site binned cores for it
17:31:39 <hv-bridge> <\x> since some cores are physically closer to the memory / memory controller
17:31:52 <hyc> I used to mess with thread affinity for openldap benchmarking too but yeah it's a bit too tedious
17:32:11 <hyc> but at the same time it can yield big payoffs
17:32:44 <hv-bridge> <\x> theres two guys that were competetively benching their 10900k's back then, theyre out of core clock, out of memory clock, the other guy basically won just by binned cores
17:32:59 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834844244962312282/unknown.png
17:33:01 <hv-bridge> <\x> 8 h/s
17:33:04 <hv-bridge> <\x> lmao
17:33:52 <hyc> what's the diff between K and KF ?
17:33:59 <hv-bridge> <\x> F has no igpu
17:34:10 <hv-bridge> <\x> same die but igpou disabled
17:34:56 <hyc> aha. so more thermal headroom :P
17:35:12 <hv-bridge> <\x> the 10900k guy also disabled his igpu
17:35:37 <hyc> is that an equivalent disabling tho... totally power gated, or not
17:35:49 <hv-bridge> <\x> im not sure
17:37:58 <hv-bridge> <\x> both did bin cores it looks like
17:38:00 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://xmrig.com/benchmark/35F6jB
17:38:04 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://xmrig.com/benchmark/4p7YoP
17:38:13 <hv-bridge> <\x> see threads, affinity
17:39:16 <hv-bridge> <\x> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725316395428085831/834845824587399188/unknown.png
17:39:19 <hv-bridge> <\x> he binned with superpi
17:39:25 <hv-bridge> <\x> the 10900kf guy
17:39:50 <hv-bridge> <\x> core 4 is the best core for him so he affined to that
17:40:51 <hyc> 7 threads 2273.6  https://xmrig.com/benchmark/3waJhc
17:48:40 <hv-bridge> <\x> 8 threads done too
17:48:46 <hv-bridge> <\x> core binning time lmao
17:48:54 <hv-bridge> <\x> waste hours and hours binning cores
17:49:03 <hyc> 8 threads 2382.5 https://xmrig.com/benchmark/rskzp
17:49:10 <hyc> yeah I don't care enough to bin individual cores
17:50:51 <hyc> ooo. someone benched an Opteron 6386
17:55:45 <hyc> ok I was wrong. M1 is using 16KB pages, not 64KB
17:55:54 <hyc> ... moved on to LMDB testing now
17:56:06 <hyc> which is boring, because it all Just Works
17:57:20 <hv-bridge> <\x> sech1: you emailed hwbot yet?
17:57:26 <hv-bridge> <\x> maaan, fucking do it plez