00:01:02 <NickvanSaberhagn> <moneromooo> “I don't get the botnet deterrence thing. They're doing a public good instead of what nefarious thing htey'd otherwise to.” Because the more profitable Monero is for botnets ostensibly the more people will try to acquire them. Hardening the PoW against botnets may help reduce the economy for them.
00:12:32 <sech1> As someone said, this is a free security audit for server admins and home users
04:47:35 <NickvanSaberhagn> @
04:48:54 <NickvanSaberhagn> Gingeropolous: Are you guys saying that there’s some talk to increase the 2GB memory requirement for RandomX to stop botnets and/or people like the Azure hacker from dominating the network?
04:49:53 <NickvanSaberhagn> Because as much as a romantic as I am to allow people to mine with their 10 year old pc I definitely would love to harden the network against another Azure thingy
09:13:54 <sech1> Azure servers have way way more than 4 GB RAM, especially the ones that were used (EPYC servers)
09:14:37 <sech1> Increasing 2 GB to 4 GB will only cut away the old crappy PCs that do 1 kh/s
09:16:29 <sech1> Paradoxically, increasing to 4 GB will make the network more vulnerable to cloud mining
09:17:49 <sech1> But it will have to be done especially when 5nm/3nm chips become common because they can have 2 GB on chip (or spread across several chips with fast interconnect like Linzhi did for ETHash)
12:44:22 <NickvanSaberhagn> Gotcha thanks
14:03:20 <hyc> yes, it's inevitable that we'll need to increase it, and some old generations of PCs will be left behind
15:40:57 <gingeropolous> sech1> But it will have to be done especially when 5nm/3nm chips become common because they can have 2 GB on chip (or spread across several chips with fast interconnect like Linzhi did for ETHash) >>> but again, if this is happening, then it will probably also be happening in the commodity HW space as well?
15:41:50 <gingeropolous> or do you think there will be a gap between when a "custom monero CPU" will have a financial incentive and when the market will be ready for a CPU with massive on chip cache
15:44:11 <sech1> Dual EPYC system already has 512 MB cache between 2 CPUs, so...
18:01:15 <NickvanSaberhagn> Wow. Is there a known hash rate of a dual EPYC system?
18:11:52 <sech1> Up to 100 kh/s: https://xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=AMD+Eng+Sample%3A+100-000000053-04_32%2F20_N
18:12:33 <moneromooo> Holy me that's a lot :|
20:00:28 <NickvanSaberhagn> How do you know this ANN M D
20:00:42 <NickvanSaberhagn> AMD eng sample is a dual EPYC?
20:31:49 <sech1> Family: 17 / Model: 31 / Stepping: 0
20:31:53 <sech1> 2 CPUs
21:43:11 <gingeropolous> still "only" 400 h/s per thread
23:53:32 <NickvanSaberhagn> Dang now I want a dual EPYC hobbyist mining rig
23:56:13 <NickvanSaberhagn> Wow at $2500/CPU you definitely get better bang for your buck with multiple old 3950x CPUs
23:57:16 <NickvanSaberhagn> https://www.ebay.com/itm/MINT-AMD-EPYC-64-Core-7702-2GHZ-256MB-128T-Processor-100-000000038-Like-7742-CPU/184376897995