00:03:02 <hyc> Ah, can always use the clickbait headline trick. "Has RandomX Been ASIC'd?"
01:40:11 <gingeropolous> nice
01:45:46 <hyc> https://twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1366565303900078081
01:46:28 <gingeropolous> nice. we need a cointelegraph article
01:48:06 <gingeropolous> should find a way to incorporate our incredibly complicated looking at and typing into IRC the stats from miningpoolstats
01:48:46 <gingeropolous> i think sech1 got the last ATH : <sech1> Miners 72116
01:49:30 <gingeropolous> missed a golden "is it true" opportunity there
01:49:37 <hyc> doh
01:49:47 <gingeropolous> "Monero's RandomX defeated by ASICs: Is it True?"
01:49:58 <hyc> you're right
01:50:15 <hyc> but I'd overrun the tweet character limit with that and the rest
01:52:25 <gingeropolous> "We interviewed many in the monero community about the disturbing news that RandomX had been defeated. One user, eatsmypants24, said "I always thought RandomX was an inside job by a bunch of AMD insiders that were profiting off of all the EPYC processors they had in their pants." Lead contributor fluffynioc said "Well, I guess we tried it, and now its time to use proof of pocket calculator" The team is awash in misery as the one last hop
01:52:25 <gingeropolous> truly decentralized cryptocurrency crumbled to dust before their eyes"
01:52:52 <hyc> lol
01:53:37 <hyc> y'know, we should feed the old discussion https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/316 into gpt-3 and generate some posts
03:45:27 <geonic> here comes SHA-3
04:19:21 <NickvanSaberhagn> Just a thought experiment, but what if Monero gets so popular that it becomes bigger than Bitcoin is today. Wouldn’t it be tempting for some government to get Intel/AMD to install a central control, similar to how SHA256 chip fab producers today could secretly be putting code into Bitcoin ASICs?
04:20:38 <NickvanSaberhagn> I guess it’s best of whatever options we have? Interested to hear your his thoughts. I love RandomX!
04:50:58 <gingeropolous> one possibility in that scenario could be an increased demand for older processors that don't have the spyware. if indeed monero is that popular, it would not be profitable for cpu producers to do that kind of stuff, because people might not buy the processors
04:51:04 <gingeropolous> so there's an economic thing perhaps
05:30:32 <gingeropolous> total miners 75980
05:30:43 <gingeropolous> minexmr.com 36.4
05:31:07 <gingeropolous> ah i refreshed and it went down to 73772
14:05:01 <hyc> NickvanSaberhagn: there's already secret control processors inside every Intel chip. Still not inside all AMD chips, afaik.
14:06:33 <hv-bridge> <\x> ryzen has it i think but im not sure hyc
14:07:02 <hv-bridge> <\x> on ryzen its like, an amr core (psp they call it) is what intializes and trains dram and pcie
14:07:05 <hv-bridge> <\x> its a black box
14:07:38 <hv-bridge> <\x> and yep, an arm core is doing memory training for x86, really weird.
14:11:06 <hyc> yep but actually not surprising. Even Intol uses an ARMv5 core - because they know they can'ttrust their own core for security-sensitive work.
14:56:48 <hyc> I wonder if anyone has written any meaningful programs using the randomX instruction set yet
14:58:14 <hyc> e.g. implement quicksort
21:37:23 <NickvanSaberhagn> What other coins have implemented RandomX?
21:37:51 <NickvanSaberhagn> Something called loki? The coin that helped pay for one of the audits?
21:38:09 <sech1> https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
21:38:13 <sech1> the list is on the left
21:38:18 <sech1> Loki forked to PoS
21:38:43 <sech1> Arweave paid for one of the audits
21:39:11 <sech1> they should still be using RandomX, but they're not on the list there
23:04:41 <NickvanSaberhagn> Dang I had no idea there were so many