13:45:55 <hyc> that would mean they're learning ;)
13:47:49 <sech1> nope, no signs of solo minings
13:47:58 <sech1> 7 unknown blocks in the last 100, this is norm
13:48:09 <sech1> most of these unknown blocks are from f2pool
14:13:53 <gingeropolous> then where'd he go
14:14:13 <sethsimmons> Got kicked off Azure, I would imagine
14:14:23 <sethsimmons> Maybe they finally read the reports
16:47:33 <gingeropolous> ok, so what parameters could be tweaked to incentivise solo mining
16:50:05 <gingeropolous> locktimes would just drive pps etc
16:51:36 <gingeropolous> unless you put like 1 yr locktimes on them
16:52:35 <moneromooo> 100 years. Mine to provide a future for your grandchildren!
16:52:40 <gingeropolous> i dunno. my head keeps going to the notion that the more time you put between the activity and the incentive, the more honest the miners would be
16:53:01 <gingeropolous> yeah thats crazy but that could be it
16:53:08 <UkoeHB_> before checking the PoW for a block, force the miner to add a signature on the block with the one-time address in the miner tx; quick way to drive network hash rate into the dirt!
16:53:11 <gingeropolous> i mean, right now that'd run into friction with the emission curve
16:53:28 <gingeropolous> but for the tail, perhaps a different story
16:54:14 <gingeropolous> but then you effectively remove any incentive to mine, but maintain an attack surface in the form of a low network hr
16:54:50 <gingeropolous> yah know cause mr. azure can just come in with 900 gajillion h/s
16:56:30 <UkoeHB_> yep if you prevent pool mining then you just encourage plantation mining
16:58:26 <moneromooo> Is that... a pun ?
17:00:52 <sech1> To incentivize solo mining, we need 10x more blocks/day. Only then smaller miners would have chance to mine a block.
17:17:08 <gingeropolous> well could always bring back 1 min blocks
17:17:10 <jwinterm> >the more honest the miners would be
17:17:20 <jwinterm> what does that mean? less likely to 51% attack?
17:17:37 <gingeropolous> indeed, that was the backsplanation for tft's choice of 1 min blocks
18:36:40 <xmrpow> Would it be possible to keep the network in sync with a 15s block time ?
18:36:43 <xmrpow> Like eth does.
18:37:03 <xmrpow> Or would it be too much bloat.
19:31:05 <xmrpow> When im looking at eth blockchain size it s probably too much bloat ;)
19:31:55 <asymptotically> xmr already switched from a 1 minute block time to a 2 minute block time target
19:32:12 <asymptotically> eth gets a ton of orphans, but they're a feature so they call them "uncles" instead :P
19:33:01 <xmrpow> Do you know why xmr devs opted for 2 min instead of one 1min?
19:33:37 <xmrpow> Is it just about blockchain size and orphans?
19:54:29 <gingeropolous> it was mostly about orphan rate
19:54:37 <xmrpow> ok
19:54:51 <gingeropolous> and the fact that the 1 min blocktime was chosen by tft because fast blocktimes were all the rage in 2014
19:55:07 <gingeropolous> so there was no rational reason for 1 min
19:58:50 <xmrpow> Have there been thoughts about increasing the block time to 10 mins like btc?
20:01:20 <hyc> that would be a major regression
20:01:37 <xmrpow> why?
20:01:38 <niocbrrrrrr> Don't think so, when to move from 1 minute happened 4 minutes was also considered
20:01:59 <xmrpow> It would reduce blockchain size...
20:02:09 <asymptotically> would it? the transactions take up most of the space
20:02:44 <xmrpow> ok but wouldnt it reduce some metadata, that is always stored although the blocks are empty
20:05:16 <asymptotically> a few hundred bytes for the actual block. more when it goes into the database
20:05:26 <asymptotically> seems like we don't get many empty blocks now though, which is nice