12:38:02 <sech1> I have a strong suspicion that CN/R _was_ ASIC'd at some point, but on a small scale. Around 10% of pre-fork network were ASICs or some other high efficient hardware.
12:39:21 <sech1> Sumokoin stayed on CN/R, it has 37 MH/s nethash now and is unprofitable even on Vega: https://whattomine.com/coins/196-sumo-cryptonightr?utf8=%E2%9C%93&hr=2200.0&p=180.0&fee=0.0&cost=0.05&hcost=0.0&commit=Calculate
12:41:06 <sech1> So if it's unprofitable on Vega, then who mines it? Even farms with "free" electricity could just switch to ETH and get more rewards.
12:43:26 <gingeropolous> wow
12:43:30 <gingeropolous> " First,   the   ASIC,   enclosing machine, and datacenter can be code-signed.  This  eliminates  the  need  to worry  about  varying  customer  envi-ronments  (temperature,  customs  cer-tification,  220-V/110-V  compatibility, setup  and  tech  support,  shipping  and returns,  warranties,  and  so  on)  and enabling  new  cost,  energy-efficiency, and performance optimizations."
12:43:39 <gingeropolous> so ASIC decentralization is a complete myth
12:43:43 <gingeropolous> https://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~mbtaylor/papers/Taylor_Bitcoin_IEEE_Computer_2017.pdf
12:44:17 <sech1> add some user stories to the mix: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5210117.0
12:44:30 <sech1> This is why it's too early to even think about switching to ASICs
12:47:52 <selsta> gingeropolous: What do they mean with code signed?
13:31:12 <gingeropolous> selsta, i dunno. i assume some sort of data center industrial thing
13:53:16 <fort3hlulz> Ive never heard that term in my life
13:53:28 <fort3hlulz> And I've worked in datacenters my whole career
13:53:36 <fort3hlulz> code-signing a DC?
13:53:50 <fort3hlulz> Reading the paper now
13:55:31 <fort3hlulz> Yeah I have no clue what hes talkin gabout lmao
13:56:38 <fort3hlulz> The phrasing is implying that Bitmain and BitFury just mine in their own DCs which would make sense
14:03:35 <moneromooo> I think it probably means "designed alongside each other".
14:04:30 <selsta> co-designed
14:04:54 <fort3hlulz> ahhh
14:04:54 <selsta> code signed :D
14:04:59 <fort3hlulz> Now that makes more sense
14:05:00 <fort3hlulz> lmao
14:05:14 <fort3hlulz> What a weird tyypo
14:05:32 <selsta> linebreak
14:05:38 <moneromooo> It's probably not a typo, but a line switch marker. see how envi-ronments is too.
14:07:54 <gingeropolous> ah
14:14:11 <fort3hlulz> makes much more sense
14:50:50 <tevador> Aeon: 91% of hashrate comes from one pool: https://miningpoolstats.stream/aeon
14:50:59 <tevador> was it like this before the fork?
15:08:06 <sech1> Aeon: 100% of hashrate comes from 34 miners
15:12:48 <hyc> hard to still take Aeon seriously. Wownero has overtaken the role of Monero experimental net
15:13:32 <rottensox> mind if i ask... is that because of asics solely, or there's other reasons?
15:57:01 <Inge-> sech1: and XMV just went CN/R
15:57:14 <sech1> waaat
15:57:17 <Inge-> or no they went "RandomV"
15:57:22 <sech1> oh yes
15:57:27 <Inge-> it was italocoin that was CN/R
15:57:30 <sech1> it's RandomX but with a V
15:57:34 <Inge-> I'm sorry, I'm getting my shitcoins in a twist
15:57:37 <sech1> no changes in parameters
15:58:48 <hyc> So we'll see how big or small a network has to be before it becomes a target of roving hashrate
15:59:46 <hyc> I was pretty convinced that someone was gaming the Monero difficulty algorithm, throwing a big mining farm at the network
15:59:55 <sech1> they're still doing it
15:59:56 <hyc> driving the difficulty up, and then going away for a few hours
16:00:07 <sech1> I'm seeing swings between 750 and 1300 MH/s on 60-blocks moving average
16:00:47 <gingeropolous> i still wanna find a way to easily track aws spot
16:00:49 <sech1> it has stabilized a bit in the last few days though
16:00:51 <hyc> that only gets easier for them, the more CPU-oriented coins there are. they can keep making a profit from their hardware, just retarget to different coins and circle back later
16:01:23 <sech1> MoneroOcean fucks XMV already
16:01:30 <sech1> with more hashrate than their entire network
16:01:45 <sech1> and it's all automatic at this point
16:03:07 <hyc> there goes peer again, resetting people's connections...
16:08:49 <nssy> sech: On CN/R increase in sumokoin could be coming from dead miners in monero pools being diverted.
16:09:39 <nssy> I remember minexmr admin showing some stats of miners that haven't updated. Pools could just be diverting all this to sumokoin.
16:15:43 <hyc> sure why wouldn't they
16:16:05 <wow-discord> <sech1> Oh right. I know for a fact that xmrig redirects all cn/r donation traffic to sumo.
18:05:32 <binaryFate> So a single coordinated entity would have ~600MH/s? Not the most comforting thing to know
18:07:52 <gingeropolous> it could be a single entity, or it could be multiple entities that have the same scripts
18:08:37 <gingeropolous> if you control a large swath of compute, you could automate when to mine etc. watch price and network diff etc
18:08:55 <gingeropolous> presumably these parameters would be similar for many actors
18:09:12 <gingeropolous> but yes, simpler solution is one entity
19:38:19 <sech1> I don't think a single entity has 600 MH/s. Moving 60-block average can swing +-20% just because of luck variation.
19:38:33 <sech1> But someone certainly has 100 MH/s.
19:40:35 <tevador> 600 MH/s would easily make TOP 5 supercomputer list