05:02:02 <oavmqgwxt> For a community that prides itself on manipulating people, you can't manage a single guy that spends most of his time in his underpants :D
12:48:17 <mbxojuujellr> There are multiple psychological hooks to keep Monero community members in place. Here is one:
12:48:18 <mbxojuujellr> https://vimeo.com/272691039
12:48:18 <mbxojuujellr> Notice that Scientologists don't stand on street corners saying "Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour, Xenu?"
12:48:18 <mbxojuujellr> Put yourself instead in the shoes of someone who spent $10,000 and 2-3 years of their life on their courses
12:48:18 <mbxojuujellr> And you get a bunch of bad sci-fi - you have two choices:
12:48:18 <mbxojuujellr> - either swallow a very bitter pill that you wasted a pile of money and a portion of your life
12:48:19 <mbxojuujellr> - or swallow the sci-fi, and from that point on, you will swallow _anything_ they tell you.
12:48:20 <mbxojuujellr> In the cult trade that's called "insider doctrine".
12:48:20 <mbxojuujellr> Would you like to talk about our Lord and Saviour of NASA, Howard Chu?
12:48:20 <mbxojuujellr> https://medium.com/@crypto_ryo/senior-nasa-engineer-calls-out-howard-chu-hyc-symas-monero-developer-on-being-a-fraud-db0b46688041
13:15:36 <francolio[m]> Not sure if this is the right place for this...but...  I'm a past software engineer I like Monero.  Monero would benefit from many more polished UXs out there.  I would like to pursue/fund a Status.im like application/system/community with Monero (and something like Wire?) as a base.  Think: no-metadata chat, language, value transfer in real time.  I have a little road map worked out but I'm wondering if this effort
13:15:36 <francolio[m]> exists in the community already (I believe it needs to be an actual commercial effort - happy to change my mind tho).  Gen 1 might include signal/wire, fog-monero(or single spoke dandelion (trusted enclave (:-/))) - near instant pay/tip, app based wallet...Is anyone working on this?  Who would be able to help with this? I'm happy to pay $$$ or XMR for services, learning whatever.  Thank you in advance and apologies
13:15:36 <francolio[m]> if I am spamming.
13:23:21 <moneromooo> There's various software that make it easuer to use monero. Some of which unmaintained.
13:23:44 <moneromooo> There's mymonero, cake wallet, wallets which put user friendliness first.
13:24:08 <moneromooo> There's a point of sale system called... kasisto IIRC, this one's unmaintained.
13:24:35 <moneromooo> Nothing I can think of that bundles a chat program.
13:25:05 <moneromooo> Some of the stuff above wasn't too clear so feel free to rephrase.
13:29:21 <virgildante[m]> francolio: you want your chat app to be able to send/receive xmr correct?
13:30:03 <francolio[m]> <moneromooo "There's various software that ma"> Thank you moneromooo...will do some more reading here.  I think a commercial platform for chat, payments (yes XMR->FIAT->XMR etc etc) would be viable at this point.  I'm just trying to find a partner, company, group to invest in that would own this or run with it...has the passion vision to polish this.  It would make money on TX fees (like all of these businesses) and
13:30:03 <francolio[m]> evolve into a purely private venmo/signal like app. Think anonymous WeChat Pay.
13:31:01 <francolio[m]> <virgildante[m] "francolio: you want your chat ap"> that's part of it...but hopefully just the beginning...something that let's people find each other, chat, pay...all with "perfect" privacy
13:32:58 <moneromooo> If you want to invest in a company that does that, as opposed to help build it, this is really not the place. But if you want to work on it, I'd suggest looking at the W3C payment stuff and the XMPP docs, might give good leads.
13:33:30 <moneromooo> Though XMPP might be dying nowadays, not sure...
13:34:12 <francolio[m]> <moneromooo "If you want to invest in a compa"> Thank you very much and sorry for the noise!  will look at the leads you share here.  The monero community is second to none BTW.  I love this crowd.
13:34:37 <moneromooo> There's #monero where this'd be appropriate if you don't know this one.
13:40:22 <mj-xmr> francolio[m], it's possible to get your project financed by the community and get paid some small fixed fee later on, if you release it as open source to the community.
13:40:41 <mj-xmr> https://ccs.getmonero.org/
13:41:23 <mj-xmr> (fixed fee for maintaining it later on)
13:43:12 <mj-xmr> But I would also ask there (#monero or #monero-community) what the interest there is or existing solutions.
13:52:31 <francolio[m]> <mj-xmr "But I would also ask there (#mon"> virgil.dante: Excellent - thank you very much :-)
13:55:36 <astreknet> Hello, anybody here succeded installing monero on OpenBSD?
13:56:12 <virgildante[m]> <astreknet "Hello, anybody here succeded ins"> You have to compile from source I think
13:56:21 <sethsimmons> Probably a better question for #monero
13:56:26 <virgildante[m]> And you need to change the max men config to compile it
13:56:38 <virgildante[m]> * And you need to change the max mem config to compile it
13:57:06 <virgildante[m]> * And you need to change the max mem per process config (cant remember how this is called in OpenBSD) to compile it
13:59:31 <astreknet> Yes, I read it on github but didn't even got the chance...
14:53:38 <endogenic> francolio[m]: DMd you
14:53:57 <endogenic> do DMs work from irc to matrix? not sure I've ever tried
19:58:02 <astreknet> Hi there, I got an error when compiling monero on OpenBSD
19:58:38 <astreknet> exactly in monero/contrib/epee/src/net_ssl.cpp
19:59:12 <astreknet> line 579
19:59:29 <moneromooo> Paste the compiler's output into paste.debian.net or similar, and paste the URL here.
19:59:47 <astreknet> if (!(ssl_key = SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey(ctx)) || !(ssl_cert = SSL_CTX_get0_certificate(ctx)))
20:00:26 <moneromooo> There's a recent PR that just removes it IIRC. It's because you are using libressl instead of openssl I think.
20:01:20 <astreknet> http://paste.debian.net/1191861/
20:02:04 <astreknet> Could it be OpenBSD uses LibreSSl instead of OpenSSL?
20:02:40 <moneromooo> Maybe. Or it could be because openssl got replaced by libressl.
20:02:41 <astreknet> I just comented this line to see what happened and so far i'm 92%
20:03:14 <astreknet> I can try to force to compile it with OpenSSL
20:04:04 <moneromooo> I thought there was a PR to fix it, looks like I was wrong.
20:04:47 <astreknet> but the function exists on the system: https://man.openbsd.org/OpenBSD-6.8/SSL_CTX_get0_certificate.3
20:05:30 <moneromooo> Then maybe a header switch. That'd seem unlikely though.
20:06:12 <astreknet> this could be wrong cos I'm not much into C++
20:06:47 <moneromooo> Your man page does not mention the function though.
20:06:50 <astreknet> but could be that "if (!(ssl_key = SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey(ctx)) || !(ssl_cert = SSL_CTX_get0_certificate(ctx)))"
20:07:27 <astreknet> should be "=="?
20:07:40 <astreknet> right
20:07:48 <moneromooo> Unlikely, and it would not throw that error.
20:07:51 <astreknet> i'll give a try with openssl
20:09:01 <astreknet> I'll see what happens ignoring this line but doesn't feel good, and then try openssl, thanks!
21:34:45 <astreknet> Going back to the compiling monero on OpenBSD, yes the function SSL_CTX_get0_privatekey doesnt exists in the system
21:35:03 <astreknet> neither if you download openssl
21:35:21 <astreknet> or at least I wasn't able to find it
21:35:36 <astreknet> thanks anyway