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xtuh
.mine 1000
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xtuh
.mining 1000
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xtuh
.pool 1000
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xtuh
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gingeropolous
xtuh, checkout #monero-pools
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dEBRUYNE
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dEBRUYNE
If Trezor and Ledger managed to get it properly up to date in time, surely they should be able to do too?
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fluffypony
dEBRUYNE: they're talking nonsense
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fluffypony
they use MyMonero's backend, and they haven't paid in like a year, so we've cut them off
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fluffypony
I'm waiting for the lawyer to wake up and then I'll see about making a public statement
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selsta
no idea what bitfi even is
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fluffypony
also I'm like 90% sure that woodser's C++ lib can be compiled for ARM
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fluffypony
so it's doubly nonsense
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selsta
hardware wallet?
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fluffypony
selsta: yeah - basically an "airgapped" Android device that you have to enter your seed into each time
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dEBRUYNE
Yeah they use a 'passphrase == seed' feature basically
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selsta
hmm I remember now, that’s the McAfee wallet
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dEBRUYNE
Right
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dEBRUYNE
It is basically like a brain wallet, which numerously has proven to be insecure
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dEBRUYNE
fluffypony: If they use the back-end of MyMonero, presumably no code related changes are required on their side, right?
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dEBRUYNE
Thinking of it, that may not necessarily be the case
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selsta
if the transaction is generated locally code changes are required
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xmrmatterbridge
<rbrunner7> "they use MyMonero's backend, and they haven't paid in like a year, so we've cut them off" Really wonderful to hear such background info first-hand.
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fluffypony
dEBRUYNE: yeah they would just pull in the latest MyMonero library and off you go
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fluffypony
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sethsimmons
<fluffypony "
twitter.com/fluffypony/s"> Thanks for that, makes a lot more sense now
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selsta
luigi1111w: you available today for tagging?
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selsta
.merges
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xmr-pr
6747 6826 6829 6830 6849 6856 6858 6873 6892 6895 6897 6898 6903 6913 6915 6920 6921 6922 6924 6937 6943 6949 6954 6960 6971 6973 6995 6999 7008
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selsta
.merge+ 7018 7020 7021
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xmr-pr
Added
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dEBRUYNE
fluffypony: I see, thanks for clarifying
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dEBRUYNE
Even more astounding then
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dEBRUYNE
They blame their own refusal to pay on the Monero developers essentially, whilst CLSAG was a worthwhile upgrade and announced significantly in advance
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ErCiccione
selsta moneromooo: what phrasing do you suggest to use here? i want to make sure it's clear
monero-project/monero-site #1328
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selsta
"Will be undefined"
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ErCiccione
So only "will be undefined if node is fully synced"? no mention of zeros?
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ErCiccione
Well i guess it cannot be zero, if it's undefined once you are fully synced
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lh1008
Hello everyone, I'll drop this link here. Maybe someone knows what might be happening.
monero-project/monero #7041
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lh1008
I'll try to do do it in another wallet and see if it happens again. :) Good day everyone
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selsta
ErCiccione: it can be zero but not guaranteed so undefined is better
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ErCiccione
got it. Thanks. Just pushed the change
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luigi1111w
selsta yes
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luigi1111w
what's the list?
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selsta
ok, 7039 and 7044
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selsta
you have to approve 7044
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selsta
tag name is v0.17.1.5
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janrummens
is it 'consensus' that determines what miner program to use? There must be a way to opt for a certain miner program. If the majority of nodes use RandomX a new node that uses an old mining algo will not be able to connect to other (or to less) nodes?
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sethsimmons
The mining algorithm, not program, is a part of consensus rules.
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sethsimmons
No one can produce a valid block that is not created using RandomX.
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janrummens
ok and how is this imposed?
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janrummens
by versioning?
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sethsimmons
Restricting to a single program would be detrimental to the ecosystem, multiple miners are ideal.
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sethsimmons
I’m not sure how the consensus rule around mining is technically enforced.
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janrummens
that is what I'm trying to find out
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janrummens
I read that bitcoin has some versioning, so that two nodes connect if they have the same version.
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sethsimmons
I’m sure someone else in here knows the technical details 🙂
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janrummens
would be very gratefull to understand this
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luigi1111w
selsta just those two patches and tag?
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selsta
yes I think so
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selsta
we merged the other things yesterday
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luigi1111w
there you go
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luigi1111w
plz confirm
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selsta
confirmed
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selsta
iDunk scoobybejesus hyc TheCharlatan jonathancross and whoever else participates in reproducible builds, v0.17.1.5 would be tagged now
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iDunk
Already building
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selsta
nice :)
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iDunk
I'll have to leave soon, so my hashes might be a bit late.
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ErCiccione
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moneromooo
janrummens: by calculating the hash the miner claims to have calcualted, and chekcing it's below the target. The chances of it being below the target for hte wrong algorithm are very very slim.
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moneromooo
But if it passes, it'll be accepted anyway.
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janrummens
@moneromooo so it uses a specific way of calculating the hash?
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moneromooo
Yes. Hashes are deterministic.
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janrummens
heu?
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janrummens
I'm a bit lost now.
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moneromooo
It means a given set of inputs always yields the same output.
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janrummens
they are deterministic in the type of hash algoritme then. MD5, SHA-256, etc
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janrummens
"It means a given set of inputs always yields the same output" ha ja ok
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janrummens
besides the collisions :-)
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janrummens
"The chances of it being below the target for hte wrong algorithm" this I don't fully understand
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moneromooo
Easy to see with a contrived example: Set the hash of a message (made from bytes) to be the 8 bit value made by xoring all the bytes, with a starting value of 0.
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moneromooo
If you hash that message with H1 and get a value below, say, 8, then you hash it with H2, which is a similar algorith, but adds the bytes instead, it'll sitll be below 8 for 1/32 inputs on average (assuming random inputs).
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moneromooo
Now the hashes we work with have 256 bit output.
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janrummens
ok ok yes I see
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jonathancross
<selsta "iDunk scoobybejesus hyc TheCharl"> Thanks for the ping!
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janrummens
thank you for this explanation !
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dEBRUYNE
Will make a Reddit thread for the hashes
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dEBRUYNE
& Don't forget to make pull requests on the gitian sigs repo too :p
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janrummens
one other question how does a node who want to solve the puzzle what hash algo it needs to use? Is it just by looking at the target?
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janrummens
or does it randomly executes the H1,H2, etc?
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moneromooo
It knows by looking at the block major version. It changes when the hash algorithm changes.
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scoobybejesus
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janrummens
ok I see the missing piece (I think), much appreciated
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janrummens
must go through the example and have a look in the code. is their an extensive explanation besides
github.com/tevador/RandomX and would like to find the code
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janrummens
where this : "It knows by looking at the block major version"
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janrummens
happens
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janrummens
so the argon, blake, are the algo's?
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janrummens
ok I suppose
github.com/tevador/RandomX has enough info :-)
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janrummens
the audits are interesting as well, sorry to spam you with this. will stop. cy.
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TheCharlatan
thanks for the ping selsta
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selsta
my nodes started banning a lot of peers, anyone seeing something similar?
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selsta
a lot of them appear to be tor exit nodes
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TheCharlatan
selsta with .5?
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selsta
with .3
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hyc
yes, seeing that too. probably wallet-rpc connections triggering it
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hyc
but could be p2p as well, haven bumped loglevels to check
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selsta
seems to me that someone trying something with tor exit nodes
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hyc
ironic, since they could just connect to my onion address instead of exiting tor network at all
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moneromooo
Or it's some asshole who wants to prevent others from using tor exit nodes to use monero nodes. More incentive to run hteir own node :)
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hyc
ah that kinda makes sense, discourage people from using tor because it's decreasing the effectiveness of his own asshole nodes
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iDunk
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hyc
ah didn't realize it was tagged, starting a build now
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keatonofthedrake
Hey Dev chat, getting a really weird issue on Windows 10 64 bit version 17.1.4. The application will be open for a random amount of time and then both my screens go black for a few seconds, the desktop re-appears and the Monero GUI is no longer open. Is there any log that I can provide for helping with trouble shooting?
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keatonofthedrake
Trying to re-open the GUI now and it gets to the password lock screen then does the black screens and its no longer open when the desktop appears again
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keatonofthedrake
trying the low graphics mode the application has opened again and hasnt crashed
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selsta
keatonofthedrake: your Windows screens going black sounds a bit graphics drivers related, but not sure from the description
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keatonofthedrake
hey selsta yeah its the first time its ever done that through all the different releases. Running a RTX 2070 with updated drivers. wondering if there was a log of the crash I could provide from somewhere