06:44:48 <fluffypony> rbrunner: it's the way Electrum used to do it, here's why it does it that way: https://github.com/spesmilo/electrum/blame/1b6abf6e028cbabd5e125784cff6d4ada665e722/lib/old_mnemonic.py#L1657-L1658
09:43:01 <rbrunner> Thanks for that interesting info, fluffypony. Do I understand correctly that more or less the sole purpose of this is to avoid / circumvent the patent by doing it differently?
09:47:50 <fluffypony> yes
11:23:40 <gingeropolous> hrm... "Status
11:23:40 <gingeropolous> Expired - Lifetime" https://patents.google.com/patent/US5892470 .
11:24:05 <gingeropolous> is the roundabout still needed?
12:14:20 <fluffypony> hey good catch gingeropolous
12:14:21 <fluffypony> https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2hdlkl/bip_39_and_us_patent_5892470_microsoft/
12:14:27 <fluffypony> looks like the 20 year period expired in 1997
12:14:31 <fluffypony> sorry 2017
12:14:49 <gingeropolous> yeah! sobering reminder that monero was written in 2014 eh?
12:15:00 <gingeropolous> or wait. 2012
12:15:04 <gingeropolous> :P
12:16:25 <gingeropolous> i know pharma can extended patents, i wonder if there's a way in IT
12:17:08 <gingeropolous> though i doubt this one actually pulled in any profit. since 1997, i can say the only time I've remembered a long number via word string is with monero
12:20:11 <fluffypony> it's marked as expired on USPTO
12:20:15 <fluffypony> so near as I can tell it's done
12:20:33 <fluffypony> forwarded to Tari Labs GC for confirmation
12:21:22 <rbrunner> Maybe this will play a role for us if we do switch to 14-word seeds. Don't know whether Tevador's proof-of-concept currently does something similarly complicated or not.
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