16:10:37 <hyc> dev meeting today?
16:59:50 <rehrar> We can, sure.
16:59:58 <rehrar> And it's just about time.
17:00:21 <rehrar> Anyone around?
17:06:27 <kinghat[m]> o/
17:06:41 <kinghat[m]> not a dev. just a fly.
17:11:45 <ErCiccione[m]> i'm here
17:21:44 <vtnerd_> well Im sitting here, but it doesn't appear many others are
17:22:18 <hyc> I have nothing to report anyway
17:22:20 <moneromooo> I am here. Not much to say though.
17:22:39 <hyc> v0.16 appears to be a pretty good release so far
17:31:33 <rbrunner> From looking at action in the Monero subreddit, I don't think that even a single serious problem surfaced so far with 0.16. Pretty solid. (And of course not a serious problem that it *still* wants an update :)
17:36:15 <rbrunner> One would wish to get hold of a good statistic how Dandelion++ gets rolled out, and how the percentage of txs broadcast using it grows over time, but probably impossible to get such overview
17:37:01 <rbrunner> (And overall that's probably a good thing)
17:41:00 <hyc> also to point out, yesterday marks 6 months of RandomX deployment
17:41:47 <hyc> network hash rate is pretty steady, and number of miners has returned to its pre-hardfork level
17:41:56 <rehrar> Snipa: are you around?
17:49:27 <sech1> technically 6 months of RandomX is today, not yesterday
17:49:47 <moneromooo> What month length are you using ?
17:49:59 <moneromooo> (if we're going to be pedantic, I want in)
17:50:01 <sech1> *long rant about our primitive calender and month lengths follows*
17:55:04 <rbrunner> We are in leap year. Don't forget.
17:56:18 <sech1> let's just says 183 days
17:56:21 <sech1> *say
17:58:16 <hyc> +1 rbrunner
17:58:22 <hyc>  :)
17:59:01 <rbrunner> We could schedule some little celebration for some round number of blocks mined with RandomX, say the next larger round number, whatever that is. I think the success would merit it.
17:59:54 <hyc> I'd wait for at least 1 year. CNv1 also went 6 months with no trouble
18:01:03 <rbrunner> Has something, that argument.
18:03:28 <hyc> November 30 would be just after Thanksgiving, maybe we aim for a Christmas-ish celebration
18:03:42 <hyc> early/mid December
18:04:36 <hyc> or call it Yuletide ;)
18:17:56 <sech1> 150000 RandomX blocks (block 2128433) - June 25th
18:18:38 <sech1> aligns nicely with Midsommar :)
20:31:27 <hyc> how is it that we have such incurious users. https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gu18ee/is_running_a_remote_node_heavy_on_hardware_and/fsgbld3/?context=3
20:31:47 <hyc> people download and run software blindly, without looking to see what it comes with
20:34:20 <moneromooo> By incurious, do you mean ignorant ? Ignorance is much better than stupidity, and the user you point to seems to have gone straight for it when you mentioned it.
20:51:28 <hyc> I meant, not curious. Not curious enough to see what everything was in the archive of software they downloaded onto their PCs
20:52:01 <hyc> they presumably just launched monerod.exe and ignored everything else.
20:58:29 <moneromooo> Sure, but faulting someone for not getting up to speed fast enough is just harsh.
20:59:35 <moneromooo> The post just shows ignorance to me, which is fine.
21:00:00 <moneromooo> And once the pruned ability was pointed out, the user just went and tried it.
21:03:41 <hyc> it's not about getting up to speed or not. It's about being aware of what you just downloaded and installed.
21:04:14 <hyc> just like in #monero the other day, when I was telling someone how to plut the output of monero-blockchain-stats "I was not aware this tool existed"
21:04:24 <hyc> it's understandable to not know how these tools work
21:04:35 <hyc> it's not understandable to not know that they're sitting there on your drive
21:05:01 <moneromooo> It's totally understandable. There is shitloads of crap on my drive right now I have no idea what it does.
21:05:24 <moneromooo> There's just so much stuff around, and finite time to get through all of it.
21:05:29 <hyc> if it was bundled there before you fired it up, that's one thing
21:05:46 <moneromooo> What is important is the willingness to go through it when it's pointed out, not whether you knew about it in the first place.
21:05:46 <hyc> if you downloaded it yourself, extracted the archive yourself ... that makes no sense to me
21:06:04 <moneromooo> Meh. Depth first is fine, but breadth first also is.
21:06:34 <moneromooo> I downloaded the GIMP, and I search the web when I want to do something not super simple.
21:06:46 <moneromooo> It's nornal. There is a LOT of stuff around.
21:07:04 <hyc> but this is like extracting an archive and ignoring the README file
21:07:05 <moneromooo> Learning about it all first thing would be a waste of time.
21:07:19 <moneromooo> OK, fair point here.
21:07:43 <moneromooo> Our README does not mention pruning, I just looked :D
21:07:50 <moneromooo> My fault I guess. I'll add.
21:08:16 <hyc> ;)
21:08:59 <moneromooo> Hmm. If I mention pruning, I guess I sohuld mention a lot of other stuff -_-
21:09:59 <moneromooo> What we'd want is a documentation, in addition to the README.
21:10:19 * moneromooo looks at the mountain and gulps
21:10:55 <hyc> should start shaking the trees for tech writers
21:11:15 <hyc> and maybe launch a CCS for a writer to team up with a dev
21:12:46 <kinghat[m]> i do readmes on websites and github but rarely from zips. the only time it would be super pertinent would be like a router firmware or something?
21:14:29 <kinghat[m]> lots of devs put notes in the release ntoes/change logs. how many people read those? like a psychopath, i actually do.
21:14:53 <hyc> good! :)
21:15:12 <moneromooo> What's a README ?
21:15:37 * moneromooo afj
21:15:42 <kinghat[m]> i treat them like little christmas 🎁
21:20:48 <UkoeHB_> It's kind of a big ask for every user to be an expert on everything they download.
21:23:32 <hyc> not to be an expert.
21:23:40 <hyc> to be aware that these things exist.
22:37:33 <dEBRUYNE> <hyc> and maybe launch a CCS for a writer to team up with a dev <= Not a bad idea imo
22:38:11 <moneromooo> Would need a well delineated scope though.
22:38:31 <moneromooo> Or a lot of time :)
23:14:23 <UkoeHB_> "team up with a dev" sounds like you're getting volunteered moneromooo :p