04:38:38 <while> why are the monero rpc calls for get_balance for example returning a balance hundreds of billions times higher then its supposed to be?
04:45:40 <selsta> while: the balance is in atomic units
04:46:34 <while> atomic units?
04:47:36 <while> thank you
04:56:49 <selsta> yes in piconero or so to avoid floating point
12:26:56 <ErCiccione> I'm a bit confused with the situation about packaging for debian. IIUC the CCS from the whonix maintainer is about creating a Debian package repository that people will need to add to their sources.list (which is a discouraged approach in Debian). In the meantime, we already have a monero package included in the official debian packages for 'unstable' ow 'testing'
12:27:22 <ErCiccione> s/ow/and now
12:27:59 <ErCiccione> https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/monero
12:28:53 <ErCiccione> The version we have on the official repo is much easier to use, because people can simply `apt install monero` (if they are on 'testing' or sid) without the need of adding a repo in sources.list
12:29:40 <ErCiccione> so now i don't see the convenience of having the whonix-managed one, beside the fact that the GUI is included there
12:30:18 <ErCiccione> I mean, it's good for having it included in whonix, but it's much less conventient for the normal user.
12:30:20 <ErCiccione> just thinking out loud
12:33:52 <Inge-> apt install monero is king
12:35:46 <ErCiccione> You can already do that if you are on testing or unstable. The packages are updated to version 0.15.0.5
12:47:51 <selsta> ErCiccione: I think rehrar talked to the whonix maintainer. Maybe he knows more.
12:50:14 <asymptotically> ErCiccione: i don't think that monero will ever make it into stable (same as bitcoin). the debian release cycle doesn't fit with monero's, and there's no point having a crusty old daemon around that can't connect to the network
12:50:28 <ErCiccione> selsta: The thing is that reading the proposal, that's what it is about. An external package to manually add to your sources. Don't know if there is more to know. The problem is that i think some will expect to be able to  simply do apt install monero on debian, which will not happen
12:50:42 <selsta> :/
12:51:29 <ErCiccione> asymptotically: I'm aware of that, but the thing is that the "free" solution that we have at the moment is better than the CCS funded one
12:51:38 <selsta> Also don’t get the point if it’s already in unstable.
12:51:57 <ErCiccione> it's not jsut in unstable, it's even in 'testing'
12:53:06 <asymptotically> has anybody tried packaging mooo's updater program? i think it would be fine in debian stable (the contrib repository is for programs that download other programs). then we can be in stable for everybody and also have the latest versions available
12:53:15 <ErCiccione> Why would people want to pull an external repository (the whonix maintained one) when simply downloading it from getmonero would be easier? That's my question
12:55:29 <selsta> ErCiccione: if you add the external repo once you can manage it with your package manager
12:55:49 <selsta> some people prefer that, but I don’t understand what’s the point over the existing package
12:57:34 <ErCiccione> yes sure, but i don't see it much more convenient and more trust is involved. I guess can vary for each person
12:58:22 <ErCiccione> what’s the point over the existing package <- includes the GUI and can be used on debian stable, but still... At this point is just subjective
12:58:52 <ErCiccione> but i still have the feeling that many who supported that proposal now expect to have the package available on debian
14:04:29 <gingeropolous> asymptotically, i think that solution would be optimal
14:04:52 <gingeropolous> just based on my experience with packages etc and monero's releases
14:27:31 <hyc> makes no sense to me to lose the benefit of our own reproducible packages
14:28:12 <hyc> putting mooo's updater into package repos at least makes sense
17:16:56 <rehrar> On vacation foos, leemee alone.
17:18:45 <selsta> don’t log into irc :P
17:55:36 <rehrar> selsta IRC cloud. Always logged in. :(
20:13:22 <selsta> Has anyone seen this before when running tests? ` 1/21 Test  #1: hash-target ......................***Exception: Illegal  0.33 sec`
20:13:29 <selsta> could this be ccache related?
20:13:58 <selsta> full log: https://github.com/monero-project/monero/pull/6495/checks?check_run_id=644063077
20:21:15 <selsta> Okay, appears to be ccache + sharing cache between different linux VMs related, guess I will disable ccache for tests
20:32:40 <moneromooo> Disable "sharing cache between different linux VMs". ccache should see when the compiler's changed, or the command line, but probably not if it's the underlying CPU.
20:33:11 <moneromooo> "Exception: Illegal " looks like SIGILL. A different CPU would explain that.
20:33:28 <selsta> For CI I have to share the cache between runs else I don’t need ccache anyway.
20:33:39 <selsta> and they spin up a new VM everytime so I don’t know about CPU.
20:34:43 <selsta> For just compiling it seems to work fine even if the CPU is different. Only tests were a problem.
21:56:04 <needbrrrrrrr90> We have a user getting spam filtered for posting a link to https://moneropaperwallet.github.io/monero-wallet.html
21:56:13 <needbrrrrrrr90> Can someone verify that thats not compromised
21:56:17 <needbrrrrrrr90> idk where that came from
21:57:27 <needbrrrrrrr90> Considering that the user who posted it has pretty much exclusively posted that link repeatedly, I suspect its compromised, but I'd like confirmation
21:59:20 <camthegeek> https://github.com/moneropaperwallet/moneropaperwallet.github.io
22:03:07 <camthegeek> https://www.diffchecker.com/IZvDGZVp (vs original moneromooo version found at https://github.com/moneromooo-monero/monero-wallet-generator/ )
22:04:12 <camthegeek> someone will have a giggle
22:07:05 <UkoeHB_> line 8690 lol
22:07:22 <camthegeek> yep lol
22:21:12 <needbrrrrrrr90> yeaaaaah added to the filter
22:21:29 <hyc> ogawd
22:22:07 <hyc> hey, this list is provably random, I generated it with fair dice ...
22:22:25 <needbrrrrrrr90> sigh