00:09:23 The deliverables seem pretty vague, but I guess that is the nature of fundamental research. Otherwise looks good. 00:10:01 Part of it is that I do not have any guarantee that the optimizations will be successful 00:10:10 But deserve research 00:10:33 Other areas of interest are timing data, security model, anon set selection 00:10:34 geonic: we were briefed? 00:10:46 sarang and I discussed a similar arrangement through Tari Labs as well 00:11:18 Note that the Tari Labs discussion did not lead to any arrangement 00:11:38 If there is interest in more detail on research areas, let me know 00:11:38 you can't really expect every contributor (especially on the research side) to peg their life on the good will of the community every 3 months 00:11:47 some people will, and some will need more stability 00:12:11 I think anon set selection and other things (multisig?) seem more definite than optimisations, so they should probably be explicitly mentioned in the proposal 00:13:28 If any developers have other things they consider worth the research time, I am happy to hear these kinds of suggestions 00:15:50 I am not a dev, but having working multisig and anon set selection for triptych seem like they would be higher priority than optimisations 00:16:20 seems like they are all needed 00:16:51 !tip sarang 100 00:17:34 When multisig was discussed several times previously, it was unclear how used it was in practice, and how high of a priority it should be considered 00:17:44 fluffypony: thanks for clarifying 00:18:20 The new Haveno dex makes use of multisig in order to function, no? 00:18:21 sarang: haveno was just announced today which requires multisig 00:18:37 Noted 00:18:39 a monero implementation of bisq 00:18:59 so yeah, please hang around for a while :) 00:19:01 I have some work on this already, but it requires additional library support for general RSA groups 00:19:31 It's in a branch somewhere; don't recall which 00:20:26 It would be nice to have multisig without RSA groups, but I do not see how to do it 00:20:36 It could be possible, who knows 00:20:57 The proposal has been updated. https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/222 00:21:15 To quote my comment on the proposal: Note, some edits were made. Reduced time period of work, increased number of milestones from 2 to 4, and added a COI section at the bottom. 00:21:56 I requested a reduction in time in case the work deemed highest priority can be done in that time period 00:22:18 And this seems safer for potential contributors 00:22:47 Ye. Further work can be done with further requests. As cankerwort[m] noted the deliverables can be pretty vague. So if we had extra time and wanted to go into multisig for example, it's best to make another proposal for that entirely. :) 00:23:10 do all the things 00:23:30 "ree"search 00:25:22 The changes are good. Just seems to me that the logic of "better to optimize before fork" falls flat if it is decided that the triptych fork can't happen until other non-optimization research is done. 00:27:43 Wanted to also advertise my CCS: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/221 00:28:08 Perhaps better to wait on opening it until there is more discussion with devs and communities about specific research needs 00:28:11 I am fine with this 00:28:13 My day job ended last month so I either had to find a new job or do a CCS, and CCS sounded more fun :D 00:29:27 #fundselsta 00:29:36 selsta selsta he's our man, if he can't do it no one can 00:32:01 can this be funded yet or is it need some approval? 00:32:30 I just submitted it today so it will have to be approved first. 00:32:32 donkeydonkey[m]: it just got posted :) 00:32:34 Yeah maybe a Monero Meet or something on the topic of Triptych would be a good idea, so everyone is aware of what work is needed 00:33:10 Fund all the long time contributors 00:33:10 (┛✧Д✧))┛彡┻━┻ 00:34:44 In that case, please do not merge the request until such discussions happen 00:35:02 That moneroguard bot is quite nice. 00:35:09 selsta: pretty nifty, eh? 00:35:09 +1 for funding Selsta. I note there are 257 open issues on monero-gui. I'm not sure what to think about that. 00:35:22 If people are down for it, we can start moving him over to other rooms also. 00:36:01 cankerwort[m]: will clean up the issue tracker 00:36:24 part of it is user support and feature requests 00:37:13 rehrar: it would make sense for MRL for increased testing 00:49:46 Whoever missed that our first Monero Village meeting for Defcon 29 is scheduled, please find the agenda at: 00:49:48 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/562/ 00:50:08 It is on Saturday at 18:00 UTC, please join us. 00:54:35 Wanted to also advertise my CCS: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/221 <= instamerge 00:55:28 don't do it luigi. You know what the consequences are. 00:55:41 lol pls no instamerge drama again 00:55:53 what if selsta is compromised 00:56:03 I can gpg sign my gpg key 00:56:12 drama seemed to be at a lull 00:56:14 Wasn't someone like ginger saying we needed drama to make monero relevant over mobilecoin? 00:56:19 Now's our chance! 00:56:51 selsta: please gpg sign the terminal output displayed when you gpg sign your gpg key 00:57:32 what happens if you gpg sign something ad infinitum 00:57:38 better encryption than zcash? 01:04:09 Just move your gpg signatures to the unshielded pool. 04:22:19 rehrar: "In short, copyright Cypher Stack, permissively licensed." 04:22:35 I assume sarang's monero funded work wil be under copyright monero project, right? 04:23:09 ah, yes. I can see how I wrote that horribly. 04:23:40 It was referring to the way Cypher Stack has done things all this time. 04:23:57 But mixed in with the other portions it sounds like Sarang's work would be this. 04:23:59 oki, yea just wanted to clarify 04:24:01 changed 04:24:31 rehrar: check your monero.social account 04:25:18 Mumuks[m]: can't send it to the Cypher Stack one?> 04:25:46 Which one is that? 04:25:54 @diego:cypherstack.com 04:25:57 plz :) 04:25:59 thx 04:26:07 Ok 07:19:19 Sarang continuing to do Monero work = <3 07:24:21 Haveno does require 2/3 multisig to function, so if Triptych kills multisig, that is not so good. IMHO Multisig is a requirement for broader adoption in a corporate space. 07:40:12 luigi1111: could you consider merging my CCS if there are no objections? Now that we announced Haveno i really need that holiday :) 15:26:41 Yes 19:19:06 whaaaat Monero radio has competition: https://twitter.com/mobilecoin/status/1380598265326936064?s=21 19:19:25 Better step up our radio game 19:22:20 something happened - rupee can't seem to post here anymore on the Matrix side 19:24:03 I'm free 19:24:05 the bot seems to have some edge cases 19:30:43 afaik the bot only voices known users 19:30:53 was rupee[m] voiced previously? 19:32:33 I've talked in here before 19:34:02 test 19:34:02 Test failed 20:00:46 there is a really nice presentation deck that fluffypony used in this vid which might be helpful for some marketing materials 20:01:09 i couldn't find it in an initial search 20:01:11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fe5QPDLk0mE 20:01:11 [ Riccardo Spagni on Monero: The World’s Least Professional Cryptocurrency - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 20:01:49 not sure if there's a copy floating around 20:11:01 lza_menace: https://graphicriver.net/item/motagua-multipurpose-powerpoint-template/10348960 20:11:02 it's this 20:40:30 nice, thanks 20:40:42 oh 20:41:00 fluffypony, i meant a direct download of the actual presentation 20:41:12 ohhhh 20:41:43 it's a bit outdated