01:04:38 <xmrscott[m]1> trasherdk: If you haven't already, you may be more likely to get assistance asking on -support or r/monerosupport
01:06:23 <trasherdk[m]1> No problem. Restarted and resynced. I guess I hit one of the bad peers, not yet blocked on the DNS.
01:40:11 <ucefxrdwtlcl> Look on the bright side. At least you don't need to obsess over signs of life from FUK now.
03:36:27 <rottenwheel> kinghat dEBRUYNE have been dealing with that kicked from markets, pools, wownero and well, space is another kind of problem... for a week or so...
03:38:06 <rottenwheel> <sethsimmons "Just use Matrix and you don't ge"> I'm starting to think you get paid by matrix^(tm). Shill.
03:52:05 <rottenwheel> rehrar for monero social matrix issues I should talk to p|geons, right? Using pipe to avoid random ping.
04:14:41 <Mumuks[m]> rottenwheel: register your matrix account on irc like this https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms
04:15:38 <rottenwheel> It's registered already mumuks.
04:16:06 <rottenwheel> It's fucking annoying though. Sometimes it seems to log me out. Receive the notification of... this nickname is registered yadda yadda yadda.
04:16:14 <rottenwheel> Need to identify and rejoin the affected rooms.
04:16:31 <rottenwheel> Happens sometimes with one or two of the rooms, or doesn't happen at all.
04:16:49 <rottenwheel> Where is coin saying IRC rules?
04:20:12 <Mumuks[m]> rottenwheel: I have it to log me in automatically and never had an issue
04:21:34 <rottenwheel> How do you set that up? To log you in automatically. Do share, fren.
04:22:11 <Mumuks[m]> I did it long long time ago, it is not on that guide? Let me check
04:22:49 <Mumuks[m]> rottenwheel: it is step 5 of that guide
04:23:44 <rottenwheel> Yeah, just saw. Let me give it a whirl and see if it improves my experience.
04:24:05 <rottenwheel> Note: -space shenanigans remain being a mystery.
04:24:07 <rottenwheel> Goddammit.
04:24:11 <rottenwheel> Thanks, fren.
04:26:32 <Mumuks[m]> rottenwheel: did you solve or got any information about the issue where you could not properly join a room?
04:26:57 <rehrar[m]> rottenwheel yes
04:27:04 <rottenwheel> That's what I'm referencing right now. No. My homeserver admin said it was a bit of a puzzler. Nothing concrete showed up in the logs.
04:27:19 <rottenwheel> I nudged p|dgeons but seems like they've been too busy.
04:27:35 <rottenwheel> I think I forwarded what my homeserver admin said to p|dgeons.
04:28:04 <Mumuks[m]> That's weird. If you find out something ping me, apparently you are not the only one with the problem
04:28:23 <rottenwheel> Really? Who else is facing that problem?
04:28:28 <Mumuks[m]> Maybe the room needs to be closed and a new one openned
04:28:33 <rottenwheel> sgp_ see it's not only me?
04:28:49 <rottenwheel> Your room is damned! 😂
04:28:58 <Mumuks[m]> Not sure, maybe it is you that reach me through other people, I'm not sure
04:29:12 <rottenwheel> <Mumuks[m] "Maybe the room needs to be close"> Bet'cha it has to do with that double bridging tomfoolery.
04:29:24 <sgp_[m]> What's double bridged lol
04:29:34 <rottenwheel> <Mumuks[m] "Not sure, maybe it is you that r"> Lol. Might be sgp juggling to get me in.
04:30:12 <rottenwheel> <sgp_[m] "What's double bridged lol"> When you were trying to make them all monero social and it was causing redundancy. Something something ciccione mumuks bridges something github issue.
04:30:13 <sgp_[m]> I have no idea why you have issues with just -space
04:30:27 <rottenwheel> Neither do I. It's super weird and annoying.
04:30:36 <sgp_[m]> I thought we set it all up properly now :p
04:30:47 <sgp_[m]> (except for you 😬)
04:33:50 <Mumuks[m]> rottenwheel: it is really weird that there is nothing in the logs of the server you use
04:35:17 <Mumuks[m]> You should get a copy of the logs that reference you trying to log in and share them with the matrix devs, maybe you have discovered a new bug and they'll know better than anyone what to look for
04:36:52 <rottenwheel> Good idea. Let me see if the admin can share the synapse logs with me.
04:37:11 <rottenwheel> On their own words, it seemed like we weren't getting a 'clean banned message' back.
04:39:57 <rottenwheel> 'I'm suspecting something about that room specifically is to blame. It's possible we're in their server ACL.'
04:47:46 <Mumuks[m]> rottenwheel: get another person from that server, the admin that you talk to, to try to join that room. If he can not, the room has probably banned the server, if not it is something else and you should show the logs to the matrix devs
04:51:19 <rottenwheel> Mumuks just texted them. I'll keep you posted if I hear back. I'd still need you to relay the logs. Remember my homeserver is banned from matrix official rooms, lol.
04:51:54 <rottenwheel> Will pm if I hear anything new.
04:52:23 <Mumuks[m]> Ok
05:39:15 <rehrar> vtnerd: plz message me bro
06:26:49 <modul8[m]> any linux lovers tried spliy linux? https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20210208#split
06:26:57 <modul8[m]> *split
06:34:13 <Mumuks[m]> @modul8:matrix.org: what is it about?
06:36:24 <modul8[m]> privacy focused,  i think it uses docker. i installed an early version (still early) but never really played with it) just noticed the review on distrowatch thought id share
06:37:48 <Mumuks[m]> I do not know why I can not get into Docker
06:42:29 <modul8[m]> need a lot of trust?
06:42:48 <modul8[m]> havnt bothered myself really
06:55:24 <Mumuks[m]> @modul8:matrix.org: I do not know honestly, it is just a feeling, so I'm not saying it is bad, just that I do not like it
06:55:55 <Mumuks[m]> There is something about people downloading all these containers and running them without understanding what's I side that bothers me
06:56:37 <Mumuks[m]> It does not help that now I have started running Proxmox in my home server and uses LXC for containers and has no native Docker support
06:56:38 <modul8[m]> agreed, same with browser plugins..just feels wrong
06:56:59 <Mumuks[m]> * There is something about people downloading all these containers and running them without understanding what's inside that bothers me
06:58:04 <Mumuks[m]> I use browser plugins, some are useful, but yes, they can be dangerous and need to be betted
06:58:25 <Mumuks[m]> There have been plugins that have stolen people's crypto
07:10:11 <fluffypony> midipoet: also not sure if you noticed in the thread, but xiphon also posted in it: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/lz1v61/second_jp_aumasson_fundraise_should_be_created/gq0ag9m/
07:10:54 <fluffypony> cryptomedicated created this whole bizarre fantasy world where we're underpaying JP Aumasson (???) and overpaying moneromooo
07:11:05 <mj-xmr> "There have been plugins that have stolen people's crypto" This will be a raising concern in near future, I fear, as the crypto holdings gain more value.
07:11:27 <mj-xmr> I use a different Linux user for each crypto wallet, that I use.
07:11:34 <fluffypony> and then also tried to list ways in which trevador's proposal is added backdoors to the code...when implemented by xiphon (???)
07:11:55 <fluffypony> it's just a living, breathing instance of Brandolini's Law
07:12:05 <mj-xmr> Every crypto wallet.dat is only readable by that user. The user starts no applications other than the wallet software itself.
07:14:38 <mj-xmr> (of course this is Linux security 101. Nothing new really)
07:16:57 <mj-xmr> fluffypony, a few XMR more and I'd be on that list of "Proposals, which received more XMR", with my useless proposals!
07:17:08 <mj-xmr> Look, Ma'. I onna list!
07:17:22 <fluffypony> lol
07:24:19 <mj-xmr> Also, I don't understand the drama at all. If somebody feels underpaid for whatever reason, my personal opinion is, that the doors are open for renegotiation, as long as there's reason. What do you think?
07:25:44 <mj-xmr> That's at least how the railway construction business works. There are entire departments with full time jobs, which deal with such concerns.
07:33:04 <mj-xmr> And I've just read, that that proposal was about a week of work.
07:33:14 <modul8[m]> bisq monero discussion https://github.com/bisq-network/bisq/discussions/5285
08:03:56 <midipoet> fluffypony: seems fair. to be honest, i was more concerned with the issues around the security of the 14-word seed, and potential impacts - but i do remember there being quite a long discussion about it when it was proposed by tevador, and the rationale held amongst questioning from many parties on IRC (afair)
08:23:46 <Inge-> hah. so playing chess with pigeons has a name. TIL
14:40:30 <nioc> from that bisq github issue "Sellers of XMR would deposit 115% BTC to cover trade amount and security deposit. When trade complete seller would receive their full security deposit back."
14:40:34 <nioc> but I am selling xmr, I have no btc
14:40:56 <nioc> I am but a salt miner and have no github account
15:09:43 <oaaeuhujwnn> I think everyone here knows that most Monero exchange withdrawals and desposits are traceable (Breaking Monero - poisoned outputs). How does it feel to go out and lie to people that they are private and then earn less than holding BTC on your bag?
15:16:10 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] Aron opened pull request #216: Icelandic translation of Monero GUI Wallet
15:16:10 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/216
17:39:39 <rottenwheel> Yeah Mumuks . Specifically the space matrix room is the only one from the social homeserver both I and the administrator have issues with when joining. Just received word from them.
17:39:46 <rottenwheel> 'I did try repeatedly and no, I can't join.'
17:40:07 <rottenwheel> 'I've tried a few times actually, no dice on any attempt.'
17:40:34 <Mumuks[m]> So the most likely possibility is that the room has banned your server
17:40:46 <rottenwheel> Yup.
17:41:11 <Mumuks[m]> sgp_ any idea why a server is banned from monero space matrix room?
17:41:35 <rottenwheel> Somewhere halogen.city must be in the ACL lists. Ironically only affecting #monero-space and not the other three hundred monero.social-hosted rooms I am in as well.
17:41:44 <sgp_[m]> no idea, I certainly didn't do that intentionally
17:42:02 <rottenwheel> Maybe it is pidgeons who could assess this case better.
17:42:19 <rottenwheel> Or xmrscott ...
17:42:38 <rottenwheel> * Maybe it is pigeons who could assess this case better.
17:43:02 <rottenwheel> Sorry for the pings, all. Not an emergency. Just sharing.
17:44:19 * sgp_[m] uploaded an image: image.png (15KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/lukxAXKOOkTWuShhtLuUhmPt/image.png >
17:44:20 <sgp_[m]> this is weird no?
17:48:05 <Mumuks[m]> sgp_: is it possible that someone imported the default ACL list from matrix.org when creating the room?
17:48:20 <Mumuks[m]> And that got halogen.city banned
17:49:12 <sgp_[m]> it's possible? it was originally a room on matrix.org
17:50:22 <Mumuks[m]> That might be it, sgp_ you are admin in monero space no? Why don't you check the ACL to confirm?
17:51:05 <sgp_[m]> how do I do that? yes I'm admin
17:51:52 <Mumuks[m]> sgp_: https://matrix.org/docs/guides/moderation#banning-servers-from-rooms-server-acls
17:52:20 <kinghat[m]> https://m.slashdot.org/story/382672
17:52:54 <sgp_[m]> Mumuks: is there a way to just see the current ACL list?
17:53:01 <kinghat[m]> https://it.slashdot.org/story/21/03/08/1925214/darpa-taps-intel-to-help-build-the-holy-grail-of-encryption
17:54:14 <Mumuks[m]> sgp_: let me ask
17:58:36 <gokux> quien me ayuda a intalar mi amd raedon 400 hd
17:58:40 <gokux> 4000
17:58:49 <gokux> soy de ubuntu
18:03:48 <Mumuks[m]> gokux: creo que te has equivocado de habitacion, esto es Monero Community
18:04:34 <gokux> And what room is for that can you tell me which one it is or in private please
18:31:43 <Mumuks[m]> gokux: no idea tbh
18:50:35 <ComplyLast> Mumuks[m] so you do speak the language of the motherland?
18:54:36 <Mumuks[m]> ComplyLast Apparently every day a little less since the guys at Moneroes though I was a foreigner that barely could speak spanish
18:54:44 <Mumuks[m]> For real, no joking
19:05:58 <sgp_[m]> on Freenode it's #moneroes or #monero-es I think
19:10:04 <Mumuks[m]> sgp_: I finally found out how to check for the ACL server list
19:10:29 <Mumuks[m]> You need to go to /devtools so you need Element web
19:11:15 <Mumuks[m]> Them in devtools you select Explore Room State, should be the second option
19:12:54 <xmrscott[m]1> Yeah already checked
19:13:12 <sgp_[m]> okay, I can do that
19:13:19 <xmrscott[m]1> Also of note: "Setting server ACLs on a room is a relative rare operation, and Element does not currently provide a user interface for doing so. Instead, these can be set either by script or by manually creating a server ACL state event via Element/Web’s developer tools UI."
19:13:54 <xmrscott[m]1> (Neither Seth, myself, or sgp has touched devtools previously)
19:15:16 <Mumuks[m]> The option should be m.room.server_acl
19:15:35 <Mumuks[m]> If the option is not there, there is no acl server list
19:16:40 <sgp_[m]> not there
19:16:50 <Mumuks[m]> And as far as I can see #monero-space:monero.social has no acl server list
19:17:01 <Mumuks[m]> That makes this even more weird
19:17:32 <Mumuks[m]> I am too tired now, but tomorrow I'll try to get the logs from rottenwheel and ask the matrix devs
23:08:14 <bqsmkyywofmy> 'Oddly, no one who was directly involved with the SIR-C missions and currently still working the Lab, remembers the name Howard Chu, except for one who vaguely recalls Eugene Chu as having a brother names Howard'
23:08:14 <bqsmkyywofmy> Ed Caro, NASA Chief Engineer. cryptogazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/1-768x1445.png