06:05:59 <awhoa[m]> what's the best / most up to date guide for running a node?
06:19:31 <xmrscott[m]1> awhoa: This one was written by a regular Seth two months ago: https://sethsimmons.me/guides/run-a-monero-node/
06:19:51 <xmrscott[m]1>  * awhoa: This one was written by a regular, Seth, two months ago: https://sethsimmons.me/guides/run-a-monero-node/
06:19:52 <awhoa[m]> cool that's the one i stumbled upon from a reddit /r/monero search
06:19:58 <awhoa[m]> thank you!
06:20:56 <xmrscott[m]1> Happy to help; the more nodes the better （⌒▽⌒ゞ
06:41:02 <awhoa[m]> is it better to not prune a node
06:41:27 <awhoa[m]> or rather are there downsides to pruning when running a node? does it prevent some users from using the node?
07:04:55 <awhoa[m]> and what's the difference between enabling vs. disabling RPC?
07:08:47 <xmrscott[m]1> This explains RPC pretty concisely, but tl;dr you only really need it if you're building something that needs to ask a node things: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/10605/what-is-the-monero-wallet-rpc-deamon-rpc
07:10:37 <xmrscott[m]1> As for pruning: "There are no privacy or security downsides when using a pruned node." (https://www.getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/pruning.html)
07:18:39 <awhoa[m]> ahh both links are perfect, thank s
07:18:50 <awhoa[m]> so i think i'll disable RPC and enable pruning
07:51:34 <midipoet> xmrscott[m]1: the pruned node guide nor the blog post give the actual command for creating a pruned node, do they?
08:15:26 <awhoa[m]> looks like --prune-blockchain
08:16:02 <awhoa[m]> but yeah it would be a nice addition to both the blog post and the SO post to include the command and a link to the docs
08:26:07 <midipoet> Also, can you call the command mid-sync, or does it have to be called either right at the start of sync or on a complete chain only?
09:36:04 <mechanic41turk[m> Happy with monerujo: somehow the latest updates have improved the tor utility
09:36:17 <mechanic41turk[m> not getting the app frozen, nor the orbot tor connection getting interrupted.
09:39:41 <rottenwheel> anhdres ^.
09:51:14 <ErCiccione> folks (and in particular sgp_) i see you keep advertising the wrong url for the matrix instance. It's `moenro.social`, not `matrix.monero.social`. I pointed it out already many times but i see you are still advertising the wrong URL.
09:52:55 <ErCiccione> to be clear: matrix.monero.social won't work at all.
09:58:43 <Mumuks[m]> ErCiccione: you've misspelled monero.social , plus matrix.monero.social could be redirected
10:00:35 <ErCiccione> i did. Apologies. That's not that easy. The accounts have monero.social addresses the rooms have monero.social addresses. A redirect would be completely useless and misleading.
10:00:52 <ErCiccione> maybe better to correct the wrong guides/suggestions instead :)
10:02:13 <ErCiccione> The two shouldn't be mixed and the correct url should be advertised instead.
10:02:59 <ErCiccione> also, note that changing address for matrix equals creating an entire new homeserver. That would add to the confusion.
10:06:42 <Mumuks[m]> No, I meant only to redirect the HTML page at matrix.monero.social to monero.social, I think I misunderstood what you are pointing
10:08:39 <ErCiccione> but why? matrix.monero.social is a subdomain that don't exist. The solution is to simply stop advertising the wrong domain. That's it.
10:09:40 <Mumuks[m]> ErCiccione: matrix.monero.social works when you input it to the matrix client
10:10:05 <Mumuks[m]> I did not try with monero.social as server in the matrix cliemt
10:12:04 <ErCiccione> I don't understand. Your account is a matrix.org one. What are you referring to? The matrix.monero.social address is correctly not recognized, monero.social is
10:12:50 <ErCiccione> recognized
10:19:07 <Mumuks[m]> ErCiccione: I have also a monero.social account. To create that account I told the matrix client I wanted to connect to matrix.monero.social . That gave me a mumuks:monero.social account.
10:19:52 <Mumuks[m]> I have not tested if telling the matrix client I want to connect to the monero.social server works
10:26:00 <ErCiccione> So. Looks like there is a problem in the configuration of the server. I pointed out this too, but it's still there.
10:26:22 <ErCiccione> the only correct address should be `monero.social`, but for some reason `matrix.monero.social` is partially configured as well:
10:26:31 <ErCiccione> https://federationtester.matrix.org/#matrix.monero.social
10:26:41 <ErCiccione> https://federationtester.matrix.org/#monero.social
10:27:14 <ErCiccione> This is not itself a problem, but it becomes one when the matrix.monero.social address is advertised.
10:28:31 <ErCiccione> as i said. The solution for this is to stop advertising the URL`matrix.monero.social` and suggest the correct one: `monero.social`.
10:28:48 <ErCiccione> The only correct address is the one used for accounts and rooms (monero.social)
10:30:00 <Mumuks[m]> ErCiccione: if I understand you correctly, pointing the matrix client to monero.social should work the same and should be the way to access the server?
10:33:29 <ErCiccione> more or less, but it's not the same. It will work correctly instead of incorrectly. The fact that matrix.monero.social is probably an accident or what's left of a test. Some things might work, but others will be broken. The only good address is `monero.social`.
10:34:29 <Mumuks[m]> Ok
10:37:01 <ErCiccione>  * more or less, but it's not the same. It will work correctly instead of incorrectly. The fact that matrix.monero.social works is probably an accident or what's left of a test. Some things might work, but others will be broken. The only good address is `monero.social`.
13:59:30 <sgp_> ErCiccione: we tested with all 3 guides and they worked on the respective devices
14:00:20 <sgp_> And I'm told https://monero.social and http://monero.social do not work on iphone
14:01:17 <mechanic41turk[m> I entered `monero.social` (without https:// nor http://) and it worked.
14:01:36 <vikrants[m]> Works for me on iPhone.. I’m using element
14:03:54 <mechanic41turk[m> I am using element desktop.
14:04:51 <vikrants[m]> <mechanic41turk[m "I am using element desktop."> Mac? Element?
14:05:23 <mechanic41turk[m> Ubuntu.
14:05:33 <mechanic41turk[m> element.io
14:09:37 <sethsimmons> <midipoet "Also, can you call the command m"> You're best off entering it when starting the initial sync -- there is a utility to do it after a completed sync, but it takes longer than just resyncing from scratch.
14:12:10 * vikrants[m] uploaded an image: ima_bcc36ad.jpeg (137KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/bAULoglfQRdfSogbNhdLZqlx/ima_bcc36ad.jpeg >
14:13:01 <vikrants[m]> sgp here u go
14:13:15 <sgp_[m]> Ty
14:33:44 * sgp_[m] uploaded an image: Screenshot_20210227-083322_Element.jpg (69KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/JxIjqjsNaVVgBifZsCxrDgRm/Screenshot_20210227-083322_Element.jpg >
14:44:50 <mechanic41turk[m> afaik, the `matrix` part in front of the `monero.social` is unnecessary. Matrix is automatically looking for instances of matrix server, given a domain name.
14:45:16 <mechanic41turk[m> that's why, when I was creating my account on my homeserver, I didn't put `matrix` in front of its domain name.
15:05:05 <rupee[m]> <vikrants[m] "Works for me on iPhone.. I’m usi"> Not me. On the latest version of Element. I get an error saying invalid url
15:05:32 <rupee[m]> https://matrix.monero.social is the only way an error doesn't pop up
15:09:20 * rupee[m] uploaded an image: Image from iOS.jpg (43KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/YCEDHbkTHIVVBFYNwyaPIynT/Image from iOS.jpg >
15:09:34 * rupee[m] uploaded an image: File.jpg (47KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/monero.social/WbloqPzlCmSvrkIpyOLUpcfm/File.jpg >
15:11:58 <vikrants[m]> <rupee[m] "https://matrix.monero.social is "> Yeah that’s what i enter
15:34:06 <netrik182[m]> <sgp_[m] "Screenshot_20210227-083322_Eleme"> Mine shows as yours.
16:36:06 <xmrscott[m]1> <awhoa[m] "but yeah it would be a nice addi"> sethsimmons:  A suggestion from readers to your run-a-node blogpost: ^
16:51:36 <ErCiccione> sgp_ and others: guys, the only correct domain is monero.social. Subdomains could work, as i said, but the canonical address is the one  used by the accounts (`@username:monero.social`). This is all well explained in the synapse specs.
16:54:49 <ErCiccione> if you want to keep suggesting people to use `matrix.monero.social`, your choice. I'm telling you: that address is wrong. I also posted the link to the federation test, which failed for matrix.monero.social and succeeded for monero.social. More than that i cannot do.
17:15:37 <ErCiccione> <vikrants[m] "ima_bcc36ad.jpeg"> This is showing the identity server, not the homeserver. They are two different things.
17:22:49 <ErCiccione> actually, did you also install an identity server? That's unlikely (it's not in the synapse package and it's discouraged by matrix people)
17:23:06 <ErCiccione> because if you didn't adding that url in the identity server field won't do anything.
17:23:41 <ErCiccione> Mine shows as yours. <- It does not. U
17:23:57 <ErCiccione> You don't have an identity server setup and that's fine.
17:40:16 <rupee[m]> <ErCiccione "if you want to keep suggesting p"> Please show me how to make it work in element on iPhone without the subdomain. See the screenshots above where it fails if I only use monero.social.
17:43:49 <netrik182[m]> ErCiccione: I meant to say that on element for android, under settings I see my home server listed as https://matrix.monero.social
17:44:00 <netrik182[m]> I'll logout and enter monero.social instead
17:45:50 <netrik182[m]> right, so when I enter monero.social, it loads a new screen that reads "Conect to matrix.monero.social" and asks for username/pass
17:45:58 <netrik182[m]> ^on android
17:47:30 <ErCiccione> if monero.social is not working for some reason there is some problem with the setup of synapse. If matrix.monero.social, works, it shouldn't.
18:02:26 <sethsimmons> <xmrscott[m]1 "sethsimmons:  A suggestion from "> I believe I already link to the docs and the command is in the commands I give, but I'll take a look and see if I can make it more explicit.
18:02:44 <rehrar> So it should be that to log in you have to go to matrix.monero.social, but the usernames themselves show a :monero.social path
18:03:19 <rehrar> This was in the docs for a configuration setting specifically because they realized people would probably use subdomains for the actual server, so as not to take up an entire domain, but still want it to appear as if it's just from that domain so it's not so long to type.
18:13:48 <ErCiccione> if people cannot reliably use it, there is something wrong in the configuration. I, for example, have set it up using `monero.social`.
18:14:27 <ErCiccione> rehrar: do you have a link to these docs?
18:18:23 <rehrar> looking, I'll ask pigeons
18:25:15 <pigeons> ErCiccione: can you summarizr or PM me the issue
18:31:23 <zach[m]1> Just FYI I had the same problem. On Reddit this server was advertised as matrix.Monero.social and it messed me up. I am new to matrix and it took me over 30 minutes + some troubleshooting with others to realize I should only enter Monero.social.
18:33:03 <pigeons> enter monero.social where? as the homeserver?
18:36:26 <pigeons> OK I think I see what people are saying. Rehrar and I are expecting the homeserver to be matrix.monero.social yet it appears that actually using that isn't working for people and instead monero.social is
18:36:32 <zach[m]1> Yes. In my Element client I wanted to browse the rooms on the Monero.social server and I kept entering the subdomain since it was the URL advertised.
18:36:33 <pigeons> Is that the issue?
18:36:47 <pigeons> OK thanks, I will look into this
18:37:33 <mechanic41turk[m> pigeons: ErCiccione also argues that new users signing up using the monero.social matrix server, should NOT input matrix.monero.social as the address of their homeserver.
18:37:59 <rehrar> I mean ultimately we want it to be monero.social
18:38:03 <mechanic41turk[m> He says that new users signing up on the monero.social matrix server should put in ONLY monero.social to their homeserver address.
18:38:15 <rehrar> But I don't want to use the DNS to take that whole thing. I may want ti use it for something else.
18:38:30 <mechanic41turk[m> This is during the signing up process.
18:38:40 <rehrar> So I want the things to point to the subdomain matrix.monero.social
18:38:46 <rehrar> But I want the names to appear as monero.social
18:38:56 <rehrar> And this what we have right now. If there is a better way to do it let me know.
18:40:11 <pigeons> Yes the matrix services for monero.social will be delegated to the matrix.monero.social server. Although we had tested with a few different machines and domains and configurations and it seems like maybe we have something that needs to be corrected.
18:40:24 <mechanic41turk[m> rehrar: you are right, this is what you guys have with your matrix homeserver. A few people in here have reported that they have inputted matrix.monero.social when they created their accounts. However, on the matrix client element interface, I can see their homeserver shown as `:monero.social`
18:40:46 <pigeons> that is how it will appear because of the delegation
18:41:23 <pigeons> But I do take note of some of the comments here, especially the fact that things need to be clear and work as expected, so I'm going to verify things
18:41:26 <rehrar[m]> What we have now is how I would like to keep it btw. At least in terms of the end results.
18:41:38 <rehrar[m]> I don't want to people to see @rehrar:matrix.monero.social
18:41:54 <rehrar[m]> and I also don't want to use the entire monero.social domain for this matrix server.
18:42:00 <mechanic41turk[m> <rehrar[m] "I don't want to people to see @r"> You are not displayed like that, don't worry.
18:42:21 <rehrar[m]> I realize that, yes. What we have currently is the way I want it to be, but if we can achieve that through a cleaner backend then we can do that.
18:43:06 <rehrar[m]> People will probably need to sign up with matrix.monero.social, but some are saying they can do the sign up with just monero.social.
18:43:15 <rehrar[m]> Can I have confirmation that someone signed up with just monero.social
18:43:17 <mechanic41turk[m> <rehrar[m] "People will probably need to sig"> yes
18:43:24 <rehrar[m]> I know I signed up with matrix.monero.social
18:43:43 <rehrar[m]> so I know that works. If someone else signed up with monero.social, then that means maybe both should work?
18:43:46 * yun[m] uploaded an image: image.png (1106KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/wah.gg/lOgsrvmDbUOpmkaLuocpDpPR/image.png >
18:43:47 <yun[m]> Looks like it might allow you to:
18:43:50 <yun[m]>  * Looks like it might allow you to
18:44:16 <rehrar[m]> Cool. So you should be able to sign up with either. And if one gives you an error for some reason, then try the other. :P
18:44:35 <pigeons> https://matrix.monero.social can you verify that works as a homeserver for registration?
18:44:58 * yun[m] uploaded an image: image.png (682KiB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/wah.gg/xnmepyuKYeKHYaoNkEMpGwVx/image.png >
18:45:08 <yun[m]> No errors at least on change
18:45:12 <rehrar[m]> seems so
18:45:41 <pigeons> If someone uses "monero.social, the client will look up this record to find the homeserver https://monero.social/.well-known/matrix/server
18:46:03 <rehrar[m]> which points to matrix.monero.social, so it's covered, yeah pigeons?
18:46:21 <pigeons> So far this appears to be working as expected yes
19:11:43 <ErCiccione> chatting about it with pigeons. Will be probably better to drop matrix.monero.social and use only monero.social. He is testing stuff at the moment. I may disconnect soon.
19:23:08 <TenFootAlice> if only there was a Chat that could be Relayed on the Internet
19:23:18 <TenFootAlice> CRI
19:29:33 <ErCiccione> and with "drop" i mean that should not be advertised. The expected behaviour should make people should make people use only `monero.social`, but under the hood everything is on `matrix.monero.social`.
20:37:16 <jsun[m]> is there a list of all Monero channels somewhere?
20:40:58 <rehrar[m]> The hangouts page on getmonero.org
20:43:49 <jsun[m]> thank you