09:29:54 <ayahuaza> What do you think would be the drawbacks of using atomic swaps? Will they be easily accessed for newbies for example?
09:30:11 <ayahuaza> non-tech people
09:30:33 <ayahuaza> "non-tech savvy"
09:56:12 <charolastra> once that's implemented i'm sure it will be an easy option in the wallets
09:58:27 <ayahuaza> would be amazing
10:12:42 <charolastra> but afaik that still takes some years, if ever
10:19:14 <midipoet> years?
10:21:01 <jakoson0> Did you know that all witdraw-buyer-seller-depoist chains are trackable in Monero? No? You should have read Breaking Monero. How many people are you endangering with your 'privacy' coin?
10:22:42 <charolastra> yes, years. i've heard that bitcoin will maby implement it next year. then other blockchains will have to follow
10:25:23 <ayahuaza> @jakoson0 wut?
10:26:13 <jess> ayahuaza: ignore it
10:26:33 <charolastra> he does that every day
10:26:46 <charolastra> classic FUD
10:28:13 <ayahuaza> IRS ;D
10:34:39 <jess> the more you talk about it, the more he does it
10:34:55 <jess> so the ideal is that you pretend it didn't happen whenever it does happen
10:39:45 <ayahuaza> noted
11:44:22 <dEBRUYNE> ayahuaza: Depends on the UI/UX I guess
11:44:29 <dEBRUYNE> Uniswap is fairly successful though and is essentially a DEX
12:29:48 <shillo> uniswap but for cross chain stuff would be amazing
12:53:42 <gingeropolous> ayahuaza, i think the drawback is that people selling monero for BTC using these atomic swaps are going to end up with tainted bitcoin that they can't sell on exchanges
12:55:00 <gingeropolous> so, i still don't see the market dynamics for this that work, but opening a new route to purchase monero is always good i guess
12:55:35 <gingeropolous> because hell, centralized exchanges aren't everything, and in a post-fiat world I guess it doesn't matter
12:56:28 <gingeropolous> but I think newbies will end up burned in many case, trading monero for bitcoin, then transferring bitcoin to coinbase, and then having their assets frozen because they're blacklisted
13:16:19 <ayahuaza> could be yeah
13:48:26 <Inge-> There will definitely be a market for sellers of "known good btc"
13:48:29 <Inge-> xmr.to is one
13:49:13 <Inge-> gingeropolous: also, it would probably be possible to run chainanalysis on the offered BTC UTXO before you complete the swap
13:50:00 <sech1> My chainalysis is very simple: if it's not 1 hop away from mined block, then it's bad
13:50:24 <Inge-> that heuristic works too
13:50:57 <Inge-> how much is a $140 put contract on GME?
14:54:25 <luigi1111w> Inge- halted
14:54:31 <luigi1111w> and which expiration?
14:57:18 <luigi1111w> $5500 or so for feb
14:59:59 <shillo> ops talking markets stuff in -community smh
15:00:17 <luigi1111w> why was that question in community, lol
15:52:21 <Inge-> luigi1111w: GAP UP!
15:52:24 <Inge-> ahahaha
15:52:38 <Inge-> Crypto ded. All speculators are aping into gamestop
15:55:18 <donkeydonkey[m]> <gingeropolous "ayahuaza, i think the drawback i"> is there a list of tainted coin?
15:56:18 <gingeropolous> some are publicly known - i think various states have banned particular addresses. And most are privately known by chain analysis companies.
15:56:55 <gingeropolous> thats the beauty of it for the end user. you never know if your bitcoin is good until you send it to an exchange and they start to analyze the provenance of your bitcoin
15:57:24 <gingeropolous> but i guess you can do your own chain analysis if you have the skills, or pay the extortion fee to those companies to do it for you
15:59:40 <Inge-> gingeropolous: or companies get a reputation for providing "safe" coins - e.g. xmr.to
16:00:19 <LyzaL> I've had coins straight from an exchange get flagged by chainanalysis lol. I was able to get it cleared up but still.
16:00:52 <LyzaL> and I mean a big centralized Fiat exchange, not some 2-bit c2c exchange
16:11:13 <xmrscott[m]> > > <@freenode_gingeropolous:matrix.org> ayahuaza, i think the drawback is that people selling monero for BTC using these atomic swaps are going to end up with tainted bitcoin that they can't sell on exchanges
16:11:13 <xmrscott[m]> > is there a list of tainted coin?
16:11:13 <xmrscott[m]> There at one point was a url you could visit to get basically a risk/taint score from Chainaylsis(?). Depending on how atomic swap is implemented might be able to peak before XMR seller commits
22:02:58 <dEBRUYNE> Anyone know if Dr. Daniel Kim is on IRC?
22:03:46 <Inge-> He has been
22:07:42 <Inge-> Are you getting him on Realvision?
22:08:55 <dEBRUYNE> I am not personally in contact with them, but was curious if he was already in contact with the person that posted the RV threads on Reddit
22:09:56 <Inge-> Did the OP ever confirm any actual connection with RV?
22:11:55 <Inge-> Will be interesting to see. Did you get their crypto paper that was released today?
22:22:46 <dEBRUYNE> Raoul confirmed on Twitter that they will be covering privacy coins
22:22:49 <dEBRUYNE> Haven't seen it yet