01:48:07 Great stats shared on Reddit, dEBRUYNE ! 01:48:17 yeah good one 01:48:30 I shared on Twitter but would be good to share via the main account as well, those are very important metrics for people to see IMO. 16:26:17 Remember kids. If you call project coral reef for what it is - fluffy embezzling half a mil usd from the monero fund for a website with smaller adoption than monero woo plugin, you will get excommunicated. 16:54:24 Meeting here in five minutes. 17:00:28 hey everyone. Time for a meeting. 17:00:32 1. Greetings 17:00:36 Who's here? 17:00:48 Hello. 17:01:46 hi 17:03:22 Anyone else? :) 17:03:32 If not, this may be a short meeting, but that's ok. 17:03:46 2. CCS updates 17:04:07 Just two to discuss. 17:04:11 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/200 17:04:37 mj part time coding 17:04:49 as far as I know there weren't any issues with the last one? 17:05:05 but it seems selsta isn't here to verify 17:05:25 I'll leave the floor open for a couple of minutes for anyone to chime in. If not, we'll move on. 17:07:27 oh, hai. 17:08:34 Alright, let's move on. 17:08:37 v1docq47[m]: your up 17:08:37 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/203 17:08:37 you got another CCS proposal. 17:08:37 How's your work been going so far? 17:09:26 Everything is fine, I plan to finish the CDC transcripts and the ZtM translation 17:09:49 and of course new content for the youtube channel 17:10:08 Cool, well I see no issues with your thing, so hopefully it'll be moved soon. 17:10:32 There's no workgroup leaders here to give a report, so doing the Workgroup reports won't be eventful 17:10:51 But we still do have 4. Mattermost deprecation 17:11:42 Basically sgp_ has opened an issue (https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/534) to deprecate our mattermost instance. It's seen moderate usage, and the bridges are somewhat unstable. 17:12:50 The reasoning being that Mattermost has a few large security issues that haven't been fixed (and have to be paid for via the freemium model), and Matrix has evolved much in the past two years and is not quite able to bridge to IRC effectively and with little downtime. 17:12:59 Any comments? 17:13:56 MO heads have been historically very reluctant to hop on IRC, but they've also been tipped about matrix bridges. perhaps deprecating it leaving a note for users relying on it to move to matrix would be warranted? there might be other users besides MO members that use the bridge as well; would be helpful not to shut down the instance without a heads-up. 17:14:36 yes, it would be done gradually, but the process would be started 17:14:40 and if it helps those who have kept it on to have one responsibility less on their shoulders, it's a win situation. 17:15:16 i'm for it, and when possible, wouldn't mind telling the bridgers to move to the glorious [m] tag. 17:15:43 cool. thanks for your thoughts rotten 17:17:56 anyone else? 17:18:06 if not, I think we can call it here at a 20 min meeting. :P 17:18:48 thanks for keeping up with revuo. 17:19:05 No worries. We've been going for over a year. Woo! 17:19:06 and welcome back from holiday vacation. 17:19:10 thanks :) 17:20:44 alright. meeting over. thanks for coming! 17:21:33 oh, lol, msvb-lab you just rejoined. 17:21:44 Did you have anything to say about this issue: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/534 17:23:50 Yes, I'm here. 17:24:06 Also, if you had a hardware update for us, that'd be cool too. 17:24:33 You rehrar are asking my opinion about if we should deprecate Mattermost as sgp recommends? 17:25:12 yes. Since Matrix covers most bases these days, and mattermost has some security issues if you don't pay for their freemium service. Issues that they won't fix because it interferes with their revenue model. 17:25:23 My opinion is not so valid, because I have not paid attention to the reasons he gave. I guess I would agree to deprecate Mattermost if it is using resources and not serving us well. 17:25:36 Ok. Thanks. :) 17:25:37 I use Mattermost about once per year. 17:27:33 The hardware activities (across all electronic devices) at the moment relate to advanced topics like crystal oscillation and load capacitors. We've received instruments to measure and adjust this, but the information is too advanced to explain in this meeting. 17:27:54 Alrighty. That's fine. 17:28:08 Well msvb-lab, we decided to call the meeting early because not many people showed up this time. 17:28:14 Thanks for asking. Do you have an update about any of your current projects? 17:28:15 Unless you had something you wanted to discuss? 17:28:25 kastelo wen. 17:28:26 msvb-lab: yes, Revuo Periodical is coming soon. Will sum up the year 2020. 17:30:02 There was a question about Defcon from xmrscott[m] I think, so maybe it's relevant to say that the vending managers (people who give permission to occupy a space in the DC vending area) asked if the village would return this year. 17:30:27 msvb-lab: are they planning for a physical conference? 17:30:29 I was confused why the vending managers (different than the village managers) were asking about us, so I requested more information. 17:30:38 ok, thanks for doing that. 17:30:43 They made it clear that the conference may be physical or online, but not decided yet. 17:31:00 understood 17:31:19 It could be that they are planning for a physical conference, because that kind of planning takes more time. But it is not a stable indication that a physical one will happen. 17:32:16 I think rotten is involved each time a Revuo is published, is he here? 17:32:58 i mean, i should be way more involved, or so i wish. i just brigade for it and plaster it all over the place. 17:33:02 but first... kastelo wen. 17:33:07 rotten: posts it on reddit. 17:33:11 I do the Revuo on my own otherwise 17:33:28 it's all rehrar's credit, work, sweat, time, effort. 17:35:13 A Kastelo workshop is half done, which I must send to a traning organiser this week. But I may call it something else, because the device used is a developer kit derivative. 17:35:51 I see, so rotten promotes the Revuo after rehrar writes and publishes it. 17:36:04 sure 17:36:29 i might be misremembering here, but a handful of meetings back you hinted a dev kit might become available 'soon' and we never got it. :-( was it because of covid supply chain shocks? 17:37:39 The developer kit is a branded derivative of the complete design, so if a paper manual is distributed it has 'Developer Kit' written at the top. 17:38:32 Because that should accompany a moulded enclosure (which is partially delayed by the pandemic) and the enclosure design must change due to supply of the USB connector failing, that is one of a handful of delaying factors. 17:39:16 Another factor is that the developer kit target date was the Konferenco which was cancelled. 17:39:44 gotcha 17:39:54 And the funding to provide the free of charge devices could have been linked to entrance fees, none of which was developed due to the cancellation. 17:40:28 It's too bad we can't get further with 2021 plans for a Konferenco, as sgp seemed to want to begin considerations about it a week ago. 17:40:43 yes. We have to wait and see how the continued pandemic situation develops for that. 17:41:26 thanks for explaining. putting aside pandemic shocks, usb shenanigans, and konferenco's cancellation, would you say such derivative dev kit was as almost ready, or ready as i portrayed it to be weeks ago? 17:41:44 s/weeks/months 17:41:44 rotten meant to say: thanks for explaining. putting aside pandemic shocks, usb shenanigans, and konferenco's cancellation, would you say such derivative dev kit was as almost ready, or ready as i portrayed it to be months ago? 17:41:49 rehrar: I'm sure you don't think we should wait until the 'pandemic is over', which may be a rediculous target. If that's true, then the question is, when to start planning. Like maybe 6 months before we think a EU or US conference is allowed for the first time. 17:43:11 there's been light discussion over pandemic concerns, and consensus seems to have pushed it to 2022. unless a remote, virtual conference turns into gear down the line. for 2021, that is. in person conf. is most likely pushed to 2022. all of this lightly discussed, nothing truly formal. 17:43:33 At this moment I'm working on another project which concludes in a month, and which provides the kind of money that the plastic moulders need to produce the enclosures. It's too complicated to describe any part of it (for example the enclosure) as almost ready. 17:43:41 msvb-lab: I'm unsure what to think at the moment. I'm actively monitoring the pandemic situation and my opinions are developing slowly. 17:44:27 My next step is to get enough money to make paying for moulding possible, and to replace the design portions that cause a tooling (steel routed injection block) to change. 17:44:45 thanks for your comments. much appreciated. 17:45:48 Planning the next Konference could be very chaotic if wait until all or most pandemic problems resolve. That would be too late and give us problems, but probably none of us has a good answer to the question of when to start planning. 17:46:45 planning prematurely would be more disastrous. We would count on and reserve space and then be told close to the conference that several people might not be allowed in the country or venue. 17:46:59 ^ 17:47:06 I mean problems like 'okay now that we can finally have a conference there are just two months to plan it before winter begins... better cancel it again due to the short timespace, even though now we don't have a strong pandemic...' 17:47:11 Nobody is saying to wait until the pandemic is 100% over, but it would be incredibly unwise to do anything other than wait atm. 17:47:59 I think we should wait as well, but it doesn't feel so good. And as sgp wrote, I think he mentioned that ZCon is planning a physical conference as he asked if we should start as well. 17:48:16 So there are a few considerations to make discussing it (like right here) worthwhile. 17:48:36 Sure. I don't disagree that the discussion is always on the table. 17:48:54 But as for my opinion, I say we wait. Revisit in a month or so. 17:49:20 Does anyone know if there is a space meeting today? I think sometimes it is right after the community meeting? Because it may be a better topic for that time? 17:49:31 no space meeting today. 17:49:53 likely no space meeting tomorrow either. they're usually on sundays not to clash with community's on saturdays. 17:50:26 rotten: Okay, I guess I got it wrong. I want to attend the next one. 17:51:12 aight. 17:51:17 well imma bounce out. have a few things to do. 17:51:19 cya guys! 17:51:33 By bye, thanks for moderating the meeting rehrar. 17:51:43 look forward to periodical. thanks for the preannouncement of the announcement. 18:29:29 re: DC, the reason they might be 'planning' for a physical is because I think Caesars is the one that has to break the contract. If DC does it, DC pays fines, etc 21:18:08 https://www.reddit.com/r/xmrtrader/comments/l3hdmi/fluffypony_debunks_supply_auditability_fud/ 21:18:08 [REDDIT] Fluffypony debunks supply auditability FUD (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n1GKi27WC0&t=84s) to r/xmrtrader | 23 points (97.0%) | 4 comments | Posted by geonic_ | Created at 2021-01-23 - 18:24:23 21:18:25 Roger crawled out of the woodwork 21:20:51 don't ignore the FUD. attack the FUD. or make fudge with it 21:22:54 ty :) 21:25:33 :) 22:04:36 lol he's on YouTube too 22:04:53 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n1GKi27WC0 22:04:53 [ Is Monero's supply auditable? Fluffypony explains - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 22:04:57 the man does not rest 22:11:02 Where was Roger? Did he kicked off his island by the community for not shutting the fuck up? 22:25:07 I remember feeling sympathy for the guy back in 2017. how wrong I was 23:22:11 The thing is though. Trying to move whether BTC it ETH is pretty expensive at the moment. At least in the wallets I use. 23:22:20 It's a right fucking pain in the ass