00:50:08 <xmrscott[m]> Because FireIce is broke and desperate to bring people into their scamcoin lol. Tried to raise the dev tax on said scamcoin recently and failed
10:28:29 <TomTom33> Hi
10:30:45 <xmready> hi
10:43:14 <thetasteofmoney> What kind of person steals from own community?https://np.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6d5yt5/_/ Your own leadership is laughing at how stupid you are for falling for thier 'Magical Crypto Friendship'.
10:43:14 <thetasteofmoney> jess: You are needed right now to save fluffypony's honour ^^
10:43:17 <monerobux> [REDDIT] What fluffypony just did is not ok (self.Monero) | 233 points (71.0%) | 415 comments | Posted by darawk | Created at 2017-05-24 - 23:42:13
14:07:56 <sethsimmons> Not a fan of promoting this via the official Monero channel FWIW: https://twitter.com/sethisimmons/status/1346816549475250176?s=20
14:36:44 <lh1008[m]> sethsimmons: everything is important, thanks for making notice of this.
14:41:49 <wowario[m]> official Monero account retweeting this kinda implies a stamp of approval
14:41:49 <monerobux> wowario[m]: 2021-01-06 - 11:36:11 <rotten> tell wowario[m] <wowario> by the power vested in me by our lord and savior thankful_for_today, let it be known, now and forever, that rottensox is an honorary member of the wow developer team and shall enjoy all rights and privileges thereof
15:05:23 <rotten> yeah, kind of a bad rap to be endorsing wrapped monono tbh, and more so from the official^tm account.
15:06:31 <sethsimmons> Yeah, not a fan.
15:06:44 <sethsimmons> At least BTSE updated the article with my suggestions, but not sure that is a good thing to promote overll.
15:06:48 <sethsimmons> dEBRUYNE: sgp_ ?
15:15:36 <sethsimmons> They also have complete blacklist functionality in the wXMR contract
15:15:49 <sethsimmons> Can we please undo that retweet? Or at least have a discussion whoever RTd it?
15:17:31 <sgp_> I didn't RT
15:17:44 <sgp_> I can undo for now
15:19:41 <sgp_> Okay, undone
15:19:42 <fluffypony> dEBRUYNE and I discussed it, and I didn't see the problem with retweeting it - it's an exchange that accepts Monero that's dishing out IOUs
15:19:45 <fluffypony> I think it's dumb
15:19:53 <fluffypony> but it will bring liquidity
15:20:02 <fluffypony> it would be crazy to ignore stuff like wBTC-backed loans on Aave
15:20:30 <fluffypony> the BTC community tried to pretend wBTC didn't exist, and that didn't play out particularly well either
15:20:33 <sgp_> I think their blog post just left a bad taste in my mouth
15:20:46 <fluffypony> sgp_: sethsimmons and I reached out to them to complain about that
15:20:53 <sgp_> Then in Telegram they kinda doubled down against Seth
15:21:10 <fluffypony> but I think we're getting close to a "no true Scotsman" situation
15:21:20 <fluffypony> we can't tell people how they should or shouldn't use Monero
15:21:28 <sgp_> fwiw I at least mostly agree, I'm not against someone offering a wrapped version
15:21:28 <fluffypony> we can list best practices
15:22:08 <sgp_> Maybe tell BTSE an RT when they revise the post? Did they already?
15:22:17 <sethsimmons> Im fine with not officially denouncing it
15:22:17 <fluffypony> no clue, about to go live on a podcast
15:22:21 <sgp_> Okay
15:22:23 <fluffypony> will check in after
15:22:24 <sethsimmons> But RTing is an active endorsement
15:22:46 <sethsimmons> <sgp_ "Maybe tell BTSE an RT when they "> They revised and reached out to me
15:22:48 <sgp_> I think you're putting a little too much pressure seth
15:22:49 <sethsimmons> But I cant see the update
15:23:07 <fluffypony> sethsimmons: we RT exchanges adding Monero all the time, doesn't mean we endorse them
15:23:19 <sethsimmons> This isnt Monero
15:23:23 <fluffypony> it is
15:23:25 <fluffypony> they accept Monero
15:23:32 <fluffypony> the fact that they issue an iOS is tangential
15:23:36 <fluffypony> IOU
15:23:36 <fluffypony> lol
15:23:39 <fluffypony> stupid autocorrect
15:23:43 <sethsimmons> <sgp_ "I think you're putting a little "> I may be a bit fired up 😕
15:24:06 <fluffypony> let's see what their new blog post looks like
15:24:12 <sgp_> Haha yeah it's not XMR but to think there's no relevance is too far imo
15:24:57 <sethsimmons> Im not saying there is no relevance
15:24:59 <sethsimmons> But I have no idea how we can recommend this
15:25:07 <sethsimmons> It removes every positive aspect of Monero when used
15:25:22 <sgp_> Think about it as like using Bisq
15:25:25 <fluffypony> sethsimmons: it lets people play with DeFi whilst holding XMR as an underlying asset
15:25:35 <sgp_> When trading Bisq all details are public since it's on BTC base
15:25:57 <sgp_> You're right there's no real privacy
15:26:22 <sgp_> They (BTSE) should be VERY clear about that
15:27:21 <sethsimmons> No
15:27:24 <sethsimmons> Bisq is non-custodial
15:27:41 <sgp_> Sorry was just talking about the privacy perspective
15:27:52 <sethsimmons> And the XMR TX is not linked on-chain
15:27:58 <sethsimmons> Whihc I guess this one isnt either
15:29:31 <sethsimmons> But this is fully custodial, centralized, and the wrapped token carries none of the properties of Monero
15:29:41 <sethsimmons> I'm fine with not publicly denouncing it through official channels.
15:29:51 <sethsimmons> But I cannot get behind endorsing/sharing it
15:30:24 <sgp_> I encourage you to continue sharing the risks clearly
15:30:37 <sgp_> There definitely are risks
15:30:54 <sgp_> And there will be a bunch of people who offer their own wXMR
15:34:09 <Lyza> I think the comparison to an exchange is apt. What do we do when exchanges list, I assume we mention it unless we have specific cause to believe the exchange is shady. I'm not familiar with what kind of reputation BTSE has though
15:35:25 <Lyza> Ig the main difference is exchanges have private ledgers and this is public. but as long as that's clear, Idk
15:36:01 <Lyza> well, now I'm thinking about it, and we do generally recommend to people that they don't keep coins on exchange. wrapping eth is sort of like keeping your coins on a public exchange
15:36:12 <Lyza> wrapping xmr*
15:36:36 <sgp_> Their proposed new wording is so dumb lol
15:36:55 <sgp_> "Additionally, Monero is a cryptocurrency with historically strong privacy features which sometimes is a disadvantage. When a user obtains Wrapped Monero, it allows them to provide transparency necessary in a world where KYC/AML is increasingly required because wrapped Monero has the same transparency as other ERC-20 tokens in the Ethereum blockchain."
15:37:23 <sgp_> Like, they support XMR also as-is and are supposedly compliant lol
15:37:34 <sethsimmons> yeah its a dumb opinion piece now
15:37:44 <sethsimmons> But at least its not blatantly false and misleading
16:12:00 <Mumuks[m]> <sethsimmons "But at least its not blatantly f"> It is misleading, extremely. Not false technically, but borderline to being false. It is written to give the impression that Monero has no view keys.
16:13:24 <sgp_> Yeah it's stupid
16:26:55 <sethsimmons> <Mumuks[m] "It is misleading, extremely. Not"> Agreed! It’s still terribly written and I’m totally against RTing it, but I see it’s been shared again.
16:27:14 <sethsimmons> Oh well, I’ve said my piece and done what I can.
19:39:47 <Valdim6606> “I thought, ‘I’m going to pump it and dump it,’ because I was interested and taking the ideas and implementing them in bitcoin. The bitcoin code base was far more interesting to me than monero, and I thought, ‘I’m not going to work on this codebase, it’s terrible,'” he recalls - fluffypony in interview about Monero
19:39:48 <Valdim6606> jess: You need to save fluffypony's honour urgently ^^
19:44:33 <nioc> there used to be a show back in the ancient times, the dead end kids