02:44:49 <kinghat[m]> https://reason.com/2020/11/17/feds-propose-even-more-surveillance-of-your-banking-habits/
15:31:12 <xmrpow> Holy.... Have you heart about the new btc pool from DMG Blockchains Solution? They are planing to censor transactions by filtering the mempool for illegal transactions and they are just including the "legal" ones in the blocks. (https://bitcoinblog.de/2020/11/17/neuer-mining-pool-wirbt-damit-bitcoin-transaktionen-zu-zensieren/) One reason more why we need base layer privacy...
16:07:42 <Mumuks[m]> xmrpow: not surprised. They were also behing turning BTC into a 1MegGreg chain. They are compromised.
16:09:15 <Mumuks[m]> BTC is walking dead. It is just a matter of time for the price to reflect it. Whwn they decide they have enough control they'll drop the btc chain
16:10:33 <brett-s[m]> Mumuks: I think 'walking dead' is wishful thinking. the elephant in the room wont go away anytime soon. BTC will get privacy enhancements that keep it interesting over time
16:11:01 <Mumuks[m]> brett-s: it could but it won't.
16:11:29 <brett-s[m]> Mumuks: agreed, but here is to hoping. core devs should be moving faster...this is true
16:12:26 <brett-s[m]> everyday lost on BTC is another day's gain for XMR
16:15:38 <Mumuks[m]> brett-s It is not about speed, it is about wanting tomake btc usefuç or wanting the opposite, hence it could but it won't. Anyway, I know people have different opinions on this. Time will tell.
16:51:46 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> Hey all.
16:51:47 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:51:48 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I have made the following proposal: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/180
16:51:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:51:51 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I have set the proposal expiration date to 19/11/2020.
16:51:52 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:51:53 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I have already finished the first milestone, the translation of the GUI Wallet.
16:51:55 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> 2430 Words.
16:51:56 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:51:57 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I have also reviewd the translation that has already been done by other parties for the GUI Wallet.
16:51:59 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:52:00 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> The work was completed with the collaboration of https://repo.getmonero.org/tseligas071
16:52:01 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:52:03 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> Currently we continue with our second milestone, translation of the getmonero.org website.
16:52:04 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:52:05 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> How should I proceed?
16:52:06 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
16:52:08 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> Thank you very much!
17:02:12 <dixie__flatline[> https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/jyd6vr/as_monero_is_brigading_this_subredit_to_get/
17:02:13 <monerobux> [REDDIT] As Monero is brigading this subredit to "get Monero noticed", let's remember that is a broken coin is tracked by multiple tracing companies and shouldn't be relied on for anything private. (self.ProtonMail) | 21 points (84.0%) | 7 comments | Posted by dudaev1987 | Created at 2020-11-21 - 16:05:50
17:02:23 <dixie__flatline[> can we get some insightful comments on this reddit thread?
17:02:35 <dixie__flatline[> some protonmail user is spreading needless fud
17:02:48 <dixie__flatline[> I don't get what's the problem with these proton users
17:33:33 <rehrar> oeAdgK01: why are there several proposals with the exact same formatting? I'm guessing someone told some friends of yours that they can make money with translations at Monero?
17:34:32 <sethsimmons> https://reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/jyd6vr/_/gd2xyw0/?context=1
17:34:33 <monerobux> [REDDIT] As Monero is brigading this subredit to "get Monero noticed", let's remember that is a broken coin is tracked by multiple tracing companies and shouldn't be relied on for anything private. (self.ProtonMail) | 22 points (72.0%) | 12 comments | Posted by dudaev1987 | Created at 2020-11-21 - 16:05:50
17:34:46 <sethsimmons> Responded dixie__flatline
17:35:19 <sethsimmons> I’m not a fan of how people jumped into the original thread to pitch Monero where I don’t think it makes sense, but his claims are still senseless.
17:35:29 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @rehrar What do you mean?
17:35:57 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @rehrar I don't know why. The only person I know from here is @staff91
17:37:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> We worked together years ago for the same company.
17:38:09 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> https://repo.getmonero.org/tseligas071 is a friend of mine.
17:38:37 <sethsimmons> <dixie__flatline[ "https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonM"> Weirdly that guy has a post history that is a big fan of Monero, and then suddenly left the community 5mo ago.
17:38:53 <dixie__flatline[> Interesting
17:39:35 <rehrar> oeAdgK01: because right now we have many many like yours. https://ccs.getmonero.org/ideas/
17:39:42 <rehrar> Do you know these other people?
17:40:12 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> other than the guys mentioned above no.
17:40:15 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I saw that too.
17:40:32 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I guess the copied my proposal?
17:40:39 <rehrar> Also, your proposal hasn't been merged yet and the funds have not yet been raised. So I would stop working until it is merged.
17:40:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I guess theycopied my proposal?
17:40:53 <rehrar> It's possible yes. Very strange.
17:41:05 <rehrar> You were the first, so I have no doubt yours was unique.
17:41:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @rehrar The website mentions that one can start translating before the merge.
17:42:10 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> From https://ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs/
17:42:13 <rehrar> That's correct, but it is possible that the community denies your request and does not raise the money. At that point the work you've done would be for free.
17:42:20 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> 6. Your work on the project can begin before the proposal is fully funded, and milestones may (at times) be paid out before the proposal is fully funded.
17:42:24 <rehrar> If you're ok with that, then feel free to continue.
17:43:02 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @rehrar That's understandable of course
17:43:19 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> Should I wait for a reviewer for my translations?
17:43:48 <rehrar> Since you were the first, I don't see the issue with yours getting merged. The others are somewhat suspicious, so I might wait or not merge those. We'll see. I'll try to talk to the proposers.
17:43:53 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> That's how translating for Decred was.
17:44:06 <rehrar> Reviewers are good, yes.
17:44:12 <rehrar> Erciccione, are you hear?
17:44:21 <rehrar> Can you confirm the work on the first milestone was done?
17:44:45 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @rehrar Awesome!!!
17:44:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> Thanks!!!
17:47:20 <rehrar> You're welcome.
17:56:31 <lh1008[m]> Hello everyone
17:59:29 <rehrar> Hi
18:01:55 <msvb-lab> The title in this channel indicates our meeting starts now, but the community calendar states a different time. Is there a meeting?
18:01:59 <xmrmatterbridge> <georgeggot> @rehrar I know @darckme and @rodrigoklx . They asked me about the proposal process. I told them to copy another one and replace the relevant fields. I don't know anyone else. I almost finished translating the website with @ivaylo7s. I am waiting for a review.
18:02:53 <rehrar> Oh. Lol. The title of the channel needs to change, huh? That's not something I'm used to doing.
18:03:35 <rehrar> No meeting this week msvb-lab . We had a mini one the past couple of weeks. But did you have something to share or ask about? If so, please do so.
18:05:13 <msvb-lab> rehrar: Thanks for confirming the meeting, I'll go back to work on other things then.
18:05:47 <rehrar> I see. Thanks for the clarification georgegot. We'll see what the community thinks of the proposed translation work. Ill make a post on the Reddit and the new forum thing to see what people think about the proposed work.
18:05:47 <lh1008[m]> Not sure to if this is a question for today but georgeggot is asking about proposals, when will there be a meeting to discuss about them?
18:06:12 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: what are your thoughts on the new translation related proposals?
18:06:30 <lh1008[m]> I also have a proposal but I came here for the meeting whatever we we're going to discuss
18:07:20 <lh1008[m]> Well, we have to translate at all cost. I do have a proposal for my one so I don't want to sound like I'm interested only for that.
18:08:01 <lh1008[m]> Communities are growing and they need their language translated.
18:08:14 <lh1008[m]> They need terms, clarification.
18:08:18 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @lh1008 I am here for the meeting as well.
18:08:21 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> Hey!
18:09:01 <lh1008[m]> Some are technical and could do with english but for the user who will download a lighter wallet or use the GUI need their language translated.
18:09:13 <lh1008[m]> I vote for languages to be funded.
18:10:06 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> #monero-translators : Let's localize Monero into every language
18:10:26 <lh1008[m]> Atomic swaps are being discussed, triptych is necessary to understand, dandelion is also something worth talking about. Attacks are being done to the blockchain, people ask what are those attacks and we need termonologies available.
18:10:29 <rehrar> Each of these new proposals are about 20 XMR, huh?
18:11:09 <lh1008[m]> @re
18:11:12 <lh1008[m]> oups
18:11:21 <lh1008[m]> rehrar: let me chech them all
18:11:27 <lh1008[m]> check** sorry
18:13:18 <adam098[m]> staff91 ?
18:18:02 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> @chris-arv Thank God we didnt start translating yet.
18:18:17 <lh1008[m]> okay, first analysis for Serbian
18:19:45 <Chris-Arv[m]> Hello all. Greetings!
18:20:55 * lh1008[m] sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/QiFCrFtHJVTIBbXMUuzQBgao/message.txt >
18:23:05 <lh1008[m]> Hour rate: ~0.174982 XMR -> ~$22.34 USD
18:23:07 <rehrar>  staff91 lol. You guys need to read the rules of the system. It clearly says that not every proposal will be merged.
18:23:29 <rehrar> Er. Rephrase. Not every proposal is guaranteed to be merged.
18:23:53 <rehrar> And that people need to do marketing for their proposals to get the community on board.
18:23:54 <lh1008[m]> Yeah, we could at least analize them and see if they could fit
18:24:28 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> Yes I know. I have read them.
18:24:35 <rehrar> And personally, I'm a fan of seeing at least a little bit of volunteer work before a proposal. This proves competency, as well as a desire to improve the project overall.
18:25:20 <lh1008[m]> I would merge everything where the hourly rate is around $10 to $12 USD. That's my opinion but I can't tell whoever works in other country what to do. That rate is done by the work we have been doing in the Monero Outreach.
18:25:49 <lh1008[m]> Will do polish now
18:25:53 <rehrar> Even if that volunteer work is doing the smallest and easiest thing on the list, or similar. That can then be brought to the community and will show them that you are capable of doing the work, and that there is some investment.
18:26:31 <rehrar> How did you all find out about the CCS and Monero? I've never you seen you guys here before.
18:27:04 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> I know that of course. I have been around many crypto communuties.
18:27:08 <rehrar> Chris-Arv[m] staff91 adam098[m]
18:27:20 <rehrar> Ah. Cool.
18:28:51 <lh1008[m]> I haven't seen bladee for serbian, but I think erciccione could say if he has ever seen him around. I'm not that active with localization, that could be my fault
18:29:22 <lh1008[m]> Sorry for the proposer
18:29:34 <lh1008[m]> Sorry from my side, not that I feel sorry for the proposer
18:30:16 <rehrar> I will go ahead and make a few posts to gauge community sentiment and we'll move forward from there. Ok everyone?
18:30:39 <rehrar> Feel free to make posts of your own to the community to tell them why they should support your proposal and work.
18:31:11 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @rehrar Posts on the forum? (forum.monero.space)
18:31:48 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> @sgp
18:31:52 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> I have posted my proposal days ago.
18:31:53 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> https://forum.monero.space/d/31-translation-of-weblate-content-to-greek
18:32:10 <rehrar> Sure. That's one. That forum is new though and people are still migrating to it. Also go to the reddit.
18:32:16 <rehrar> reddit.com/r/monero
18:32:28 <rehrar> I'm sorry to send you there. I hate reddit. But it has more traffic atm.
18:32:37 <lh1008[m]> Okay, if the community needs an analysis for the proposals I could help there.
18:32:44 <rehrar> Sounds good lh1008[m]
18:32:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @rehrar Okay, thanks!
18:33:19 <rehrar> You're welcome.
18:33:22 <lh1008[m]> <rehrar "Sounds good lh1008"> okay, I'll have them today.
18:33:22 <rehrar> Anything else?
18:34:14 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> Great idea 💡😇
18:34:46 <xmrmatterbridge> <georgeggot> I'll post on Reddit as well.
18:38:03 <xmrmatterbridge> <darckme> @rehrar Should I post my proposal on Reddit as well?
18:38:49 <rehrar> Sure. Although maybe coordinate together to make one big post for the lot of you so it's not super spammy.
18:39:18 <rehrar> Don't know. Just an idea. If you don't like it, post separately, but people might be grumpy at so many threads. :P
18:39:56 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @lehrar Okay. I'll try to coordinate something.
18:40:21 <rehrar> Thank you!
18:40:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @lh1008 Tag me when you have the analysis ready.
18:40:59 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01>
18:41:00 <xmrmatterbridge> <oeadgk01> @staff91 @sgp
18:41:37 <rehrar> thanks for clearing that up for me everyone. I was eyeing the proposals with suspicion for a while there since they all seemed so similar. Looked to be the work of bots.
18:41:41 <rehrar> But hey, we all good now.
18:42:54 <lh1008[m]> <xmrmatterbridge "<oeadgk01> @lh1008 Tag me when y"> okay
18:43:13 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> A.I bots from Elon Musk
18:43:36 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> 😀
18:47:16 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> huy guys. I am almost finished with Dutch for website
18:48:03 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> I am waiting for Dutch to be added on Weblate.
18:48:10 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> For the subtitles that is.
18:49:47 <rehrar> rodrigoklx, please read the backlog of this channel for information regarding your proposals
18:51:02 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> I am checking it now.
18:54:57 <lh1008[m]> <rehrar "thanks for clearing that up for "> The proposal format from Serbian, Polish, Italian, German, Dutch, and Greek are very similar. It is weird if you want my honest opinion. Servian and Polish have the same rate per word. I'll check all of them.
18:55:12 <lh1008[m]> Serbian**
18:55:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> Okay, I think I read everything.
18:55:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx>
18:55:33 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> But I am asking for Dutch to get added on Weblate!
18:55:34 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx>
18:55:35 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> https://forum.monero.space/d/48-can-someone-add-the-dutch-language-for-the-subtitles-weblate
18:55:36 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx>
18:55:38 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> Please respond!
18:56:03 <rehrar> cool deal. Thanks rodrigoklx. sgp_ ^
18:57:15 <xmrmatterbridge> <rodrigoklx> @georgeggot How should a proposal be? I found the other proposals good, so I followed along.
18:58:25 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> @rehrar I copied the proposal of @oeadgk01 because it eas ready.
18:58:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <staff91> Was*
19:13:31 <sgp_> What's up
21:03:13 <sethsimmons> Quite a storm you all whipped up in r/ProtonMail -.-
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21:06:09 <lh1008[m]> <xmrmatterbridge "<oeadgk01> @lh1008 Tag me when y"> @oeadgk01 pinging you :)
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21:08:28 <needmoney90> Er
21:08:40 <needmoney90> Can you like. 0bin it or something.
21:08:52 <needmoney90> I'm not trying to click a dozen links to read a message split across all of them
21:08:57 <sethsimmons> RIP IRC
21:10:42 <lh1008[m]> Whatp s 0bin it?
21:11:17 <lh1008[m]> I can remove the links if necessary
21:29:05 <sethsimmons> He just means use pastebin or something similar instead of dumping text here -- large walls of text with formatting don't come across cleanly to IRC.
21:29:53 <lh1008[m]> I understand, I didn't think on that. Will do sethsimmons
21:31:58 <nioc> you can't remove from irc
21:31:58 <lh1008[m]> CCS - Localization Proposal Analysis
21:31:58 <lh1008[m]> https://pastebin.com/TQC0Ffhe
21:35:20 <lh1008[m]> If we add up and make an average per hour, the rate is ~0.164486 XMR -> ~$21,88 USD. For 200 words per hour ~0.0007XMR/word -> ~$0.10 USD/word
21:49:04 <rehrar> regarding protonmail, you guys do know it is literally fireice right?
21:50:27 <sech1> Yes. His style is unique.
21:51:18 <rehrar> Citing arguments like [1] and [2]
21:51:58 <rehrar> If you'll notice the account that posted it to, was very friendly to Monero. Stopped posting five months ago. Comes back now to say Monero is a broken coin.
21:51:58 <sech1> Not only that
21:54:35 <sech1> damn, I counted at least 3 fireice's sock puppets in that thread answering comments
21:56:51 <rehrar> yep. similar number.
21:57:09 <rehrar> uh oh. sech1 if you claim sock puppets he's going to Monero bullshit bingo you
21:57:13 <rehrar> and THEN what will you do?
21:57:29 <sech1> ignore him, as usual ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
21:57:40 <lh1008[m]> what's that about protonmail and fireice? Can anyone please share what's being discussed
21:57:47 <rehrar> no because you see you got bullshit bingo'd. You HAVE to take it seriously now!@
21:58:22 <sech1> I take it very seriously, I spent 5 minutes counting sock puppets. It's very serious, my time is very expensive!
22:11:28 <nioc> 5 minutes / 3 sock puppets =