01:58:05 <sgp_> Apple can fingerprint all users of Monero Mac apps, along with when they opened the apps https://sneak.berlin/20201112/your-computer-isnt-yours/
02:02:22 <sgp_> They can also try to associate Monero transfers with users based on when users open Monero-related apps
02:02:42 <donkeydonkey[m]> dude that sucks
02:07:26 <sgp_> Yeah it's messed up
03:41:58 <kinghat[m]> while you can get around it, the masses wont know about it or how to disable it.
03:57:40 <Mumuks[m]> <kinghat[m] "while you can get around it, the"> Is there a solution other than not using Apple products?
03:58:28 <kinghat[m]> hosts file or dns at router which is only good at your location.
04:00:24 <Mumuks[m]> <kinghat[m] "hosts file or dns at router whic"> I see, but even for an experienced user, that's a very inconvenient solution, as you want to use your phone or laptop around.
04:01:07 <kinghat[m]> if you read the article theres an app that they were using because its not new i guess. im sure there will be something else or that app will be updated.
04:02:00 <Mumuks[m]> Plus, it is a weak solution, as you are assuming you can know all Apple servers to block them, and that could not be the case, as Apple can easily update their server list and conceal them. It is an uphill battle that seems lost before starting.
04:02:19 <kinghat[m]> did you read the article?
04:02:25 <Mumuks[m]> No
04:02:31 <kinghat[m]> k
04:05:03 <Mumuks[m]> I read it now. They are talking about modifying the system, instead of blocking the servers. Seems a lost cause in a proprietary system too.
04:05:44 <Mumuks[m]> Apple will always have the upper hand in that game.
04:17:04 <oceanus[m]> what percentage of monero users are using crapple products?
04:19:31 <Mumuks[m]> <oceanus[m] "what percentage of monero users "> My bet is more than you imagine. For some reason a lot of geeks have a hard on for Apple. And Apple pretended to be for privacy in the past, so that made it easier to overlook using a proprietary system with a very walled garden.
04:27:32 <kinghat[m]> google handed over all the ppl who had crypto wallets installed on their phones to the IRS
05:04:57 <donkeydonkey[m]> i mean its nice to have an apple machine around for adobe  products and watching movies and might as well run some crypto but not if apple is recording it all and unencrypted and such...
05:09:22 <Mumuks[m]> <kinghat[m] "google handed over all the ppl w"> You can run Google-less Android
05:19:08 <oceanus[m]> Or pinephone/librem
06:14:41 <Mumuks[m]> <oceanus[m] "Or pinephone/librem"> How is the software available for these?
06:15:38 <jwinterm> pinephone ships with manjaro
06:15:45 <jwinterm> I think librem uses some custom distor
06:15:47 <jwinterm> distro
06:24:45 <oceanus[m]> Mumuks : https://wiki.pine64.org/index.php?title=PinePhone_Software_Releases
06:26:42 <oceanus[m]> I haven't tried any. Might order a pine
06:35:55 <Mumuks[m]> I was asking about the available apps, not so much about the OS itself. I can forgive a more rudimentary OS.
06:39:25 <jwinterm> you can run anything that runs on linux
06:43:19 <Mumuks[m]> I read that, but a GUI for desktop does not translate good for mobile, hence curious about the  experience
07:04:48 <oceanus[m]> Mumuks : https://linmobapps.frama.io
07:05:31 <oceanus[m]> Looking at yt videos the thing is sluggish and buggy. Not ready for use imo
07:08:18 <Mumuks[m]> Yeah, that's usually the issue with new OS. The OS is the "easy" part. They would benefit from some kind of Android emulation layer so you can run Android apps until the local ecosystem grows.
07:08:40 <Mumuks[m]> That would make me consider it
13:41:05 <vikrants> Are monero nodes acting crazy?
13:41:13 <vikrants> we can't get Cake and other wallets to sync
13:43:52 <Lyza> there are some malicious nodes on the network still but I haven't had any issues with my node so I'm not sure what effect they're having on the broader network right now. Are you connecting to random nodes or what? I think Cake defaults to using the Cakewallet dev team controlled nodes
13:44:58 <vikrants> yes have our nodes, but Moneroworld also acting crazy
13:45:07 <vikrants> (I'm from Cake btw)
13:45:24 <Lyza> ah gotcha. crazy how?
13:45:56 <vikrants> never finishes syncing.  We tried Moneroworld and seeing if same problem on GUI.. and it seems to be.
13:46:26 <Lyza> the wallets don't sync but the node reports that its status is okay?
13:46:52 <vikrants> always have blocks remaining but balance and transactions are correct
13:48:56 <vikrants> accidental fork?
13:49:56 <Lyza> well what's your block height
13:50:48 <Lyza> I'm on 2230394 same as xmrchain.net
14:34:35 <binaryFate> sgp_ sorry I'll be afk at meet time, have fun
16:46:54 <rehrar> We had a half meeting last week. If people want, we can have a half meeting this week and the two will equal a full meeting. :D
17:17:55 <sgp_> Meet starts in 45. I pushed back for this channel