06:50:08 <dixie__flatline[> Oh shit youtube-dl repo on github got dmca'd
06:50:23 <dixie__flatline[> Bitcoin repo next /s
06:50:34 <dixie__flatline[> Mass exodus from github wen
09:22:45 <ErCiccione> I try again: Will this forum be hosted/maintained/administrated by the board of the LLC that was announced not long ago?
11:07:26 <midipoet> ErCiccione: I don't think so. This forum was announced as being operated by Core, and run/moderated by rehrar
11:07:30 <midipoet> That was my understanding
11:09:52 <ErCiccione> I don't know, i remember a mention of a forum when rehrar was still part of the LLC thing. So i don't know where things stand now
11:10:25 <midipoet> I don't think anyone knows except for the people involved in the LLC stuff
11:12:11 <midipoet> I think the forum was talk of some other place, similar to Reddit, but self hosted
11:13:02 <midipoet> Which was one of the main reasons for the LLC, as the LLC would maintain liability for the forum (and it's Directors and Shareholders tto some extent, one would think)
11:21:37 <msvb-mob> Reminder that the Monero Village (appearing at the Grayhat security conference 29-31 Oct 2020) has our last public staff meeting today at 17:00 UTC on this IRC channel (#monero-community.)
11:21:47 <ErCiccione> the LLC would maintain liability for the forum <- That's the main reason why i'm asking
14:27:34 <rehrar> ErCiccione: by monero space, yes. Not me. Not core.
14:30:30 <ErCiccione> Ok. Thanks for clarifying.
14:31:01 <ErCiccione> midipoet ^
14:55:48 <midipoet> ErCiccione: ah yes, I see what happened. I thought when you said "this forum", you meant here. Instead of "that forum", which means there ;-)
14:56:09 <midipoet> definitely feels forky
15:14:19 <ErCiccione> You are right, i was unclear
16:05:10 <msvb-mob> The last Monero Village staff meeting before Grayhat begins in about one hour (17:00 UTC) on this channel #monero-community.
16:15:03 <dixie__flatline[> https://twitter.com/likewh0a/status/1320011549566816258?s=19
16:15:12 <dixie__flatline[> Monero flag spotted
16:16:22 <asymptotically> what a bunch of morons. there was an anti-mask protest in my city too and they looked even dumber
16:17:06 <dixie__flatline[> Boo
16:17:11 <dixie__flatline[> Masks are dumb
16:17:43 <asymptotically> yes, not being selfish and not wanting to spread a virus to people is dumb
16:18:30 <dixie__flatline[> Lol
16:18:48 <dixie__flatline[> Masks can't stop the spread of such a virus.
16:18:59 <dixie__flatline[> You have your eyes exposed, you have your skin exposed
16:19:33 <dixie__flatline[> Masks are only good for preventing cough plus sneeze reaxhing other people
16:19:54 <dixie__flatline[> But we always coughed and sneezed before, and we used our inner elbows for that and not a maks
16:20:32 <asymptotically> even if it only helps a little bit, it's not like it hurts you in anyway to just put one on
16:20:43 <dixie__flatline[> Masks are way too weak of a prevention, and they are enforced way too forcefully.
16:20:50 <dixie__flatline[> It hurts me bro
16:21:02 <dixie__flatline[> I don't want to breathe in what I have breathed out
16:21:10 <dixie__flatline[> It decreases my fresh air intake
16:21:18 <dixie__flatline[> It also makes me sweat in it
16:21:28 <dixie__flatline[> It is also a literal microbe magnet
16:21:36 <dixie__flatline[> Touching it all day
16:21:43 <dixie__flatline[> And then touching your phone
16:21:45 <dixie__flatline[> Etc.
16:22:27 * dixie__flatline[ sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/yxeLcHsFYOnXTYQjLTykXiHg/message.txt >
16:22:35 <dixie__flatline[> Don't decide on what I can do and can't do
16:23:22 <wowario[m]> it is more for minimizing the spread of droplets than protecting "you"
16:23:37 <wowario[m]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNeYfUTA11s
16:23:37 <monerobux> [ High speed camera captures how different types of face masks work - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
16:24:05 <dixie__flatline[> The droplets spread anyways. We are more than 6 months into that virus. And we know that the mortality rate isn't as we feared in the beginning
16:24:28 <dixie__flatline[> The low mortality rate of this virus doesn't justify such draconian laws on masks and closing up of the economies.
16:25:14 <wowario[m]> wearing a mask is not that draconian
16:25:41 <dixie__flatline[> The whole state plus social enforcement around mask requirements are.
16:25:52 <dixie__flatline[> I don't want to be forced to wear a mask all day.
16:25:54 <dixie__flatline[> It is dumb.
16:26:08 <wowario[m]> i am actually happy it is more culturally acceptable to hide ones face in public
16:26:17 <dixie__flatline[> It is dumb that you have to wear a mask while ordering at a restaurant but you don't have to wear while eating.
16:26:28 <dixie__flatline[> It is inconsistent
16:26:32 <dixie__flatline[> And not rational
16:27:59 <dixie__flatline[> So it is obvious that the mask laws are not following reason and rationality. So what they are? Yet another angle in stifling personal freedoms. Yet another angle in the society dictating and micromanaging your life. Yet another angle in the state taking on more power over you.
16:28:10 <dixie__flatline[> Wake up people. It's not the damn plague.
16:32:55 <wowario[m]> countries that have a national mask policy/mask wearing culture tend to have lower spread and case count. Look at the statistics per million. and there is a general consensus in the science community that it does help.
16:33:28 <asymptotically> wowario[m]: my autistic feelings do not care about your facts!
16:33:54 <wowario[m]> on the personal freedoms point, freedom is not unlimited when you live in a society.
16:34:42 <wowario[m]> there are moral and legal norms that one should (or must) follow to be part of the social group.
16:35:47 <ErCiccione> Nonsense. If you are a free person you do whatever you want. Doesn't matter how many people die because you refuse to put a piece of cloth on your face. Wake up sheeple!!
16:35:56 * ErCiccione doesn't want to live on this planet anymore
16:36:17 <wowario[m]> lol
16:36:36 <wowario[m]> nihilist!!!
16:37:18 <tficharmers> If covid-19 were to go away would pro-maskers continue to wear them to prevent the spreading of influenza?
16:38:31 <wowario[m]> i would continue to wear masks with or without covid-19 around
16:38:40 <wowario[m]> i like my privacy
16:39:31 <tficharmers> Oh. Did you wear one before covid-19?
16:42:57 <wowario[m]> yeah, at hacker conferences though
16:45:34 <dixie__flatline[> <wowario[m] "countries that have a national m"> Sweden bro
16:46:07 <dixie__flatline[> The mortality rate is so small. Most infected people are asymptomatic
16:46:14 <tficharmers> wowario[m] Right, well masks to protect privacy is a different proposition to spreading respiratory diseases. You probably should be free to cover your face whenever you want in public. It's your face.
16:46:31 <wowario[m]> bro, compare Sweden to other Scandinavian countries
16:46:32 <dixie__flatline[> Only elderly and people who have underlying health problems are under risk
16:46:36 <dixie__flatline[> But they are under risk anyways
16:46:53 <dixie__flatline[> <wowario[m] "bro, compare Sweden to other Sca"> I know. But still Sweden didn't have apocalypse bro
16:47:16 <dixie__flatline[> <tficharmers "If covid-19 were to go away woul"> THIS
16:47:18 <wowario[m]> the economy got more jacked up than it should have been
16:47:33 <dixie__flatline[> <wowario[m] "i like my privacy"> That's not the point bro
16:47:39 <dixie__flatline[> Medical mask mandate is the point
16:47:53 <dixie__flatline[> You can have your privacy by willingly wearing your scarf
16:48:11 <dixie__flatline[> The point is, I don't want the society and the gubbermint to dictate a medical mask
16:48:18 <wowario[m]> Only elderly and people who have underlying health problems are under risk > who gets them sick?
16:48:21 <dixie__flatline[> That is not a societal norm btw
16:48:27 <ErCiccione> Please. you are way offtopic
16:48:28 <dixie__flatline[> You go out in the country sjde
16:48:32 <dixie__flatline[> Literally nobody wears mask
16:48:38 <dixie__flatline[> <ErCiccione "Please. you are way offtopic"> Ok
16:49:19 <msvb-mob> The last Monero Village meeting before Grayhat (security conference) begins in about ten minutes on this channel #monero-community.
16:49:46 <dixie__flatline[> <tficharmers "wowario Right, well masks to pro"> +1
16:50:15 <tficharmers> But seriously, the arguments put forward for masks preventing the infection spread of covid-19 should also apply to other respiratory infections, so really "if it saves one life" then pro-maskers should continue to wear masks to prevent the spread of influenza after covid-19 dies down a bit. If not, then that's a bit hypocritical. Also, probably should drive a car too... if it saves one life of course.
16:51:02 <wowario[m]> #offtopic
16:51:10 <dixie__flatline[> Lol ok
16:51:11 <tficharmers> agreed
16:55:45 <msvb-mob> The last Monero Village meeting before Grayhat (security conference) begins in five minutes on #monero-community.
17:01:22 <msvb-mob> Hello to Monero Village staff and public bystanders, welcome to the last (5 of 5) Monero Village meeting before the Grayhat security conference begins.
17:01:30 <rehrar> Hi
17:01:32 <ArticMine> Hi
17:01:36 <msvb-mob> 1. Introductions.
17:02:24 <msvb-mob> 2. Grayhat review (all)
17:02:48 <ajs-mob1> hi
17:02:56 <msvb-mob> The conference begins 29 October and ends 31 October, is on the Grayhat discord server and follows the sched.io system.
17:03:26 <msvb-mob> The conference requires registration for some content, and costs money unless you are a speaker or village staff (free entrance.)
17:03:35 <msvb-mob> Any other general information for review?
17:03:36 <azy> deaths are not the only concern either. busy hospitals are bad for everyone
17:03:50 <rehrar> enough covid talk or kick
17:04:34 <intj440> hello
17:04:42 <msvb-mob> The agenda is at https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/meet-5/
17:04:56 <msvb-mob> 3. Secretary (msvb)
17:05:02 <msvb-mob> 3a Administration news.
17:05:20 <msvb-mob> I mostly copied the latest news to https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/notepad/
17:05:35 <msvb-mob> ...may be good to read that. There is no urgency or surprises.
17:06:10 <msvb-mob> 3b Discord staff ID harvest.
17:06:33 <msvb-mob> Whoever is a speaker or staff should give me their Discord ID (on the Grayhat server) if you want special village permissions.
17:06:55 <rehrar> remind me how to get the ID
17:07:00 <msvb-mob> I can get the information by meeting you online in our Monero Village Discord channel (of the Grayhat server) but I never see people in our channel.
17:07:24 <msvb-mob> rehrar: Right click on the face of a person (avatar) and if you have set developer mode in your Discord client you have the choice of reading the ID.
17:08:34 <msvb-mob> It is probably not a requirement (because they have not made comments about the ID) but the Defcon admins did make it a requirement. We are okay without IDs this time (unless it bothers you to not have extended permissions.)
17:09:06 <msvb-mob> Related to this, if anybody who is a speaker or staff did not receive their registration code to avoid paying money for the general access, please ask me and I'll give it to you again.
17:09:17 <msvb-mob> I sent the codes out yesterday, but some people maybe were not online.
17:09:37 <msvb-mob> Any questions before the next agenda topic (CFP)?
17:09:44 <rehrar> nope
17:09:57 <msvb-mob> 4. CFP (xmrscott[m])
17:10:09 <rehrar> I'd like to take control of this topic if I may
17:10:27 <msvb-mob> Probably you can, xmrscott does not object does he?
17:11:15 <rehrar> seems not
17:11:26 <rehrar> give me one min and I'll speak. Sorry. :)
17:11:38 <msvb-mob> Okay, we have time I think. No hurry.
17:12:37 <xmrscott[m]> (I do not, sorry)
17:12:38 <rehrar> ok
17:12:49 <rehrar> so I've been contacting many people asking them if they'd be willing to speak.
17:13:07 <rehrar> I'm collecting their responses, and, if they choose to record, I will collect their videos and pass them on to Grayhat.
17:13:20 <rehrar> I realize this puts a delay on the schedule that I wanted up ASAP, but I think the extra content is worth it.
17:13:53 <rehrar> Of the dozen people I've contacted, three have confirmed, a few others will get back to me today or tomorrow, and haven't heard back from two.
17:14:13 <rehrar> The extra content will be helpful. Since we don't have another meeting, I will take charge of finalizing the schedule and giving it to the Grayhat people.
17:14:38 <rehrar> As I alluded to last week, I did indeed talk with two of the organizers on Discord a few days ago. They are aware I'm working on the schedule and that I will get it to them soon.
17:14:52 <msvb-mob> Thanks for the extra work, that's a big bonus to get at least three more presentations.
17:15:07 <msvb-mob> After all, we are in 'anything is better than nothing' mode.
17:15:15 <rehrar> while I'm talking I'll speak about the website as well. As stated last time, it's been changed for Grayhat and just awaiting the schedule. Nothing new to add on that front.
17:15:27 <rehrar> msvb-mob: it helps that we are the only blockchain related village
17:15:40 <rehrar> so I can be a little bit more general in my invitations to cover a few broader blockchain topics.
17:15:56 <msvb-mob> Your comment last week rehrar about leveraging the blockchain absence is quite valuable.
17:16:42 <msvb-mob> 5. Website (rehrar)
17:16:54 <rehrar> already spoke on it. ;)
17:16:55 <msvb-mob> 6. Operations (ajs)
17:17:05 <ajs-mob1> no updates
17:17:18 <msvb-mob> 7. ArticMine
17:17:27 <msvb-mob> Any comments from you (if you are attending?)
17:18:04 <ArticMine> Yes. Do we want to have some community promotion. Reddit posts etc
17:18:14 <ArticMine> Let the communit know this is going on
17:18:32 <ArticMine> once we have an agenda finalized
17:19:13 <rehrar> I think we can tease that we'll be there to the community
17:19:16 <rehrar> and that the agenda is coming soon
17:19:21 <rehrar> and when the agenda is ready we share that too
17:20:01 <msvb-mob> What would be a list of promotion channels, flarum(forum), IRC, reddit, twitter?
17:20:18 <msvb-mob> Maybe needmoney90 wants to help promote on these antisocial media channels?
17:20:33 <rehrar> I'll do it.
17:20:38 <rehrar> I'll get them done today.
17:22:18 <msvb-mob> Okay 8. Communications (unassigned role) ...is actually all about promoting and providing communications like what we already are discussing.
17:22:45 <msvb-mob> Does intj440 have advice about promotion or communicating a basic idea about Monero during Grayhat?
17:23:41 <rehrar> If so, you feel free to message me. :)
17:23:52 <msvb-mob> An idea about promotion, when you access the Grayhat discord server, ensure that you have [MV] next to your name meaning you are staff and represent our village (rather than IoT or Blueteam.)
17:24:31 <rehrar> oh yes I'll put that back on
17:24:48 <intj440> A "save the dates" general announce might be good since most ppl are unaware of Grayhat's or MV Greyhat's existence
17:25:41 <msvb-mob> 9. Music (all)
17:25:43 <msvb-mob> This is a topic I really cared about which has totally crashed, oh well.
17:25:43 <intj440> will pm rehrar re: how/when I'll contribute
17:26:00 <msvb-mob> Any comments about artwork, music, or other creativity before moving to 10 Subprojects?
17:26:32 <rehrar> ne
17:26:55 <msvb-mob> 10. Subprojects
17:27:10 <msvb-mob> This is mostly following content such as what's proposed on https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/us/2/
17:27:18 <msvb-mob> ...to prove that we are active and innovate.
17:27:33 <msvb-mob> But I think nobody is able to demonstrate a project they are working on, or?
17:27:49 <rehrar> correct
17:28:52 <msvb-mob> We are mostly done with the preplanned agenda topics. I guess...
17:28:54 <msvb-mob> 11. Open ideas time
17:29:19 <msvb-mob> Do you have anything interesting to share ajs-mob1?
17:29:38 <ajs-mob1> not at this time
17:30:00 <msvb-mob> anhdres[m] Do you want to help ArticMine with his promotion to antisocial media idea with anything creative?
17:30:21 <rehrar> I was doing the promotion
17:30:33 <rehrar> and I'm an illustrator so things will be ok ;)
17:30:55 <rehrar> and I'll get anhdres[m] if I need help
17:31:37 <intj440> thx msvb-mob for your efforts
17:31:46 <msvb-mob> Very good, it will be very excellent if rehrar is making the promotion (art whatever) but wouldn't it be more fun with others involvement? Your choice in any case.
17:31:56 <rehrar> we don't have the time anymore msvb-mob
17:32:06 <rehrar> yes it would be more fun with other people involved, but the conference is in one week
17:32:16 <rehrar> and when we're short on time it's probably better that it just gets done
17:32:25 <ArticMine> Yes I agree
17:32:37 <intj440> at registration the level 2 "GA Expert Level" pass is sold out, anyone know if the GH folks will allocate more of this ticket type?
17:33:11 <msvb-mob> I thought there was just GA and VIP?
17:33:41 <intj440> well, here they list levels 0, 1, and 2 type tickets https://grayhat.co/registration/
17:33:56 <intj440> *level
17:34:34 <msvb-mob> Quite strange, because it's a online conference. Why would something sell out?
17:35:19 <msvb-mob> I'll ask the ones who invited us about it, do you int440 want me to report to you if they answer the question 'why is level 2 sold out?'
17:35:38 <intj440> sure, thx.
17:36:00 <intj440> maybe they are anticipating disappointment with the 15-minute "meet the expert" timeslots that seem to be promised with a level 2 ticket
17:37:41 <msvb-mob> Could be that or a cap on the workshop class size intj440. In any case, I've asked the admins so if it's a mistake they will probably correct the problem soon.
17:37:41 <intj440> oh also it seems that physical swag goes with level 2 "An event memorialized Patch and stickers"  https://www.eventbrite.com/e/grayhat-conference-frmly-texas-cyber-summit-tickets-117352322957
17:37:56 <viperperidot[m]> What is monero village?
17:38:12 <msvb-mob> A Monero Devices badge is part of the swag package as well, maybe that's why these sell out?
17:38:19 <msvb-mob> That was a half joke, but who knows.
17:39:30 <msvb-mob> viperperidot[m] The village is where people with enough experience (min 2 months IRC) represent the Monero community.
17:39:31 <msvb-mob> http://www.monerovillage.org/
17:39:45 <msvb-mob> And our next appearance is at the Grayhat security conference in one week (online.)
17:40:07 <viperperidot[m]> Cool I will check it out thanks
17:41:23 <msvb-mob> Does binaryFate or needmoney90 have any village ideas?
17:43:49 <msvb-mob> Or midipoet or sgp_ with village ideas?
17:45:25 <rehrar> alright, I have to leave. I'll read backlog. :)
17:45:30 <intj440> msvb-mob just registered w/level 1 so no need to get back to me re: level 2 tickets
17:48:55 <msvb-mob> Okay intj440. That doesn't help satisfy our curiosity, but it seems to not be a problem.
17:49:31 <ErCiccione> Shouldn't we have a community meeting today?
17:49:33 <ErCiccione> rehrar ^
17:49:54 <rehrar> yes, grabbing some breakfast before so I won't be too hungry
17:50:19 <msvb-mob> Then we can finish the last (5 of 5) Monero Village meeting early.
17:50:46 <msvb-mob> If you know a staff person who is unsure what they should be doing, I made a step by step guide:
17:50:48 <msvb-mob> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/staff-todo/
17:51:09 <msvb-mob> Shall we end the meeting now? Is there a second vote for this ajs-mob1?
17:51:22 <ajs-mob1> okay
17:51:52 <msvb-mob> Thanks everyone for attending the meeting, and we'll see you later allighator during the Grayhat security conference on 29 October.
17:52:02 <ajs-mob1> thanks msvb-mob
17:54:46 <binaryFate> sorry missed meeting, little time atm
17:55:30 <msvb-mob> Little time, working hard or hardly working? I had vacation days, and I recommend it to you binaryFate.
17:56:13 <binaryFate> I wish I could take days off. That's my middle-term target.
17:57:24 <msvb-mob> binaryFate: Lot's of luck with that, we are all very curious to know of your progress on whatever project you're working on. But some of it is already obvious (like the email you sent out regarding the block height bug.) Thanks for doing that work.
17:57:26 <midipoet> msvb-mob: thanks for the offer and invite, but I am sort of done with online conferences/events, and never really got that enthused anyways, tbh. Sorry. Will be more involved when things can get physical with everyone again ;-)
17:58:44 <msvb-mob> That's definitely a valid interpretation midipoet, and if things improve (I'm a pessimist about this) then of course it will be great to see you again.
18:02:19 <rehrar> helloooooo everyone!
18:02:34 <rehrar> 1. Say Hi
18:02:39 <rehrar> Who all is here for the community meeting?
18:03:17 <msvb-mob> Hello.
18:04:12 <ErCiccione> hi
18:04:24 <intj440> hello
18:05:48 <rehrar> ok. small crowd today but that's ok.
18:05:50 <rehrar> we'll just be quick
18:05:57 <rehrar> let's start with workgroup reports today
18:06:15 <rehrar> anyone who is in a leadership position in a workgroup, please feel free to chime in whenever with an update
18:06:30 <rehrar> lh1008[m] xmrhaelan, dEBRUYNE
18:08:21 <ArticMine> Hi
18:08:45 <viperperidot[m]> Hello
18:08:48 <rehrar> ErCiccione: I know you're here so you can update us if you want.
18:08:59 <rehrar> Pinging some others via pm.
18:09:53 <ErCiccione> Not much to report really. I posted an update about the website on reddit, but the bigger stuff was merged after i posted it :)
18:10:07 <ErCiccione> translations are open for everything (GUI and Website had been locked for some time)
18:10:55 <rehrar> Aight. Sounds good. I'll give another couple minutes for any other reports.
18:11:01 <rehrar> It seems this will be a short meeting. :)
18:14:31 <rehrar> Ok so.
18:14:38 <rehrar> Moving on to CCS.
18:15:29 <rehrar> there is no new proposals besides ones already discussed
18:15:36 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/138
18:15:41 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/156
18:15:49 <rehrar> compilation time reduction
18:15:52 <rehrar> and bp+
18:16:33 <msvb-mob> Flarum forum status? Is it sgp that has this information?
18:16:56 <rehrar> it's being worked on. They just had an update a couple of days ago (when we deployed actually)
18:17:04 <rehrar> and so some of the useful extensions are still updating
18:17:08 <rehrar> to the new version
18:17:17 <rehrar> it will probably be a week or two before we go beyond soft launch
18:20:13 <rehrar> erm, open ideas time then? :D
18:21:42 <rehrar> lol ok
18:21:51 <rehrar> anything to discuss by anyone at all?
18:24:15 <rehrar> then I guess we'll call it here
18:24:22 <rehrar> thanks for coming everyone
18:24:29 <rehrar> hopefully two weeks from now we'll have cool things to discuss
18:24:36 <msvb-mob> Thanks rehrar, chao.
18:24:42 <rehrar> but a lull in activity is typical after a release
18:25:39 <nioc> rehrar: there is a CCS currently open for funding https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vtnerd-2020-q4.html
18:25:59 <rehrar> yes but ones that are already open don't really need to be discussed by us
18:26:14 <nioc> just illuminated
18:26:34 <TheCharlatan> Would be nice to pump vtnerd's proposal on reddit a bit, if anybody feels like making a post.
18:26:46 <sethsimmons> I can do that!
18:32:55 <sethsimmons> https://reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/jhdy9a/lets_get_vtnerds_proposal_funded/
18:32:56 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Let’s get vtnerd’s proposal funded! (https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vtnerd-2020-q4.html) to r/Monero | 1 points (100.0%) | 1 comments | Posted by fort3hlulz | Created at 2020-10-24 - 18:29:22
20:07:07 <anhdres[m]> <rehrar "and when we're short on time it'"> Sorry I missed the meeting msvb-mob but rehrar is right. Ping me if course if anything is needed anyways.
20:41:12 <nioc> sethsimmons: wat u do?  it's fully funded  https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/vtnerd-2020-q4.html
20:41:27 <sethsimmons> I summoned the whales
20:41:47 <sethsimmons> I’m quite fluent in whale
21:56:36 <Inge-> You and Dory