02:35:11 <monerointhenude4> I interpret the rules of this homeserver to be more aligned to my interests
02:38:06 <monerointhenude4> Though I don't know if those rules align enough that my aspiring Monero passion project will be able to fit in and survive
02:39:17 <monerointhenude4> I am at the mercy of both the Matrix homeserver, and underlying Matrix room
04:09:34 <viperperidot[m]> Is node.xmr.to trusted?
04:37:10 <jwinterm> xmr.to pretty trusted
08:02:13 <Lovera[m]> <viperperidot[m] "Is node.xmr.to trusted?"> Trusted, but better is your own node 😎
13:30:10 <copenhagen_bram[> If atomic swaps between Monero and Bitcoin are possible, will xmr.to do atomic swaps eventually?
14:02:37 <binaryFate> copenhagen_bram[: Why would it?
14:20:00 <midipoet> minus the middle men
14:27:58 <copenhagen_bram[> yeah
14:28:15 <copenhagen_bram[> xmr.to is already a very trusted exchange but with atomic swaps trust is no longer needed
14:29:01 <binaryFate> trust in xmrto running away does not seem to deter most users. Trust in xmrto not serving you utterly dirty BTC would still be there.
14:29:35 <binaryFate> Convenience, efficiency and speed would go away, which is what centralized services are good for
14:30:06 <binaryFate> I hope there will be interesting market dynamics and services around atomic swaps. But personally don't see the benefit at all for something like xmrto.
14:30:09 <copenhagen_bram[> ah
14:32:20 <binaryFate> just remember you need transactions on each chain to take place in a certain order. Especially on Bitcoin side that involves long waiting time + fees; plus risk your counterparty decides not to follow after all because the price changed or whatever.
14:33:05 <binaryFate> I don't think this will be relevant for day-to-day usage where you deal with not too gigantic amounts and you value speed and convenience
14:33:41 <copenhagen_bram[> ah
14:34:12 <copenhagen_bram[> maybe atomic swap could be useful for exchanging large amounts of monero for btw
16:00:54 <rotten> Minko happy hour kicking off in just one hour over at minko.to. Play and grow your Monero knowledge; trivia prizes will be very generous between 17:00 and 19:00 UTC.
16:26:25 <sgp_> damn I forgot to travel outside of the US for this ;)
16:41:03 <sgp_> side note: I have filled my 1TB drive entirely with archives of the different Monero blockchain versions
16:46:08 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] vtnerd opened pull request #177: Lee Clagett (vtnerd) Full-Time Development 2020 Q4
16:46:08 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/177
16:47:51 <ErCiccione[H]> ^ nice!
17:23:10 <nioc> I do not see any description for vtnerd's proposal https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/177
17:25:31 <ErCiccione> nioc: you have to look at the actual file that is being PRd
17:28:15 <nioc> ok, it's usually there when you select it from "ideas"
17:28:20 <dEBRUYNE> nioc: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/blob/2bb8a81d0448f8bbd87a2dc6958acafa87f72e5c/vtnerd-2020-q4.md
17:29:10 <nioc> yeah but it's not on the page you thumbs up/down or comment
17:34:38 <nioc> 4eva newb
17:35:10 <dEBRUYNE> You should be able to do it here? https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/177
17:35:12 <dEBRUYNE> Scroll down a bit
17:38:37 <nioc> there is nowhere to scroll to as there are no details there, how to comment on no details?
17:38:39 <nioc> I think this has happened before and it shows up later
17:50:27 <sgp_> binaryFate: getmonero.org windows 64 gui zip download link is still 0.17.0
17:50:57 <binaryFate> sgp_ can you try from incognito/anonymous window? Most likely browser caching issue
17:51:23 <sgp_> yup that was it ty
17:52:33 <binaryFate> these overly greedy caching are annoying, don't know how to avoid them without changing link
18:39:23 <midipoet> rotten: define "very" - cause that seems a gambling ad to me