06:16:46 <fluffypony> https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/515
06:16:58 <fluffypony> I'm not even wading into that one
06:23:08 <lza_menace> no need - enjoy your friday evening instead
10:38:13 <dixie__flatline[> Hi. Anybody knows if Fluffy's talk on HCPP will be available for viewing for free?
13:04:36 <sethsimmons> dixie__flatline: they mentioned that they were being recorded, but I never saw a link to where they would be put.
13:04:36 <sethsimmons> I’ll try to track one down and share widely.
15:30:43 <msvb-lab> Monero Village (at Grayhat) meeting on #monero-community in one and a half hours.
16:34:12 <msvb-lab> Monero Village (at Grayhat) meeting on #monero-community in about a half hour.
16:47:53 <xmrscott[m]> Closed aforementioned issue :)
16:57:28 <dixie__flatline[> <msvb-lab "Monero Village (at Grayhat) meet"> What is Grayhat?
16:58:15 <msvb-lab> dixie__flatline[: Grayhat is a security conference where a dozen villages are invited to present. We are one of them.
16:58:18 <xmrscott[m]> dixie__flatline: Hacker type conference. Think DEF CON, but smaller
16:58:39 <msvb-lab> People from this channel have the opportunity to represent Monero technology at Grayhat because of the invitation.
16:59:16 <dixie__flatline[> Thanks for the replies. So there is currently some security conference going on?
16:59:37 <msvb-lab> It is 29-31 October 2020.
17:00:12 <dixie__flatline[> I see.
17:01:02 <msvb-lab> Hello everyone, welcome to the third (of four) meetings.
17:01:11 <msvb-lab> Monero Village at Grayhat (security conference).
17:01:22 <msvb-lab> The agenda is https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/meet-3/
17:01:38 <msvb-lab> 1. Introduction
17:03:06 <xmrscott[m]> Osu
17:03:33 <ajs-mob> hi
17:04:25 <anhdres[m]> hello
17:04:43 <msvb-lab> 2. Grayhat review (all)
17:05:01 * needmoney90 observes
17:05:08 <msvb-lab> The official conference website is online since Wednesday.
17:05:09 <msvb-lab> https://grayhat.co/
17:05:27 <msvb-lab> We and all the other villages have our areas assigned, and they are mostly error free.
17:06:46 <msvb-lab> There is lots of room for improvement on the website, I'm not sure how interested we are in trying for details during this meeting.
17:08:23 <msvb-lab> Any questions about the current state of village affairs at Grayhat, or does anyone have more information about this?
17:08:57 <msvb-lab> 3. Secretary (msvb)
17:09:19 <msvb-lab> Staff roles and benefits are documented in project management as usual.
17:09:21 <msvb-lab> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/us/1/
17:09:29 <anhdres[m]> <msvb-lab "Any questions about the current "> I've only skimmed through the website but what are we presenting? Are they going to be talks?
17:10:22 <msvb-lab> There are two talks documented, one by Dave Jevans and the other by me.
17:10:24 <msvb-lab> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/us/3/
17:10:45 <msvb-lab> Another five people approximately, have pledge to deliver presentations as well. But they are not recorded yet.
17:11:17 <msvb-lab> Most of the roles are missing.
17:11:31 <msvb-lab> That's all I have to report. Questions about roles, staff, or benefits?
17:11:53 <msvb-lab> 4. CFP (xmrscott)
17:12:02 <xmrscott[m]> Nothing new
17:12:19 <msvb-lab> xmrscott: Do you want me to remove your name from CFP in the next (last) meeting, or is it okay like the agenda states?
17:12:35 <anhdres[m]> <msvb-lab "https://taiga.getmonero.org/proj"> thanks
17:12:52 <xmrscott[m]> Should probably remove; don't expect people to suddenly apply for talks at the last moment
17:13:06 <msvb-lab> Okay xmrscott. I'll edit the next agenda.
17:14:04 <msvb-lab> Are you looking for https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/
17:14:23 <msvb-lab> anhdres[m]: That's the place to find information or to add your own participation.
17:14:35 <msvb-lab> 5. Website (rehrar)
17:14:39 <msvb-lab> I'm not sure rehrar is here.
17:15:28 <msvb-lab> In the last email (notes at https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/meet-2/) rehrar wrote about updating the website in some ways.
17:15:37 <msvb-lab> He can describe the work if he comes in later on...
17:15:57 <msvb-lab> 6. Operations (ajs-mob)
17:16:21 <msvb-lab> This was not nice to put ajs's name on the agenda without asking. If you don't have ideas about operations, we can go to #7.
17:16:35 <ajs-mob> what is the current a/v setup? i see there is a link to twitch in the village profile on the site.
17:17:09 <msvb-lab> I have news about this.
17:17:17 <msvb-lab> Most villages are prerecording their speeches.
17:17:36 <msvb-lab> And Grayhat has offered to process our video and audio for us if we send it to them.
17:17:53 <msvb-lab> So they will apply Grayhat overlays and adjust audio if we want them to do so.
17:18:25 <msvb-lab> I think we have all the freedom to develop and maintain our own content systems if we want (rather than sending Grayhat the content.)
17:18:25 <ajs-mob> oh, okay. that makes things easier.
17:19:13 <msvb-lab> If we want them to produce our content in the way they invited, they want it before 14 October.
17:19:23 <msvb-lab> Wait, let me see maybe it was 17 October...
17:20:13 <ajs-mob> any case, i am here to help if we need to broadcast stuff
17:20:41 <msvb-lab> 17 October is their suggestion.
17:21:15 <ajs-mob> okay, we can move to #7
17:21:15 <msvb-lab> ajs-mob: To simplify things, should we ask each speaker to record their presentation by themselves and make the file available?
17:21:57 <msvb-lab> So if I record using OBS (not sure what format it outputs) do you know where I could upload the content?
17:22:07 <ajs-mob> yes, if they are able to do it
17:23:22 <msvb-lab> ajs-mob: Can you recommend what format, resolution, bps, and things like that to record with when using OBS?
17:24:01 <ajs-mob> yes, I make a note about it in taiga.
17:24:24 <ajs-mob> for uploading, we could use google drive.
17:24:46 <msvb-lab> That would be very nice, thanks. If you can't find the right place in Taiga, just make a best guess and put the task there.
17:25:36 <ajs-mob> okay
17:25:37 <msvb-lab> xmrscott[m] ajs-mob: Do either of you have a google drive URL already for this, how do we tell each speaker what it is without publishing the URL?
17:27:04 <ajs-mob> sgp_: is nextcloud still available?
17:27:58 <msvb-lab> Nextcloud would be a great idea, rehrar has a good physical server.
17:28:20 <msvb-lab> Or we just set up a cloud account, I'm not sure about capacity. Some videos will be quite large?
17:29:10 <anhdres[m]> .edu google drives shared volumes are limitless (just in case)
17:29:24 <rehrar> oops sorry forgot this was a thing
17:29:54 <rehrar> fyi, after today I will probably be taking a couple of days off. Past couple of days were brutal.
17:30:15 <msvb-lab> rehrar: We are trying to decide where to upload the gigabytes of presentations from speakers.
17:30:32 <msvb-lab> Do you have an opinion? Seems we have Google or Nextcloud in sight.
17:30:33 <rehrar> Monero Community YouTube channel
17:30:52 <rehrar> we don't have to host it anywhere, and it's easily accessible?
17:30:57 <msvb-lab> It's raw video that we send to Grayhat for processing, and then they control the release.
17:31:01 <rehrar> Most FOSS thing ever? No. But we don't have the infrastructure.
17:31:03 <rehrar> hmmm...
17:31:09 <rehrar> Still YouTube, but unlisted.
17:31:21 <msvb-lab> Grayhat applies a branded overlay and things like that I think.
17:31:34 <rehrar> Yes, they can download the video from YouTube.
17:31:50 <rehrar> We put the raw footage as an unlisted video (only people with the link can view)
17:32:01 <rehrar> we give Grayhat the link, and they can view and download and apply what they want and post it.
17:32:25 <msvb-lab> So what would be the URL for a person like me without a Youtube account be, is it as easy as Nextcloud?
17:32:37 <rehrar> spinning up our own infrastructure would be possible, but somewhat expensive depending on the amount of GB we have
17:32:57 <rehrar> You don't need a YouTube account to have access to an unlisted video.
17:33:07 <sgp_> I have an existing NextCloud with limited capacity. Was waiting on serhack to migrate to a better server
17:33:08 <rehrar> The link is shared with you, and you can click it and watch it.
17:33:31 <msvb-lab> rehrar: Can you tell me and the other speakers the URL we should use to upload our files, is that possible or is your vacation starting too soon?
17:33:44 <sgp_> anyone can view an unlisted video with the link alone yes
17:33:55 <sgp_> they need a YT account to upload to there however
17:33:59 <rehrar> Ummm...I'll set something up on my nextcloud specifically for you to drop your files.
17:34:06 <rehrar> The rest I think will be able to do the YouTube thing
17:34:19 <msvb-lab> Ha, that's nice of you rehrar. Works fine for me.
17:34:20 <rehrar> Since that will just be the easiest thing.
17:34:24 <rehrar> Sounds good.
17:35:05 <msvb-lab> ajs-mob: Do you need more information in order to make your Taiga guide 'how a speaker should upload their content' or is it clear?
17:36:05 <ajs-mob> other than upload url, i have everything i need.
17:36:27 <rehrar> and ajs-mob has access to the Youtube, yeah? so you can get one quick.
17:37:24 <anhdres[m]> for this use case it shouldn't be an issue at all, but doing the youtube thing wouldn't it add an extra generation of lossy encoding to every video?
17:37:51 <sgp_> yes ajs is an owner
17:38:54 <sgp_> best NOT to ask Grayhat to DL from YT since it will be compressed
17:39:32 <msvb-lab> sgp_: Do you have a suggestion what to tell Grayhat who are inviting us to 'send them our content if we want them to process it for us... like apply overlays and adjust volume.'
17:39:46 <rehrar> msvb-lab: oh wait it's just an invitation for them to process?
17:39:50 <msvb-lab> I assume we tell them the URL of the Youtube CDN where our content is found?
17:39:51 <rehrar> we don't need their overlays
17:40:26 <msvb-lab> Unless somebody takes a role in our village to produce the content, then nobody except for the Grayhat adminst can do it.
17:40:36 <anhdres[m]> I'd do a gdrive test. If someone want to PM me their gmail I can add them and try, it should work
17:40:37 <msvb-lab> And they are very friendly people, capable as well.
17:40:51 <ajs-mob> rehrar: we could just set up a FTP server
17:41:00 <rehrar> yeah ok. Let's do that then.
17:41:08 <rehrar> I'll pay for it for simplicity sake.
17:42:44 <msvb-lab> rehrar sgp_: Not sure you got the news, but most villages are prerecording their speeches. We don't have the resources like at Defcon (nobody offering to process content) so it maybe that we ask each speaker to prerecord their presentation.
17:43:00 <rehrar> ahh, this I didn't know for sure
17:43:06 <rehrar> thanks for telling me. That changes things a bit for sure.
17:43:09 <rehrar> Let me think on this then.
17:43:18 <msvb-lab> ...because you came late. If anybody doesn't like the idea of prerecording, we can try to find somebody to do what was done at Defcon. Which worked well.
17:43:28 <rehrar> Is there a presented deadline for getting them the vids?
17:43:34 <msvb-lab> Yes, 17 October.
17:44:05 <msvb-lab> It's a very soft deadline, more like 'Redteam village is requiring from their speakers to provide content by 17 October.' I think the producer 'on loan' is the same one at Redteam.
17:44:11 <rehrar> ok. Thanks.
17:44:23 <rehrar> I'll think on this in a couple of days. We still have a bit of  time.
17:44:34 <rehrar> I'm stepping out now. Sorry for being late, and thanks for explaining. I'll spin up a server soon.
17:44:53 <msvb-lab> Okay, no news for the website rehrar or?
17:45:04 <rehrar> no. Sorry. I'll work on it this week.
17:45:25 <rehrar> As I've mentioned it's been a bit brutal this past week. Got quite sick, personal things, work things.
17:45:47 <msvb-lab> No need for explanations, okay.
17:45:48 <msvb-lab> Shall we move to #7 Outreach and #8 Communications?
17:46:02 <msvb-lab> 7. Outreach (articmine)
17:46:09 <msvb-lab> I think ArticMine is not here or is he?
17:46:33 <msvb-lab> 8. Communications (whoareyou)
17:46:52 <msvb-lab> I have information about communicatiosn...
17:47:06 <msvb-lab> Our discord (at Grayhat server) account has been created for us.
17:47:20 <msvb-lab> So every staff person can already claim their account, or whatever it's called.
17:47:40 <msvb-lab> It's the same procedure as Defcon, so there may be a click robot for human detection.
17:47:48 <msvb-lab> https://grayhat.co/village/monero-village/
17:48:14 <msvb-lab> ...then 'Grayhat Discord'. We should do this, in case people arrive during the conference for the same reason we did at Defcon.
17:48:34 <msvb-lab> needmoney90: Do you have advice regarding our Discord presence (on the Grayhat server?)
17:49:50 <msvb-lab> Any questions or answers about #8 Communications?
17:50:18 <msvb-lab> 9. Music (all)
17:50:50 <msvb-lab> Part of this topic relates to choosing and producing the intro and outro music for our presentations, but if we are prerecording and Grayhat is producing for us then they will do all the work and choose the music they like best.
17:50:58 <msvb-lab> Are we happy with this arrangement?
17:52:25 <msvb-lab> 10. Subprojects
17:52:28 <msvb-lab> 10a. Tippero
17:52:31 <msvb-lab> 10b. Badge
17:52:43 <msvb-lab> I can speak for electronic badge production, which has concluded.
17:52:57 <msvb-lab> I'll send the badges to Grayhat this week, and they will distribute them.
17:53:20 <msvb-lab> Any questions about electronic badges, or any offers of good work to showcase as a subproject?
17:53:38 <msvb-lab> ...or has anybody completed a Tippero, or has anybody completed any project to showcase at all?
17:56:10 <msvb-lab> Before concluding the meeting, please whoever wants to represent Monero and participate at Defcon (free of charge as staff) don't forget to A) Document your role, B) Gain access to our Discord channel, and C) Publish an abstract of your presentation in the Taiga schedule.
17:56:24 <msvb-lab> ABC I guess.
17:56:26 <msvb-lab> 11. Next meeting
17:57:08 <msvb-lab> Our last Monero Village meeting before Grayhat begins, is schedule in two weeks on 17 October 2020 at 17:00 UTC.
17:57:27 <msvb-lab> Shall we change that? If anybody wants to suggest another date or time, please indicate it.
17:58:12 <ajs-mob> date and time is okay
17:59:39 <msvb-lab> Our last Monero Village meeting is on 17 October 2020 at 17:00 UTC on #monero-community. Thanks for all the ideas, and see you next time.
18:00:13 <anhdres[m]> thank you msvb-lab !
18:01:58 <msvb-lab> I really hope we can include your ideas whatever they are anhdres[m] for Grayhat, because it's quite a nice thing to see you in the meeting.
18:02:28 <msvb-lab> If you have time, let's figure out what you want to do and put it in our lineup or schedule.
18:32:09 <anhdres[m]> I'll tell you for sure if I can come up with something, not much free time but always willing to help
19:11:28 <ArticMine> msvb-lab sorry I missed the meeting
19:11:34 <SerHack> Me too