03:29:35 <kayabaNerve> Anyone know of any quality XMR projects which haven't received significant funding? Preferably ones with innovative tech, not ones with centralization (so nothing relying on an underlying organization like a XMR -> email service)
04:05:57 <gingeropolous> kayabaNerve, id say anything that gets monero into the airwaves, but i guess u could call em semi centralized
04:06:25 <gingeropolous> at least the current effort with lochamesh. though once they put their instructions out there, anyone can build the transmitters
04:08:52 <gingeropolous> i mean if you could pout funding into the ringsize a bajillion flower pot to make that grow , thatd be best
04:09:02 <gingeropolous>                   ^ pour
04:09:11 <gingeropolous> s/pout/pour
04:09:11 <monerobux> gingeropolous meant to say: i mean if you could pour funding into the ringsize a bajillion flower pot to make that grow , thatd be best
04:09:17 <gingeropolous> oh yay
04:11:00 <gingeropolous> i think phone-a-fying monero would also be awesome. it *works* on phones, but its not noob friendly. i mean, full node, or at least wallet with a listening node or something
04:15:24 <kayabaNerve> gingeropolous: locha.io, right?
04:33:32 <needmoney90> kayabanerve you could fund rehrar and my proposal to make a radio station :p
04:33:35 <needmoney90> its kinda centralized tho
04:35:47 <kayabaNerve> needmoney90: Yeah, I plan on chipping in :)
04:35:51 <kayabaNerve> Nothing big though
04:36:38 <needmoney90> I think it'll be cool to have an audio only stream that we can hook up to whatever live events are happening
04:58:19 <rehrar> kayabaNerve: nonsense. Fund it all.
04:59:11 <kayabaNerve> rehrar: I'll send 35 XMR if you send me 17.5 rn limited time offer only for my fans #Coinbase official
04:59:36 <kayabaNerve> On a serious note, it's a good idea, but it's not one I'm personally excited about
04:59:49 <kayabaNerve> I really like tech and it's what gets me thinking
05:05:17 <needmoney90> Radio isn't exciting, for sure. But its worth exploring, since its a platform the community can use to host various things people are already doing and watching
05:05:55 <needmoney90> 'audio stream' is more accurate than radio
05:07:47 <kayabaNerve> needmoney90: For me personally, it's not exciting
05:07:53 <kayabaNerve> That was my comment
05:08:00 <needmoney90> its not exciting for me either :p
05:08:04 <kayabaNerve> lol
05:08:06 <needmoney90> radio hasn't been exciting for decades
05:08:19 <needmoney90> Audio streams are pretty unexplored atm though
05:08:22 <needmoney90> everyone wants video
05:08:40 <needmoney90> for stuff like casually listening while doing other stuff, or in the car, I think its neat.
05:09:00 <xmrscott[m]> Well also, so many corporations buy the majority of the wavelengths
05:09:08 <needmoney90> that gap gets filled right now by music/podcasts too
05:09:18 <needmoney90> this is another option
05:09:31 <xmrscott[m]> Making it very hard for any 'genuine' local radio stations
05:09:59 <needmoney90> with internet being fairly ubiquitous, digital radio streams could see a resurgence
05:10:19 * needmoney90 wishful thinking
10:00:00 <midipoet> aren't most car stereos now digital radios (DABs)?
10:02:45 <fluffypony> not in South Africa
10:03:20 <fluffypony> no Sirius, no DAB
10:12:27 <asy> they gimped DAB in the UK :( - 32 kbps mono only
10:16:12 <asy> ^ ah sorry, not all stations are that bad :P
16:51:00 <xmrscott[m]> Checked the 2020 Camry Hybrid because that tends to be the best selling car in the US (for good reason). No DAB in standard package: comes with AM/FM/HD Radio™
16:52:28 <asy> xmrscott[m]: what's HD Radio(TM)?
16:53:42 <xmrscott[m]>  HD Radio  Technology manufactured under license from iBiquity Digital Corporation U.S. and Foreign Patents. HD Radio  and the HD, HD Radio, and “Arc” logos are proprietary trademarks of iBiquity Digital Corp.
16:55:36 <xmrscott[m]> According to Wikipedia: In the United States, however, other digital broadcast technologies than HD radio (such as DAB+) have not been approved for use on either the FM or AM band
16:55:58 <xmrscott[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HD_Radio#HD_Radio_versus_DAB
16:55:59 <monerobux> [WIKIPEDIA] HD Radio#HD Radio versus DAB | "HD Radio (HDR) is a trademarked term for the in-band on-channel (IBOC) digital radio technology used by AM and FM radio stations mostly in the United States, Canada and Mexico, with a few implementations outside North America. The system transmits additional digital data associated with an existing radio..."
16:56:05 <thrmo> why was it decided to move the CCS/FFS into a centralized third party that requires registration (i.e Gitlab)?
16:56:35 <asy> thrmo: isn't the gitlab instance hosted by someone here?
16:57:09 <thrmo> you're still registering with Gitlab though, no?
16:57:25 <asy> you can sign in through gitlab or github, or you can just create an account on this instance
16:57:58 <thrmo> didn't know thats the case
16:58:02 <thrmo> in that case it's less bad
16:58:13 <thrmo> it still requires js unlike the getmonero website though
16:58:15 <xmrscott[m]> asy: It's hosted by core, it's a subdomain of getmonero.org (repo.getmonero.org)
16:58:36 <asy> i think that the gitlab/github sso might actually be broken, since ssh doesn't work and gitlab can't see your password if you use sso
16:58:50 <thrmo> xmrscott[m], it still requires Javascript
16:58:55 <sarang> I'm told SSH support is something upstream, like cloudflare or some such entity
16:58:56 <rehrar> thrmo yes but the CCS itself doesn't require JavaScript.
16:59:02 <thrmo> which is not the greatest plan ever
16:59:19 <asy> .rip buttflare
16:59:19 <monerobux> (X_X) ☜ (◉▂◉ ) we hardly knew ye
16:59:48 <rehrar> All donations can be made with no JavaScript. Opening a proposal, unfortunately, does have JavaScript.
17:00:30 <thrmo> yup, that's not great, as it potentially limits the scope of people who would be willing to do that
17:00:30 <rehrar> Or commenting. But there are other ways that the community listens to regarding people's opinions of a proposal. Reddit and IRC for example.
17:00:56 <thrmo> developers or researchers with tight opsec might be put off by it for instance
17:01:03 <xmrscott[m]> Technically you can do it all using git, thus not needing JS, no?
17:01:15 <rehrar> thrmo: I guess. They asked that it be git based so all changes were tracked and stuff. Do it was designed that way.
17:01:33 <rehrar> JavaScript also ceases to be a problem with a good Qubes/Whonix is setup
17:01:49 <xmrscott[m]> 1. Register 2. Create branch 3. Add .md doc 4. use template 5. write proposal 6. Save file and commit, MR
17:02:02 <thrmo> unfortunately not everyone uses Qubes :D rehrar
17:02:10 <xmrscott[m]> All of that can be done via Git sans registering
17:02:24 <rehrar> thrmo: people that need tight opsec should use the correct tools for the job.
17:02:47 <rehrar> If someone needs really tight opsec and is upset that they can't browse the CCS on their windows machine, I don't know what to say. :P
17:02:52 <xmrscott[m]> Also, I found an issue w/ the steps here: https://ccs.getmonero.org/how-to-ccs/
17:02:53 <thrmo> depends on the threat model too
17:03:04 <thrmo> javascript is still a problem on tails for instance I think
17:03:09 <thrmo> and it's a good tool
17:03:11 <xmrscott[m]> The last 1. 2. 3. steps should be 5. 6. 7.
17:03:29 <thrmo> qubes > mostly everything else
17:03:29 <thrmo> lol
17:03:50 <rehrar> xmrscott[m]: I think that's an issue with the markdown. It automatically numbers for you. And there was a note or paragraph separating in the middle of the list.
17:04:00 <thrmo> thanks xmrscott[m]
17:04:05 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah I figured
17:04:11 <rehrar> So it auto incremented from the beginning again. :P
17:04:26 <xmrscott[m]> In theory manually overriding it with 5. 6. 7. should fix it tho
17:04:27 <rehrar> Follow steps 1-3 and then after that, follow steps 1-3
17:04:48 <rehrar> I don't know how to do a manual override? If you do, can you send the MR?
17:05:32 <xmrscott[m]> Will look into it after work
18:27:00 <rehrar> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/iteivi/rehrar_transparency_report/
18:27:00 <monerobux> [REDDIT] rehrar transparency report (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by Rehrar | Created at 2020-09-15 - 18:26:43
18:27:05 <rehrar> rehrar transparency report
18:27:55 * asy looks straight through rehrar 
18:27:56 <asy> neat!
21:05:54 <sgp_> Though reddit crowd
21:07:52 <rehrar> Reddit XMR community before knowing that is paid: "rehrar is bae"
21:08:07 <rehrar> Reddit community after: "rehrar is cray"
21:08:38 <dEBRUYNE> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/iteivi/rehrar_transparency_report/g5e88sa/
21:08:49 <dEBRUYNE> None of those projects were explicitly proposed by core -_-
21:08:57 <dEBRUYNE> Except rehrar's remuneration
21:10:50 <rehrar> Oof. I'm going down in history alongside 8btc
21:12:01 <asy> .choice chinese forum|monero sail|rehrar
21:12:01 <monerobux> asy: Your options: chinese forum, monero sail, rehrar. My choice: monero sail
21:12:18 <rehrar> LOL!!
21:12:31 <asy> i always thought 'bux was more of an 8btc guy
21:12:34 <asy> you think you know a bot...
21:29:19 <sgp_> it's finally available https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/news-insights/anti-money-laundering-regulation-of-privacy-enabling-cryptocurrencies.html
21:35:54 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: Please post on r/cryptocurrency too
21:36:00 <dEBRUYNE> In case of conflict, I can do it I guess
21:40:17 <sgp_> yeah can you please repost? I'm busy on Twitter
21:40:38 <selsta> w0w
21:41:24 <selsta> dEBRUYNE: your comment on reddit does not show up
21:42:07 <selsta> ok it does now
21:42:16 <selsta> took like 2 minutes lol
21:42:53 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: Will do
22:21:38 <dEBRUYNE> sgp posted here -> https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/itif7w/perkins_coie_whitepaper_antimoney_laundering/
22:21:38 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Perkins Coie Whitepaper: Anti-Money Laundering Regulation of Privacy-Enabling Cryptocurrencies. (https://www.perkinscoie.com/en/news-insights/anti-money-laundering-regulation-of-privacy-enabling-cryptocurrencies.html) to r/CryptoCurrency | 3 points (100.0%) | 1 comments | Posted by dEBRUYNE_1 | Created at 2020-09-15 - 21:45:07