01:00:25 <needmoney90> So, with this ciphertrace stuff, do you think think we can effectively say we have successfully made Monero too traceable for criminals like WannaCry, but still completely private & fungible?
01:00:31 <needmoney90> 👀
01:00:55 * needmoney90 trolls
01:04:15 * Thominus Keccack hashes needmoney90 8b3390c4247e6dfbf94d1416b882365cc80217e17b14ee574828e0c98099e1c0
01:07:25 <Thominus> hmm no I guess it would be 1a09cb96f883e74acdb2228ff48333a76157ac5c7bf8ca212a1989e8b2f8f030
02:00:35 <needmoney90> just fyi xmrhaelan, the guy in that thread is a writer for cointelegraph who has written *numerous* hit pieces on Monero in the past, his ethics in journalism are practically zero in my eyes
02:01:02 <needmoney90> I would recommend giving him the cold shoulder.
02:03:05 <needmoney90> We shouldn't lend our credibility to him, or his outlets.
02:07:12 <needmoney90> his main account is banned in so many subreddits for shilling dash that he's made a new account to ban evade and post about it
02:19:15 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> needmoney90 thanks for the insight. I try to err on the side of good faith until given a reason to think otherwise. This is a good reason.
02:19:53 <needmoney90> main username is thedesertlynx, you've probably heard the name before
02:22:51 <needmoney90> some recent gold from his post history is complaining about "censorship" in /r/btc because his posts and comments get downvoted
02:23:06 <needmoney90> because apparently downvotes mean he's being censored and this is unacceptable
02:23:31 <needmoney90> followed by agreeing with fireice that Monero is a cult lol
02:24:28 <needmoney90> ("agreeing" is perhaps stretching it a bit)
02:25:07 * needmoney90 stops wasting his time
08:52:17 <needmoney90> If ciphertrace did research for the DHS, that research should be available to FOIA, no?
10:21:50 <asy> hi Bessie72Pfanners
10:22:42 <fluffypony> needmoney90: I'm surprised thedesertlynx is still around
10:22:50 <fluffypony> would have thought he'd have given up by now
10:23:57 <needmoney90> Whats your assessment of him?
10:25:01 <fluffypony> like a dog with a bone
10:25:07 <fluffypony> doesn't know when to let things go
10:25:20 <asy> .rip Bessie72Pfanners
10:25:20 <monerobux> (X_X) ☜ (◉▂◉ ) we hardly knew ye
10:25:28 <fluffypony> and thinks that shouting at people will make them become Dash True Believers
16:14:41 <rehrar> if he shouted at me I'd join :(
16:14:45 <rehrar> but he never has
16:36:45 <kinghat[m]> looks like vice hopped on the train: https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/wxq9xx/the-irs-wants-to-buy-tools-to-trace-privacy-focused-cryptocurrency-monero
16:51:56 <sgp_> All news is good news I guess
17:02:22 <msvb-pub> Hello.
17:03:02 <sgp_> Is that Ubuntu conference still happening next week? The one that was supposed to be in Portugal and Monero was invited to?
17:05:58 <msvb-pub> Good question sgp_.
17:06:34 <Guest10458> no meeting today?
17:06:51 <msvb-pub> Do we have a meeting today?
17:07:03 <msvb-pub> rehrar?
17:07:39 <kinghat[m]> Bueller?
17:08:21 <Guest10458> There should be one
17:09:45 <msvb-pub> sgp_ Where do we get information about the Ubuntu conference you wrote about?
17:10:12 <Guest10458> If rehrar is not around, i can host the meeting if people are up to having one
17:12:28 <lh1008[m]> Hello everyone
17:13:44 <xmrscott[m]> Semana Aberta do Centro de Reabilitação Profissional de Alcoitão  (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ConferenceAppearances )
17:13:58 <xmrscott[m]> Presumably
17:15:20 <Guest10458> Is anybody around for the meeting? Let's make a round of greetings to see if people are around for the meeting.
17:15:43 <Guest10458> Hi
17:15:44 <lh1008[m]> o/
17:16:04 <lh1008[m]> Hi
17:17:35 <rehrar> Oof. I spaced.
17:17:47 <rehrar> But Erciccione, you can still run. :D
17:17:57 <rehrar> I'd like to see you do it and have you as a backup.
17:18:05 <rehrar> Also change your name from Guest10458
17:18:13 <Guest10458> no go ahead rerhar.
17:18:33 <rehrar> Ok cool. Sorry for my tardiness everyone. We can get started.
17:18:35 <Guest10458> I already moderated some community meetings btw. happy to help if needed :)
17:18:37 <rehrar> 1. Greetings.
17:18:41 <rehrar> Who all is here?
17:18:49 <lh1008[m]> O_
17:18:51 <Guest10458> am i guest again? ffs
17:19:54 <kinghat[m]> 👋
17:20:00 <hyc> hi
17:20:10 <sethsimmons> Hi all
17:20:59 <sgp_> Hello
17:21:51 <rehrar> Cool. Decent crowd.
17:22:41 <rehrar> 2. Updates
17:22:56 <rehrar> I'm going to try to merge several things here, but let's have workgroups first.
17:23:15 <rehrar> Once again, I'm going to try the format of, if you head or are involved in a workgroup and you have an update, please say so and give it.
17:24:05 <rehrar> ErCiccione, xmrhaelan, lh1008[m], dsc_, selsta, dEBRUYNE
17:24:17 <lh1008[m]> Hey everyone
17:24:29 <rehrar> got an update on outreach?
17:24:43 <selsta> we are preparing for v0.17 release, not much else
17:24:48 <selsta> going smooth for now
17:24:52 <lh1008[m]> So, outreach workgroup, we finally merged Russian PSAs https://www.monerooutreach.org/monero-Лучший-практика/
17:25:46 <lh1008[m]> We're almost finishing the Quickfacts sheet too. It's being re-design, so we are going to give out something easier to hand out to people in several languages
17:25:51 <rehrar> Neato
17:26:32 <lh1008[m]> Triptych article was launched, we're catching up with all languages at god speed, and organizing how we are going to open more languages for the site
17:26:52 <lh1008[m]> More news about this we might have for next meeting
17:26:54 <lh1008[m]> :)
17:27:04 <rehrar> to clarify, ErCiccione localization people aren't really involved in the work of Monero Outreach or they are?
17:27:11 <kinghat[m]> your articles are really awesome 🙏
17:27:28 <lh1008[m]> Well, I would say yes, but everyone is free to come and go.
17:27:46 <lh1008[m]> Netrik182 helps out, erciccione is our lead maintainer in the repository
17:27:47 <sgp_> Triptych article was especially awesome
17:27:56 <lh1008[m]> so erciccione is really heavily involved with outreach
17:27:58 <ErCiccione> rehrar: Some of them are. I also maintain the repository where translations are submitted (so i also review them)
17:28:25 <rehrar> funky on the surface, but checks out further down
17:28:26 <rehrar> cool deal
17:28:28 <rehrar> any other updates?
17:28:56 <ErCiccione> Nothing particular from me
17:29:05 <ErCiccione> for both website and localizations
17:29:12 <sgp_> Our next Monero Meet is next Saturday if you want to join
17:29:24 <ErCiccione> will do call for translators for the GUI and an update about the website soon
17:29:31 <rehrar> Monero Space is technically a new workgroup. So you guys can update here also if you'd like.
17:29:37 <lh1008[m]> Not that I can remember today, but thanks for letting us reach the Monero community :)
17:30:10 <rehrar> Can I....make a little request/complaint?
17:30:18 <lh1008[m]> Is there's a Monero Space IRC channel?
17:30:25 <sgp_> #monero-space
17:30:47 <lh1008[m]> Yes, please punch me
17:30:49 <rehrar> When I redesigned the Monero website, I was hamstrung by several people who wanted Monero to keep that FOSS feel (i.e. kinda bad looking). I'm neutral to positive about how the design ended up.
17:31:09 <rehrar> I think it could have been taken a lot farther, and improved a bunch. But the community liked it, so it is how it is.
17:31:54 <rehrar> My design firm is recently redoing Zcoin's site (not on core time obv) for their rebrand, and it bums me out. Cuz I went all out on that design, and it looks pretty rockin', and I didn't get to do that for Monero.
17:32:16 <lh1008[m]> I like the design, is the design not FOSS? Maybe I'm a little lost here
17:32:17 <rehrar> I wonder if people in the community would be open to a fresh look. Not restructure. ErCiccione has been doing a great job.
17:32:25 <rehrar> *great job on that front.
17:32:40 <sethsimmons> Would LOVE to see a second look taken at the website design
17:32:49 <sarang> What's your vision for an update rehrar?
17:32:50 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: when I say FOSS, I don't mean that the code itself is open source. It is. I mean that many FOSS projects have awful websites.
17:32:53 <sethsimmons> There are some great ones out there, would be good to see proposals for refreshes
17:33:06 <sgp_> What other priorities would this bump?
17:33:15 <rehrar> And many of them are proud of that fact. "It shows we put our effort into the code not the marketing" that kinda thing.
17:33:38 <hyc> well yeah, there can be such a thing as too slick
17:33:38 <rehrar> sgp_: Monero FM for now. We got the approvals all around, and opened the CCS (which we'll talk about later in this meeting).
17:33:45 <rehrar> Also, it will be alongside Grayhat (which we'll also talk about)
17:33:48 <ErCiccione> I think if we want to refresh the website, we should take in consideration fixing a lot of deep issues first. The last redesign broke a significant amount of things. Some of those are hard to fix now because we have so many languages. So i think the idea of a deep redesign should be weighted carefully
17:34:25 <hyc> it took quite a long time just to revampe the download page
17:34:29 <rehrar> ErCiccione: true, but there's no commitment to it necessarily. I can make a front page mockup, and we can see if it's good enough to offset the cost of working through it
17:34:41 * sgp_ goes to tweet about the open CCS
17:35:23 <lh1008[m]> @rehrar you design zcoin site? https://zcoin.io/
17:35:32 <rehrar> ErCiccione: a redesign might also be an excuse for me to focus some of my time on working with you to fix those deep issues.
17:35:32 <ErCiccione> rehrar: Sure, but i would still prefer to dedicate time in fixing the core problems. Adding/editing a moneropedia or user guide is still a massive pain and impossible to maintain
17:35:33 <sgp_> Oh, it's not open yet
17:35:37 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: no. I didn't make that.
17:35:45 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: they are rebranding. I'm making their new site. It's not done yet.
17:36:04 <lh1008[m]> oh, okay :D
17:36:06 <rehrar> sgp_: I meant it's on Ideas, and will be discussed. Not in fr. Sorry for confusion.
17:36:29 <rehrar> Anyways, it's just an idea I want to bring up to gauge possibility and interest.
17:36:30 <ErCiccione> My opinion is that sure, a redesign would be nice, but i really think that fixing core problems (which have nothing to do with the design) should be the priority
17:36:34 <sethsimmons> Combining a re-design with simplifying contributions to guides/Moneropedia would be a good path forward if possible.
17:36:42 <rehrar> ErCiccione: that'd entail a move from Jekyll, I think
17:37:01 <ErCiccione> to what?
17:37:07 <rehrar> Which, tbh, I'd be totally for that. There's a few new ones around (like Hugo or whatever) and I think they have some things in the base installation that Jekyll devotes to plugins.
17:37:12 <sarang> Brief interjection, that I hope accessibility is specifically considered in any updates or redesigns
17:37:26 <rehrar> sarang: in what way?
17:37:27 <sarang> Good accessibility benefits all users
17:37:45 <sarang> Ensuring that things like color design, screen reader compatibility, etc. are considered
17:37:48 <hyc> friendly to screen-readers perhas?
17:37:59 <rehrar> ErCiccione: you and I should talk in the next couple of days. I'll poke at a few other static site generators.
17:38:01 <hyc> as well as responsive to mobiles
17:38:07 <sgp_> It's a major selling point of the current site
17:39:24 <sgp_> Honestly rehrar, a full redesign is much less important to me than, say, redoing the community page
17:39:43 <ErCiccione> sure. But please let's not over simplify this task. We have a huge amount of translations that would need to be transferred to a brand new system.  Without counting all the docs and strings. Such massive change would take months. Does it really worth it?
17:39:48 <sgp_> That's been on the docket for years now
17:40:05 <rehrar> sgp_: we can do all of the rest of the restructures alongside the redesign
17:40:17 <rehrar> ErCiccione: I understand the gargantuan nature of this thing.
17:40:31 <ErCiccione> sgp_: I was thinking of starting work on the community page soon. It has been waiting for way too long now
17:41:01 <sgp_> Let's rename it "communities" :)
17:41:33 <ErCiccione> yeah we will talk about that in the issue. For now i'm trying to simplify the way the moneropedia works. Editing 24 files every time we add a file is madness
17:41:39 <ErCiccione> *every time we add an entry
17:41:48 <sgp_> Yeah that's insane
17:42:07 <ErCiccione> and will get worse with every language added (and 2 new languages are comingsoon)
17:43:10 <ErCiccione> That's why i'm very skeptic about a redesign.
17:43:40 <rehrar> ErCiccione: yes, this was discussed when I first added the multilingual plugin. I said it would be impossible to scale.
17:43:42 <lh1008[m]> From the spanish community we have been thinking about something
17:43:46 <rehrar> I was told we'd cross that bridge when we come to it. :D
17:44:24 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: go ahead
17:44:27 <ErCiccione> rehrar: To be honest i think that plugin was implemented incorrectly during the redesign. Many problems could have been avoided. The plugin is quite versatile to be honest
17:44:35 <lh1008[m]> I would like to say it before we close the meeting, this could help in the redesign and stuff, removing so much workload to some community members. Not sure how it would sound but I'll throw it out.
17:44:53 <rehrar> ErCiccione: my lack of skill as an engineer shows again
17:45:11 <rehrar> ok, I'll make sure to come back to you then lh1008[m]
17:45:14 <rehrar> let's move forward for now
17:45:16 <lh1008[m]> We were thinking why not create from the Official Monero Core address an account address for each language. Donations for each language
17:45:16 <rehrar> CCS stuff
17:45:26 <rehrar> oh, lol. Ok. Go ahead.
17:45:58 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: what would be the purpose of this?
17:46:56 <lh1008[m]> Every language will have displayed an address and those communities (spanish, french, turkish, etc.) will have to find ways to develop themselves. A more decentralized nature of working and "pushing" the communities to work for themselves.
17:47:14 <lh1008[m]> Like if every language is a node
17:47:38 <lh1008[m]> This will help activate IRC channels for each language, put poeple to work
17:47:48 <rehrar> and Core team would hold the keys to all of them? Who decides how the funds are dispersed?
17:48:08 <hyc> www.domain/en/index.html  www.domain/de/index.html etc...
17:48:10 <lh1008[m]> That's something that needs to be discussed.
17:48:41 <ErCiccione> Just a final note on the website. We can and we have to fix the problems i mentioned. The plugin scales well, but we have to move every single moneropedia and user guide entry. Which is a massive job (which, as i mentioned will get worse with time). If people are up for it, we will have to discuss how to deal with that very soon. It will need a lot of dedicated time
17:48:48 <lh1008[m]> The same as there's Monero Core, there could be Monero Core Es (spanish), that comply to follow community rules but with responsibilities
17:48:54 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: what stops someone from starting a Monero Spanish workgroup and putting up a donation address and stuff? Without involving core?
17:49:23 <rehrar> ErCiccione: my job is literally doing dedicated time things that nobody likes to do, so I'm up to put my hours there until it's done. Starting whenever you need me.
17:49:27 <lh1008[m]> No one, I was going to do it anyway. I wanted to throw the idea here and hear from you all
17:50:05 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: it sounds nice in theory, but all of these other core teams would have much less power than regular core just by nature of not having access to the repos. So it would make sense to think of them more as workgroup leads rather than core teams.
17:50:09 <rehrar> But that's just my thoughts.
17:50:15 <rehrar> Anyone else?
17:50:16 <lh1008[m]> The spanish community already exists, the same as french, italian, etc.
17:50:40 <ErCiccione> rehrar: Alright, that's actually very good. I'll think about an attack plan. I might need to make a bigger ccs proposal (because this will be a long and very boring work)
17:50:52 <lh1008[m]> yeah, but decentralizing funds
17:51:16 <lh1008[m]> Removing the heavy bags from the center and putting them in different parts
17:51:21 <lh1008[m]> decentralization
17:51:35 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: I wouldn't mind if people from a different language group banded together and made their own self-funding, self-sustaining groups to get stuff done.
17:51:52 <rehrar> If you need resources, please let me know what would be needed to make this happen.
17:52:15 <lh1008[m]> Okay rehrar, thank you :)
17:52:20 <rehrar> Sure thing.
17:52:23 <rehrar> NOW CCS :)
17:52:52 <rehrar> let's get the easiest one out of the way first
17:52:53 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/167
17:53:05 <rehrar> German translation stuff for User Guides
17:53:06 <rehrar> yay nay?
17:53:22 <ErCiccione> ^ i gave her suggestions about how to structure and write the proposal
17:53:52 <ErCiccione> She is one of the most active contributors and i would really like to see moneropedia and guides translated
17:54:02 <ErCiccione> So, that's a yay for me
17:54:10 <rehrar> I defer to your knowledge here, so that's a yay from me as well.
17:54:16 <rehrar> such power that you wield
17:54:33 <lh1008[m]> yay
17:54:40 <selsta> Are there any outdated guides on the website?
17:54:50 <ErCiccione> unlimited poweeeeer
17:55:04 <selsta> These should get removed before they get unnecessarily translated
17:55:34 <ErCiccione> selsta: I updated the super outdated one. They are ok now. Some need new screenshots but they are all in good conditions now
17:55:40 <ErCiccione> i should take a deeper look tho
17:55:54 <ErCiccione> consider we have already a contributor translating them in norwegian as we speak
17:56:29 <rehrar> ok, I'll pass it on to luigi that we think it should be moved
17:56:30 <rehrar> next up
17:56:33 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/167
17:56:37 <rehrar> Monero FM
17:56:50 <selsta> wrong link?
17:56:57 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/165
17:56:58 <rehrar> lul
17:58:03 <rehrar> needmoney90: you here?
17:58:05 <ErCiccione> My only skepticism is that an online radio will take really a lot of time and effort. Especially in the terms is being proposed
17:58:57 <sgp_> Yeah it's a full time hobby
17:59:04 <asy> i think that something legitimate wouldn't have the same charm as wow!radio :P
17:59:43 <ErCiccione> I worked in a radio part time for quite a bit of time. I was shocked to see how much time and preparation a very short transmission would take
18:01:36 <rehrar> asy: charm? maybe not. Power and reach? much more so
18:01:37 <sgp_> It's a low initial cost though and Doug seems interested
18:02:11 <rehrar> yeah, to me, this seems like something to try for a year. It may not suck. If it does, we don't have to renew.
18:02:22 <sgp_> I think I'd ideally prefer for it to be independent of the CCS though
18:02:24 <lh1008[m]> A radio station is heavy stuff, but it could be worth it. El monero spanish podcast could help with content (just saying; can't really speak from them but I have been hearing their podcasts lately)
18:02:56 <rehrar> lh1008[m]: I think a lot of our audio/youtube content can be recycled to play at different times.
18:03:05 <sgp_> Yeah
18:03:52 <rehrar> ok, so overall thoughts rated 1 (worst idea ever) to 5 (best)
18:03:55 <rehrar> ?
18:03:58 <lh1008[m]> yeah, true dat
18:04:14 <rehrar> er, let me change that scale
18:04:19 <sgp_> I'm 4/5 for moving
18:04:20 <rehrar> 1 (don't merge) 5 (merge)
18:04:41 <lh1008[m]> 5
18:05:25 <rehrar> alright. We'll move on to the lat one.
18:05:26 <rehrar> *last
18:05:32 <rehrar> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/168
18:05:36 <rehrar> atomic swaps implementation
18:05:41 <rehrar> it's had a lot of discussion already
18:06:05 <rehrar> mostly revolving around breaking it up into smaller CCSs, to account for lessons learned from past, long-term proposals
18:06:12 <ErCiccione> My opinion is the same. Split it in two and let other projects fund half or at least part of the efforts
18:06:55 <sgp_> Do we even know of who else would pay for this?
18:06:58 <rehrar> and these projects will fund in Monero?
18:07:03 <dEBRUYNE> I think a split in 4 would even be more reasonable
18:07:05 <rehrar> we can always ask Incognito :P
18:07:18 <sgp_> It's fine in theory to say BTC communities should pay somehow, but we need to find them
18:07:19 <rehrar> they keep trying to chum up to me and others
18:07:23 <dEBRUYNE> Also vtnerd makes a good point that 'It almost certainly needs to undergo review before the community funds $280k for an implementation.'
18:07:39 <rehrar> so fund a protocol audit first?
18:08:52 <sgp_> Hmm, maybe the Audit workgroup should have a discussion :D
18:09:23 <rehrar> to the auditmobile
18:10:23 <rehrar> ok, that one is still relatively fresh, so I think we can sit on it for a bit
18:10:39 <rehrar> msvb-web: are you here?
18:10:58 <rehrar> last thing before open ideas time (OIT) is a bit of grayhat discussion
18:11:27 <rehrar> for those of you that are unaware, Monero was invited to do a Monero Village at Grayhat, similar to how we do at Defcon. It's online-only.
18:11:33 <rehrar> https://grayhat.co/
18:11:44 <dEBRUYNE> rehrar: Perhaps not a full audit, but having another set of eyes have a look at it wouldn't hurt I guess
18:11:59 <rehrar> in the absence of msvb, I'll take over discussion and will defer if he appears
18:12:11 <rehrar> we're still looking for anyone interested in doing a virtual presentation
18:12:29 <rehrar> ErCiccione: even you could do one. No cam, voice changer. Talking about the difficulties of working in FOSS stuff.
18:13:24 <sgp_> Who's giving a presentation atm?
18:13:29 <ErCiccione> mmh, not a big fan of the idea, but i will think about it
18:13:52 <rehrar> myself, ArticMine, michael. That's it confirmed so far.
18:13:56 <rehrar> Don't remember if intj440 was down.
18:14:05 <ErCiccione> Thanks for thinking of me though, would be really interesting to speak about that
18:14:48 <rehrar> as well as speakers, we could potentially use volunteers for a few different things
18:15:05 <rehrar> such as fleshing out the CTF we had, and/or making other fun puzzles as a part of our village
18:15:12 <rehrar> these puzzles can then be reused for defcon
18:15:42 <dsc_> $280k??
18:15:45 <dsc_> w0w
18:16:00 <rehrar> also, on a similar note, I think the word going around from C3 people is that it will not take place physically this year. A few rumors going around about what they're going to do about it virtually.
18:16:27 <rehrar> Which means, my travels for this year are officially done. Both a relief and a bummer.
18:16:43 <rehrar> dsc_: got a feather wallet update?
18:18:17 <dsc_> sure just check my twitter ;p
18:18:20 <rehrar> barring that, we can move to OIT, and if there's nothing there we can end.
18:18:29 <rehrar> OIT! Anyone have something fun to share?
18:18:43 <rehrar> I probably should have put my redesign discussion here, but I set a bad example. :(
18:19:14 <dsc_> Btw, both CTF and Radio are things I pioneered!!
18:19:24 <asy> dog bless
18:19:36 <rehrar> yes
18:19:43 <rehrar> dsc_: is literally the big man on campus
18:19:47 <rehrar> wait, no
18:19:53 <rehrar> the new ctf is one that needmoney90 made
18:19:58 <dsc_> Sorry for derailing the meeting at hand lol
18:20:00 <rehrar> tracking challenge
18:20:08 <asy> needexploting90
18:20:10 <rehrar> unless you pioneered that too
18:20:16 <asy> needexploiting90 even*
18:20:18 <dsc_> needmoney made a puzzle not a Ctf
18:20:25 <dsc_> </pedantic>
18:21:31 <dsc_> A Feather update; we got .appimage to work for those that love appimages
18:21:47 <dsc_> So our CI/CD currently spits out: Windows / Linux / AppImage builds
18:22:28 <rehrar> Woot
18:22:37 <rehrar> Ok all. That's it for now. Again, sorry about my tardiness.
18:22:50 <rehrar> Meet in two weeks.
18:22:52 <rehrar> Bai!
18:22:55 <dsc_> bye
18:23:00 <dsc_> I'm available for Feather questions RIGHT NOW
18:23:06 <dsc_> ANYONE GOT SOMETHING!??!1
18:23:52 <ErCiccione> Why "feather"?
18:24:19 <rehrar> Because a pound of feathers weighs less than a pound of bricks.
18:24:28 <dsc_> Linux builds to a 30mb archive as opposed to 100mb for the Official GUI, also the UI doesnt require as much graphical power, Feather will probably run on a Pentium 3
18:24:48 <dsc_> feather was our internal dev name, after "molectrum", and it just stuck ;p
18:25:49 <dsc_> But it encompasses what we try to achieve: basic looking UI, a fast/robust/stable program that looks like any other program
18:26:19 <dsc_> Bitcoin's Electrum AppImage is about 2x as big and starts 3x as slow
18:26:29 <dsc_> gottagofast
18:27:24 <kinghat[m]> did you make a feather irc channel or whatevs?
18:27:30 <dsc_> #feather on OFTC
18:27:42 <dsc_> freenode is not Tor friendly
18:28:02 <kinghat[m]> hmm
18:28:21 <asy> dsc_: tor signups are coming soon(TM). you'll have to do some proof of work and then they'll let you sign up without using a clearnet address
18:28:45 <ErCiccione> Got it. Thanks
19:09:56 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: is there a reputable onion block explorer for xmr you guys would suggest using? I would just like to use it to check block height, learn more about network, etc thanks!
19:19:44 <ErCiccione> xmrchain.net
19:21:50 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: ok cool i'll check it out, thanks!
19:23:03 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: is there a reputable onion block explorer for xmr you guys would suggest using? I would just like to use it to check block height, learn more about network, etc.
19:23:04 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>:
19:23:05 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: I know I could compile and use the onion explorer with my node but my use case would be to get a second opinion of state of network from different node than my own. Thanks!
19:23:07 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>:  (edited)