Where is everyone at? needmoney90 ?

here

not here

What's up rehrar

does anyone have a good suggestion for good ARM hardware that I can used for a tor router? e.g. some SoC that can run open source software that has at least two NICs?

xmrhaelan: it's kinda absurd they even reached out to your for anything CipherTrace related, since they were the ones to run with the press release originally

Like, pairing that the Triptych is a fucking joke

Its almost like they run press releases without any sort of quality control or something

oh right they've got associations with the bytecoin scammers

of course they run hitpieces

lets just run an article calling them scammers, and say we have proof, but we won't reveal it. They have to prove they aren't scammers :D

Its fair play after they ran an article saying we had broken privacy, but they won't reveal proof, we have to prove its not broken :/

rojiro: Rock64 w/ a USB 3.0 -> Ethernet dongle for a second NIC

Similar to other mindless installer scripts it has (e.g. PiHole) DietPi installer ships with Tor HotSpot setup scripts

I've only used the installer for PiHole, but presumably it would work just as well for Tor HotSpot

What would one accuse them of scamming exactly though?

Just say that in the title

elaborate more in the article

even if its tenuous you can claim "well the details are in the article, its not actually slander because we qualified it"

You could easily claim that they're profiting off of hitpieces, since they can't prove they aren't

thats not even getting into their association with bytecoin/hitbtc

literally just be creative. Make wild claims in the title (which is all people read), and cover your ass by qualifying it in the article body :p

Bonus points if you make specious accusations that they can't falsify

I'm a man of simple tastes. How about something real simple. Title: "CoinTelegraph deletes all traces of CoinTelegraph Wikipedia article showing CoinTelegraph to be connected to scamming operation of Russian hacker group Cozy Bear" Link: Goes to non-existent but believable Wikipedia URL (there is no actual article on CT period)

Don't even write an actual article, just make a link based reddit post

I....dont think that would work very well

ngl

That's what I get for being basic I guess

wikipedia has history ._.

I'm just really sick of the deluge of crap that they've dropped on us. I'll get over it.

It does, but it's Cozy Bear

so many random altcoins want to take a slice of market cap, and will just keep making accounts to sling shit given the slightest chance

its tiring

Hello

I had few questions about CCS

what do you want to know?

so basically the proposals on CCS are created by someone who is willing to do the work

traditionally, yes

oh!

I thought it is more like a wish list

nah, the proposals are all people who are putting up an "i'm willing to do this for X funding"

at least to this point. An open-ended "fund this and we'll find someone to do it" isn't necessarily off the table

its just not really how we've done things til now

yes I get it, I didn't understand that part

most proposals get bounced around here before actually getting put up

so you can get a rough idea of what people think

bounced means ?

get other people's opinion

oh I see

so defintely if the fund is collected the proposal author will be implementing it!

There are milestones, and payouts are dependent on them getting reached

full payout is generally restricted until completion

and not all projects necessarily complete.

I understand the restriction part

but I thought if someone put time into project he would defintely complete it

Life is complicated. Some people talk bigger than their ability.

Possible and possible (for the person making the proposal) are two different things

maintaining Debian package requires no abilities

I was checking this proposal ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/adrelanos-debian-package.html

I am not saying that all projects are likely to not complete, just that it's not something you can take for granted

but that was before I understood is CCS organized

one major example being the Kovri debacle

"reroute transactions through multiple nodes to obfuscate IP addresses" that one ?

yeah

please note that the funding amount on the proposal was from when monero was much lower

so it wasn't as excessive then as it seems now (though it was large)

that is strange because it looks to me like the proposal I was talking about was created around mid 2020

anyways thanks a lot for explaining things through

yup

also the debian stuff was indeed this year

kovri wasn't :)

I will check if Patrick Schleizer is still interested fulfilling the proposal

lol this is great (not Mario, the guy he's sub-tweeting)

it's the new ETH narrative: privacy coins are dead because ETH high fees make LPs of privacy dapps earn more than privacy coin miners

CHECKMATE ATHIESTS

wtf i love mETH now!

cya losers, i just traded my Moroneros and DogeCoinDarks for some Tornados

all right guys, you heard him

hahaha

how does #monero-community rate bch's cashFusion?

<freedude "maintaining Debian package requi"> If it required no abilities it would have been done long ago by someone (e.g. monero-project/monero #2395 wouldn't be open for going on 3 years now)

no please don't take my word for its literal meaning

what I meant is that it is not something that is straight forward once you know what you are doing

xmrscott[m]: i thought it was done

still it requires effort and time and I am not saying that you didn't put time and effort into it

xmrscott[m]: also I appologize if I made it seam trivial or anything

Nah, probably me being up at like 4am for no real good reason, my logic/translations circuits are fried :)

asy: Yes and no. Yes in that it's included in a downstream Debian distro, Whonix. No in that it's not adopted by the parent Debian in any of the branches yet

yet? i don't think it can ever make it into debian stable, maybe just experimental or sid

Part of the reason being the 6 month forks were too much for inclusion in stable branch of Debian

I think there was some minor skuttle over how it was being packaged by Whonix main dev vs someone from Debian in the Monero subreddit which is why it hasn't been included in sid (I think)

yeah just putting the release bins in a deb isn't really "proper". i think it would make more sense to package mooo's updater program and get that put into contrib

I'd have to refind the the thread, I believe it was part of either a Whonix package has been updated to 16.x announcement on the sub, or the CCS request for funds or something

Perhaps I'll try to find it again this weekend to confirm

I mean if that's what Debian asks/requires, that's what they require I guess. Alas, I lack the skillset now to make it happen and learning it is not high on my triage list, but of course happy to throw 1+ XMR into any CCS involving getting Monero and monero-gui into sid

Doesn't the IRS offering $500k to trace Monero prove Ciphertrace's announcement was a load of nothing?

you would imagine the DHS and IRS share resources

needmoney90: Am typing a comment on that lol

I already left one lol

I was going to say 'If CT would have anything concrete for common transactions, this request wouldn't have been put out'

My sweet karma points!

"Yeah we can totally trace Monero. Btw does anyone know how to trace Monero? I'll pay well!"

🤔

apparently, "90%" is not good enough for IRS

Please share that somewhere 😂😂😂

That is pure gold

Do I retweet and burn my CipherTrace bridges.... 😅

Dew it!

Done ✅

Just a retweet no comment 😜

at yes, old news.

ah*

needmoney90 : stellar meme. bravo

re Debian packages - for stuff that's important to update more frequently you can have the maintainer release to backports from testing, or - as with the tor for example, you can have a supporting apt repo to add to sources.list.d , or, a self update mechanism

^ meant "as with the tor packages for example"

xmrscott[m]: thanks for the suggestion. I have been meaning to play with Rock64, so this seems like a fine idea.

Anyone here want to hop on a call and hang for a bit? dsc_?

needmoney90? sethsimmons?

Can't today, busy busy and recording a podcast shortly

Sorry rehrar </3

dEBRUYNE: the tweet you posted on reddit seems down

so Oxygen Orion? or do we need another poll like last time?

seems like the majority are in favor for Orion

selsta: don't want to join?

sorry busy and not on laptop

selsta: but I miss you :(

rip

selsta: Which one?

Ah, they made a new one -_-

Will redo the thread I guess

Hi everyone - we just published a new CCS proposal for funding an open-source implementation of the recent atomic swap protocol! As this proposal represents a big project we'd appreciate all your feedback and comments. repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/168

h4sh3d[m]: Awesome! Please post on Reddit as well such that the community can provide feedback

Is it intended that the protocol or implementation be externally audited?

^ h4sh3d[m]

want me to make that poll?

selsta: when is the cutoff?

would like to know in 1-2 days

sarang: I'm in contact with academic to formalize the protocol, and if we can get the implementation to be externally audited we'll do

Nice

okay one sec

(this statement is missing in the current proposal, but was there before, we'll re-add it)

IMO that's extremely important if the goal is to recommend this for use in production

I would personally not recommend this without protocol and code audits

I suppose we could follow a similar trajectory as with significant Monero upgrades

I've seen quite a few other coins/teams interested in the implementation too

Yeah, we totally agree on that. We think that both can be done in parallel, auditing takes time and good implementation too

Yeah, the fact that this crosses chains makes the entire operation especially sensitive

4 options still Oxygen Orion, Oxygen Ocelot, Oxygen Oceana, Oxygen Oberon?

Sounds good sgp_

I think Reddit new also allows for polls

Would love to see some easy to use atomic swaps but I’m not sure if the proposal is ideal for the CCS, that would be funding 5 full time devs for 7 months? We usually fund one dev for max 3 months.

There are a lot of projects with large premine / dev tax that would also benefit from this proposal, ideally we would find some shared way of funding for this proposal IMO.

Though not sure how easy that will be.

Decred has specifically mentioned potentially helping with funding this

So I will share widely with them once it goes to funding required.

I can also share now for comments if you want?

vote: civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/vote.pl…375bedf3dfb6d&akey=3e507ef6fcca6ae6

Ugh, the items change order when you rank them

that's... confusing

sethsimmons[m]: the link is public ;)

sethsimmons: now would be a good time to share

While discussion is ongoing prior to deciding on funding

sgp_: I vote Oumuamua

selsta we had multiple projects in the passed asking for a large amount of total funding. Just like with those, the funding here is distributed over multiple milestones that need to be delivered and accepted.

does not seem too different to me to other projects like the hardware wallet and kovri, from which also other projects would have benefitted greatly.

both the hardware wallet and kovri failed

that’s why we generally wanted to avoid long CCS requests

I don't think they failed because of their scope though...

is there a reason you don’t want distributed funding?

I would love to see the project but I think 300k is unrealistic for the CCS alone, though I obviously don’t know other peoples funds, so I thought funded over multiple communities would make it easier :)

the more the merrier I'd think, but I definitely believe that this is suited for a CCS.

the project has around 16 milestones, that is pretty distributed

especially because atomic swaps would benefit Bitcoin greatly

not sure it beneficts bitcoin the coin, but certainly its users

yeah, I don't see this tool being recommended by the bitcoin the coin crowd.

selsta: accepting funding from multiple sources is a possibility, but it does lead to a compromise of interests. we want to avoid this for Monero if possible.

Well, I will let others comment, like I said I would love to see the project happening but 5 full time devs for 7 months funded from CCS alone sounds a bit heavy to me, considering that we only fund 1 part time dev for both CLI/GUI currently

I don’t doubt that the project would fail by the way, in case my previous message sounded like that, my concern is solely about funding.

<selsta "I don’t doubt that the project w"> Well, if you *don't* doubt it would fail, maybe that's a more pertinent discussion to have, before suggesting that in lieu of only CCS, multiple projects put money into a black hole ;)

sorry

did I write double negative lol

I doubt it would fail is what I meant to say

also as feedback, maybe a non technical section that explains how an atomic swap would look to the end user

selsta: I think if there are numerous enough milestones it helps to alleviate the problem.

Because if everything dies unexpectedly, it can just be shunted to other projects or the GF

selsta: thanks for the idea of a non tech. section

with 130 votes, Oxygen Orion is winning

sorry, 130 votes total

clearly selsta has rigged the game: monero-project/monero #6812/files#diff-7d6c54d25f0d62a4ccbda175a7260b34R3

lol

Anyone familiar with these guys? twitter.com/harryhalpin/status/1304167305904115714

Yeah, building an incentivized Tor alternative basically.

He was on Monero Talk talking about their product, Nym Mickey

*Mixnet lmao

Either BS paid for that integration or he’s trolling

Literally no one mentioned Liquid, and he ignored all the Monero mentions

Replied to that, the thread makes no sense

He just ignored all the Monero comments, so it wasn’t even an honest request.

Sethsimmons: why do you think popularity contests are generally not allowed on the sub :p

'vote for your favorite coin' is such a garbage way of making decisions

Remember that shit?

We lost to cybermiles. Something tells me popularity contests are rigged to support particular projects from the outset, but maybe I'm just a conspiracy theorist

And they use the contest to draw in eyeballz

wtf is cybermiles lol