00:32:36 <xmrscott[m]> AKA 'stealth address'
01:25:11 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: i'm curious- so when we talk about E being able to see the outputs in a ring signature (as in the EABE example on reddit above), the only way for E to establish one of those outputs from Bob as being from Alice in the EABE scenario is because E originally created the very output to Alice in the first place (when E sent to A), correct? I may have the wrong understanding because it seems this wouldn't be possible. Wo
01:25:12 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>:
01:25:13 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: E -> A   E knows the output to A of course because E created it. However, when:
01:25:15 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: A -> B   the output that E knows about is now changed into a new output not connected to the one E knows about? so now:
01:25:16 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: B -> E    there are no outputs exposed in this transaction that E has seen before?
01:27:55 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: Or maybe I should have the understanding that: the output from E -> A is used in the creation of tx A -> B and thus when B spends to E, if E looks two tx's backwards E will see the familiar output that E originally sent to A? Of course this output will be along with 10 others for that particular tx.
01:33:11 <dsc_> cipher: https://web.getmonero.org/library/Zero-to-Monero-2-0-0.pdf
01:33:39 <dsc_> cipher: https://masteringmonero.com/book/Mastering%20Monero%20First%20Edition%20by%20SerHack%20and%20Monero%20Community.pdf
01:37:36 <derpy_bridge_> <[discord] CiPhEr#2091>: that book looks awesome i'll check it out
03:43:26 <needmoney90> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/165
04:08:05 <rehrar> needmoney90: looks neato
04:09:07 <needmoney90> lol
04:20:56 <kinghat[m]> https://blog.torproject.org/stop-the-onion-denial
04:28:29 <kinghat[m]> one more shakeout to the south needs to happen.
05:53:16 <needmoney90> wen regulatory whitepaper
05:54:56 <Inge-> I don't think the core cypherpunk community and the academic journal reality live in the same time continuum :D
05:56:21 <needmoney90> Is it still soon, or is it closer/further now? D:
05:56:55 <needmoney90> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gb0vg7/icymi_the_initial_version_of_the_regulatory/
05:56:56 <monerobux> [REDDIT] ICYMI: The initial version of the regulatory whitepaper / framework has been completed! (https://youtu.be/ZP4pNgC1elQ?t=3164) to r/Monero | 38 points (94.0%) | 3 comments | Posted by dEBRUYNE_1 | Created at 2020-04-30 - 18:07:03
05:57:06 <needmoney90> we announced that the initial version was complete 4 months ago...
06:19:00 <xmrscott[m]> The paperwork was lost in a boating accident
06:22:57 <needmoney90> :c
06:23:03 <xmrscott[m]> needmoney90: As someone who was a radio DJ for a number of years and since TMK Cypher Stack is US based, out of curiosity will the station be abiding by 'safe hours' / watershed based on Mountain Time?
06:23:52 <needmoney90> Does online radio have to do so?
06:24:04 <needmoney90> Can I get a link to the relevant law?
06:24:33 <xmrscott[m]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watershed_(broadcasting)#United_States
06:24:33 <monerobux> [WIKIPEDIA] Watershed (broadcasting)#United States | "In broadcasting, the watershed is the time of day after which programming aimed towards mature or adult audiences is permitted.In the same way that a geological watershed divides two drainage basins, a broadcasting watershed serves as a dividing line in a schedule between family-oriented programs, and..."
06:24:59 <xmrscott[m]> The radio station I was at was both traditional radio + online, so not quite apples to apples I suppose
06:25:19 <xmrscott[m]> Our tower only had a legal range of like 3 miles though, so most listeners tuned in online
06:26:14 <needmoney90> That law seems to apply only to terrestrial radio and television
06:26:51 <needmoney90> If you were running a simultaneous traditional radio station, it would make sense that the rehost online would fall under the law due to it also being broadcast on radio
06:28:09 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, I'm trying to find the exact statute to see how they have radio defined, if it's only airwaves
06:28:34 <needmoney90> The FCC governs those bands
06:28:36 <needmoney90> so that makes sense
06:28:53 <needmoney90> https://www.fcc.gov/engineering-technology/policy-and-rules-division/general/radio-spectrum-allocation
06:29:07 <needmoney90> I dont see why they would magically have jurisdiction over internet-transmitted music
06:30:26 <needmoney90> that doesn't really make any sense to me if they did
06:30:55 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, tldr limited to FM radio looking at things
06:31:19 <xmrscott[m]> I'm just overly paranoid given the nature of US gov agency overreach
06:33:41 <xmrscott[m]> Yay not worrying about the FCC coming down and being party poopers
06:34:04 <needmoney90> we can play all the gangster rap we want to
06:34:14 <needmoney90> (which is probably a small amount)
06:34:15 <needmoney90> but we can!
07:15:42 <normo> Is there someone around I can contact with regard to ccs.getmonero.org and the CCS proposals? It's about the YAML structure in the CCS proposals.
07:18:48 <midipoet> needmoney90: i like the idea of a community radio station - but in reality, do you think many people will actually listen to it? does anybody really ever listen to internet radio?
07:19:28 <needmoney90> It's another platform that we can use for various community things. For the price, I think its worth trying.
07:19:53 <needmoney90> Off the top of my head, various livestreams that the community does can have audio piped through it, talks (if defcon is active), whatever
07:19:55 <midipoet> Inge-: to be fair, i think the academic journal world works at its own pace from choice, rather than necessity. its part of the trade off. slow-knowledge i think it's called ;-)
07:20:47 <midipoet> needmoney90: i suppose you could also pipe through live shows, Monero Space Monero Talk, etc. i am just not sure if "live" content is in anymore, as opposed to "on-demand"
07:21:07 <midipoet> however, you are maybe correct - as an experiment, there is not too much to lose
11:24:59 <ErCiccione[m]> dEBRUYNE sgp_ your post is online: https://www.getmonero.org/2020/09/01/note-scheduled-upgrades.html
12:04:07 <dEBRUYNE> ErCiccione[m]: Cool, thanks
12:22:09 <ErCiccione[m]> np
12:37:49 <sethsimmons> Great clarifying article, thanks for writing that up dEBRUYNE sgp_ 🙂
12:53:12 <dEBRUYNE> Thanks :)
12:53:17 <dEBRUYNE> Posted on Reddit as well
12:53:29 <dEBRUYNE> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/ioszf0/blog_a_note_on_scheduled_protocol_upgrades/
12:53:32 <sethsimmons> Great, and I shared on Twitter
12:53:34 <dEBRUYNE> Wonder if I should remove the 'Blog:' part from the title
12:54:06 <sethsimmons> Probably would be cleaner
12:54:22 <ErCiccione[m]> dEBRUYNE: i suggest to remove the reddit post and make a new one using www.getmonero... instead of web.getmonero...
12:54:56 <dEBRUYNE> Ok will repost with adjusted title and link
12:55:09 <ErCiccione[m]> perfect. Thanks
12:56:12 <ErCiccione[m]> PSA: When posting a link to the website, always replace web with www. it's needed for the caching system to work correctly (we recently changed the canonical url for getmonero)
12:57:57 <msvb-lab> ErCiccione[m]: You mean you changed the A and AAAA records for Monero's IP block?
12:59:01 <dEBRUYNE> ErCiccione[m], sethsimmons: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/iot1b6/a_note_on_scheduled_protocol_upgrades/
12:59:03 <dEBRUYNE> plz upboot :p
13:00:19 <msvb-lab> I find the considerations about traditional www subdomain interesting, and am happy that we have www.
13:00:22 <msvb-lab> But:
13:00:28 <msvb-lab> $ dig A www.getmonero.org. +short
13:00:28 <msvb-lab> www.getmonero.org.whecloud.com.
13:04:01 <ErCiccione[m]> msvb-lab: It was a change needed for the CDN cache to work correctly. I don't have access to that so i'm not sure of the technicalities.
13:04:05 <ErCiccione[m]> dEBRUYNE: Thanks :)
13:06:36 <ErCiccione[m]> Not sure about that 502 error with getmonero.org.whecloud.com tho. Fluffypony any idea?
13:06:41 <dEBRUYNE> sethsimmons: Will also come in handy for any twitter brawl btw :-P
13:07:03 <sethsimmons> Oh you know I've saved it ;)
13:10:00 <niocbrrrrrr> ErCiccione[m] dEBRUYNE on the blog post the date of Hydrogen Helix is 2016-03-20 which is before the genesis block
13:11:47 <niocbrrrrrr> also the POW column is a bit narrow and shows, at least for me, as.....
13:11:51 <niocbrrrrrr> CryptoNigh
13:11:52 <niocbrrrrrr> t
13:13:04 <sech1> yes, same for me
13:13:14 <sech1> switching to bigger scale in browser fixes it
13:20:44 <dEBRUYNE> niocbrrrrrr: Genesis block was in 2014?
13:21:42 <niocbrrrrrr> dEBRUYNE: my excuse is that I just woke up lol
13:22:37 <niocbrrrrrr> TY dEBRUYNE
13:22:51 <dEBRUYNE> ;p
13:24:49 <sgp_> I'm back, what did I miss?
13:26:31 <sech1> dEBRUYNE genesis block was in 1970: https://xmrchain.net/block/0
13:27:36 <dEBRUYNE> Hah
13:28:39 <fluffypony> you wouldn't access the CNAME directly
13:28:48 <fluffypony> it's the CDN endpoint
13:29:23 <fluffypony> you need to access www.getmonero.org and then the CNAME resolves to A records specific to the region you're in
13:29:42 <fluffypony> and then if it's a cache hit you get served the content, or a cache miss redirects you to web.getmonero.org
13:29:59 <fluffypony> a CNAME isn't a redirect, so trying to access that hostname directly won't work
13:31:11 <asy> .summon paying $lodsamone for a dns provider with ANAME
13:31:11 <monerobux> asy has summoned paying $lodsamone for a dns provider with ANAME, ༼つ ◕_◕ ༽つ come to us paying $lodsamone for a dns provider with ANAME ༼つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
13:31:11 <xmr-pr> luigi1111 luigi1111w luigi1113 luigi1112 luigi1114 ༼つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
13:31:26 <asy> sorry luigi, i forgot xmr-pr listened for that command too :P
13:32:59 <dsc_> doesnt hurt to summon luigi once in a while
13:33:06 <dsc_> keeps him sharp
13:39:48 <fluffypony> lol that's hilarious
14:53:58 <sgp_> Monero: Sound Money Safe Mode by Dr. Daniel Kim premieres tomorrow at 17 UTC: https://youtu.be/aC9Uu5BUxII
14:57:05 <luigi1111w> why is xmr-pr here
14:58:44 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: Would you mind posting on Reddit too?
14:59:10 <hyc> interesting. I was getting hostname not found before, but now it's resolving
15:03:07 <dsc_> luigi1111w: it tracks monero-project/meta issues
15:04:01 <niocbrrrrrr> it also tracks luigi
15:05:19 <dsc_> it follows luigi around in minecraft
15:05:41 <dsc_> and outputs the .merges list in chat
15:05:45 <dsc_> every minute
15:12:48 <luigi1111w> ha! that's why I don't play minecraft
15:14:24 <msvb-lab> hyc: Which hostname were you investigating that did not resolve before? I lost it when CDN was mentioned, which is voodoo for me. So I guess the discussion is not about general use hosts.
15:20:35 <hyc> the www.getmonero.org link dEBRUYNE posted in reddit
15:41:18 <sgp_> dEBRUYNE: Dr. Daniel Kim posted
16:21:24 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: Oki
16:44:19 <rehrar> .summon
16:44:19 <xmr-pr> luigi1111 luigi1111w luigi1113 luigi1112 luigi1114 ༼つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
16:44:19 <monerobux> rehrar has summoned...no one
16:44:24 <rehrar> this
16:44:26 <rehrar> is a beautiful tool
16:44:32 <rehrar> that I now know exists >:D
16:44:46 <sarang> Why are the names not in order
16:45:03 <fluffypony> sarang asking the real questions
16:45:12 <luigi1111w> just dsc things
16:46:43 <sarang> There need to be some things that make sense
16:46:52 <rehrar> #justdscthings is a great thing we should make trending
16:47:05 <rehrar> "Working on a random wallet in secret and con community to fund it." #justdscthings
16:48:17 <asy> just wait until you find out it's locked to wownero, and wipes your computer if you try and connect it to the monero network
16:48:58 <kinghat[m]> anyone read about tor switching to use PoW?
16:49:09 <kinghat[m]> and tokens..
16:49:17 <sarang> ... torkens?
16:49:36 <jwinterm> lol
16:49:45 <jwinterm> I heard about pow, not coin
16:50:17 <rehrar> dsc_: has kind of turned into a wownero shill
16:50:23 <kinghat[m]> not exactly a coin i guess but they want to use both techs to prevent DoS.
16:50:33 <kinghat[m]> https://blog.torproject.org/stop-the-onion-denial
16:50:51 <asy> kinghat[m]: i heard they were looking into randomx :)
16:51:09 <rehrar> did you hear that Protonmail responded to a comment on Twitter and said they'd consider Zcash a payment option?
16:51:15 <kinghat[m]> i read nothing about that
16:51:28 <sarang> Shielded Zcash?
16:51:29 <rehrar> Even though Monero is in the top seven most requested features in ProtonMail.
16:51:48 <rehrar> This always happens btw. It's hard not to think it's a conspiracy sometimes. Happened with Keybase too.
16:51:56 <kinghat[m]> 1. dark mode.
16:51:56 <kinghat[m]> 2. xmr.
16:52:07 <rehrar> When questioned why Zcash and not Monero if they're so gung-ho about privacy, they're 100% silent.
16:52:11 <asy> kinghat[m]: https://github.com/tevador/equix/blob/master/devlog.md
16:52:30 <rehrar> Their blog posts read: "We care about privacy. That's why Zcash."
16:52:36 <rehrar> "What about monero?"
16:52:39 <rehrar> *crickets*
16:52:54 <sarang> Link?
16:53:00 <asy> i don't understand the value of protonmail. sure, your mails are encrypted at rest. but how do you know that they aren't logging them when they come in, or get sent out?
16:53:31 <sarang> You can do PGP messages. Oh, and PM-to-PM messages are client-side encrypted
16:53:48 <sarang> So there are client-side options, but yeah, they can log anything else
16:54:22 <kinghat[m]> i think some of their infrastructure if OSS
16:54:24 <rehrar> https://twitter.com/ProtonMail/status/1302871979985379328
16:54:25 <kinghat[m]> is*
16:54:47 <sarang> Yeah IIRC their client code is FOSS now
16:54:55 <kinghat[m]> thanks for the link, asy. i remember that now.
16:55:00 <rehrar> the fact that protonmail is as private as it gets on email shows more about email as a protocol than about protonmail
16:55:05 <rehrar> email is just fundamentally insecure
16:55:31 <jwinterm> I don't really get how the token thing helps tor
16:55:45 <asy> jwinterm: sending spam costs more cpu time
16:56:23 <jwinterm> but the proof of work has to be small enough that it doesn't prevent normal users right?
16:56:31 <kinghat[m]> the more tokens you have the better a person you are, jwinterm. you of all ppl should know dis.
16:56:43 <jwinterm> and if they tokenize the work then it can be sold on secondary market, right?
16:57:14 <sarang> PoW for spam prevention was an early, early use case presented for it
16:57:29 <jwinterm> I get just using PoW
16:57:30 <niocbrrrrrr> wen sea shells on the blockchain
16:57:32 <sarang> You have a small but nontrivial PoW cost for honest users, which prevents large-scale spamming
16:57:35 <sarang> ya
16:57:38 <asy> monerobux: .summon hashcash
16:57:40 <jwinterm> but I don't see how tokenizing it helps
16:57:55 * jwinterm goes back to school for phd in tokenomics
16:58:04 <kinghat[m]> jwinterm: dont bring logic to a zcash fight.
16:58:07 <asy> maybe intended to be more like the tokens for monero public nodes? short lived
16:59:40 <jwinterm> that doesn't seem to be the case if you look at the paragraph about future uses
16:59:49 <jwinterm> though the whole thing is kidn of scant on details
17:00:05 <rehrar> onioncoin is already taken though
17:00:06 <rehrar> they're screwed
17:00:21 <sarang> tor + token == torken
17:00:24 <rehrar> OOF! Also Torcoin
17:00:25 <rehrar> https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/torcoin-tor/
17:00:26 <sarang> this is easy
17:00:42 <jwinterm> tornero
17:01:39 <rehrar> tor spells backwards is rot
17:01:43 <Inge-> rotcoin
17:01:53 <Inge-> I know a Venezuelan who would like that one
17:02:29 <jwinterm> niocrot
17:03:16 <rehrar> does nobody else have a comment on the Monero FM proposa?
17:03:22 <rehrar> *proposal
17:03:24 <rehrar> it's kind of neat
17:03:35 <rehrar> jwinterm: wownero will get discounted ad spots
17:03:38 <kinghat[m]> wait, are we in a meeting?
17:03:42 <rehrar> no
17:03:45 <rehrar> just wondering
17:03:58 <kinghat[m]> am i in a tunnel?
17:04:54 <jwinterm> lol you will have to pay me to produce ads
17:05:46 <jwinterm> I think it's a pretty cool idea, not sure if the finances are sound
17:05:53 <jwinterm> but it's cheap enough to give it a shot I guess
17:05:58 <kinghat[m]> make an LLC
17:06:51 <jwinterm> monero radio pledge drive makes my bones shiver
17:09:25 <niocbrrrrrr> moneroradiocoin
17:09:25 <sarang> wen tote bags
17:10:21 <niocbrrrrrr> does cyphermarket have tote bags
17:10:44 <sarang> How much to have an announcer with a cool voice do station ID messages, like on over-the-air radio
17:11:04 <kinghat[m]> hmm android 11 was pushed to me
17:15:17 <rehrar> niocbrrrrrr: cyphermarket has tote bags
17:15:26 <rehrar> sarang: you will be that guy
17:15:45 <jwinterm> I have several monero totebags
17:15:51 <jwinterm> one of which I think I bought from rehrar
17:16:30 <niocbrrrrrr> Oh wait
17:17:01 <niocbrrrrrr> I have a mooonero tote bag somewhere
17:18:21 <kinghat[m]> are the hats discontinued?
17:19:25 <rehrar> kinghat[m]: I can get you a hat.
17:19:30 <rehrar> I can get anyone everything.
17:20:00 <asy> rehrar: can i habe a hug? :{
17:20:10 <rehrar> jwinterm: yes, you got one from me. The one with Monero as an orange fruit.
17:20:14 <rehrar> That one is a good design.
17:20:17 <rehrar> asy: no sorry
17:20:21 <asy> :<
17:20:50 <normo> How can I contribute (create merge requests) to https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals for instance?
17:21:55 <rehrar> hey normo
17:22:06 <rehrar> I saw your message earlier, but you left before I could reply
17:22:22 <rehrar> read this: https://ccs.getmonero.org/what-is-ccs/ and this: https://ccs.getmonero.org/how-to-ccs/
17:23:24 <normo> Hi.
17:23:31 <normo> A. Thanks a lot.
17:24:29 <jwinterm> yep, that is pretty cool design I agree
17:24:36 <kinghat[m]> B. Your'e welcome.
17:25:46 <normo> @rehrar Yes, my question from earlier is basically about the structure of some of the YAML `code`, which is invalid. One of the projects is not loaded at all because of tha and there fore not listed on te funding required page: https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/blob/master/avis-moneropedia-userguides.md
17:26:41 <rehrar> do not put a number on milestones
17:26:58 <rehrar> put the title between quotes (not necessary but a precaution with special characters such as &)
17:27:24 <normo> @rehrar I don't want to add a new proposal, I would like to clean the existing ones ;)
17:27:43 <rehrar> I just told you how to change the existing one
17:27:53 <rehrar> `milestones: 2`
17:27:57 <rehrar> remove the 2
17:28:03 <normo> Yes, right.
17:28:09 <rehrar> oh
17:28:14 <rehrar> also the milestone names are wrong
17:28:23 <rehrar> `name: Milestone 1: Moneropedia`
17:28:32 <rehrar> remove "Milestone 1:"
17:28:36 <rehrar> just leave Moneropedia
17:28:38 <rehrar> so it should say
17:28:41 <rehrar> name: Moneropedia
17:28:45 <rehrar> do the same for the second one.
17:28:45 <normo> Exactly. Good points.
17:28:53 <rehrar> I think the second colon there is screwing things up
17:32:12 <normo> Right. I loaded them in python using `yaml` and those were the problems. Also when parsing the funds, it's hard to get the format - It differs from just a number to 'XMR 5' and '5 XMR' and percentages... Let's see how far I will go with that.
17:32:16 <normo> Thank you.
17:33:19 <dsc_> rehrar: sorry I can't hear you over the sound of me drinking pina colada on a tropical island funded by the community
17:34:17 <normo> I have an account with gitlab now. But I cannot fork the project, the button is grayed out.
17:34:44 <sarang> Did you use GitHub credentials to create the account?
17:34:50 <sarang> IIRC there's some weird issue with that
17:34:51 <rehrar> normo: this has been going on for a while. You probably used Github to sign in
17:34:55 <rehrar> you have to make an account with email
17:35:07 <normo> That's what I do. Ok.
17:35:17 <normo> Thanks.
17:35:25 <sarang> rehrar: any way to edit the login page to warn about that?
17:35:28 <ErCiccione[m]> mooo can manually unlock the account
17:35:38 <sarang> Oh that's right
17:35:52 <sarang> mooo is not in this channel now
17:37:42 <normo> I deleted the account and created a new one.
17:38:26 <sarang> Can you fork now?
17:38:35 <normo> Yes, now it is working.
17:58:11 <dsc_> before someone thinks this is me: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/io9una/threat_to_privacy_to_all_monero_wallets_devs/
17:58:12 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Threat to privacy to ALL Monero wallets DEVS please (self.Monero) | 8 points (91.0%) | 2 comments | Posted by threat2privacy | Created at 2020-09-07 - 15:48:04
17:58:14 <dsc_> its not
18:36:25 <normo> I have another question: I can work with the repo (git) using https, but git is not working. I mean, ssh -T git⊙rgo is not connecting. Is it my ssh key, is it the port or is it me? :)
18:36:55 <sarang> SSH operations aren't supported on that server
18:37:01 <sarang> apparently due to cloudflare or some such entity
18:37:28 <sarang> You need to use password auth
18:38:41 <normo> At least an explanation, no rabbit hole, thanks a lot ;)
18:44:35 <sarang> SSH support has definitely been requested before!
18:44:59 <sarang> But apparently it's out of the maintainers' hands AIUI
18:45:11 <sarang> (I am not the maintainer, FWIW)
18:45:11 <asy> .jimbell buttflare
18:45:11 <monerobux> asy has opened an assassination futures market predicting the impending demise of buttflare.
18:46:06 <sarang> and apparently moving from GitLab to GitHub is possible, but you'd lose all the merge request comments and updates :(
18:46:22 <sarang> but someone like rehrar knows more about that than I do
18:49:48 <rehrar> I mean....it may be possible to try to export all of that and put it on some sort of archival CCS section
18:49:50 <rehrar> and then go Github
18:53:59 <sarang> I like the convenience that GitHub could provide, but then you lose the distributed nature of the updates
19:05:11 <Inge-> dsc_: I would expect you to be much more eloquent about it :P
19:09:39 <dsc_> Inge-: I will do that after release tho
19:09:44 <dsc_> totally burned out by then
19:09:46 <dsc_> lmao
22:18:01 <selsta> sethsimmons: ping
22:18:21 <selsta> multiple things can be updated here: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/500
22:52:30 <selsta> do we have a name for v0.17? nitrogen ??
22:52:34 <selsta> oxygen*
23:03:33 <niocbrrrrrr> oxygen oort
23:03:58 <niocbrrrrrr> ogma
23:09:13 <jwinterm> not orion?
23:16:30 <niocbrrrrrr> knew I was forgetting an obvious one
23:38:43 <sethsimmons> <selsta "multiple things can be updated h"> Let me know what or leave a comment there and I’ll update it tonight!