16:25:20 <rehrar> msvb-web: I'm around for when we're ready. :)
16:25:28 <rehrar> ArticMine: reminder of a gray hat meeting here soon.
17:01:00 <msvb-fab> Hello.
17:01:22 <msvb-fab> If anyone is here for the Monero Village at Grayhat meeting, we can begin.
17:01:29 <msvb-fab> 1) Introductions.
17:02:11 <intj440> hello
17:02:31 <msvb-fab> Our agenda is at https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/meet-1/
17:04:42 <msvb-fab> I think nobody is here for the meeting? This happened yesterday as well, but there may have been a netsplit which caused problems.
17:05:02 <msvb-fab> Or there is some holiday, I'm not sure. What do you think we should do intj440?
17:05:26 <sethsimmons> It’s a US holiday weekend, FWIW
17:05:35 <rehrar> I'm here.
17:06:10 <rehrar> Let's at least have a small meeting of the minds. Doesn't have to be big. But to get us started.
17:06:23 <intj440> sounds good rehrar
17:06:37 <rehrar> Go ahead and run the meeting msvb-fab
17:06:53 <msvb-fab> Yes good, and if we want we can have a section at next week's community meeting in case it is a holiday problem.
17:07:02 <rehrar> I'll add it.
17:07:10 <msvb-fab> 2) Grayhat review.
17:07:51 <msvb-fab> We were officially accepted, and I guess we will be asked to give a logo soon(because there are a lot of village logos on their website.)
17:08:36 <msvb-fab> The CFPs are finishing. That's what I see and hear.
17:08:43 <msvb-fab> Any questions?
17:09:03 <rehrar> where is the list of villages?
17:09:15 <intj440> the Greyhat website mentions villages and havens... which are we, and is there a difference?
17:10:04 <msvb-fab> Where is the text haven?
17:10:29 <msvb-fab> Oh I see it in the CFV proposal form.
17:10:35 <rehrar> here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdlSzEYxf9-gH452ZTFCKAq9mHn47L626XNvXeAyffzyzsGUw/viewform
17:10:36 <rehrar> yeah
17:10:38 <msvb-fab> I'm not sure what a haven is.
17:10:59 <rehrar> where are the village logos on their website?
17:11:12 <msvb-fab> We were requested to participate in the same form as our Defcon village, and the other icons listed on the website are villages as well.
17:11:26 <msvb-fab> They are CSS transform graphics that animate, do you see the logos?
17:11:40 <rehrar> AH! I see.
17:12:39 <rehrar> I'll just reuse from our current site I guess.
17:13:10 <msvb-fab> Yes, as soon as we are asked we can use the regular logo.
17:13:16 <msvb-fab> 3) Secretary.
17:13:35 <msvb-fab> If we want to have roles and responsibilities as usual, then we can organise those here:
17:13:42 <msvb-fab> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/us/1/
17:14:03 <msvb-fab> It will be more clear maybe after having a meeting with no holiday.
17:14:10 <rehrar> yeah
17:14:12 <rehrar> let's move on for now
17:14:25 <msvb-fab> 4) CFP (xmrscott)
17:14:27 <msvb-fab> He is not here.
17:14:36 <msvb-fab> 5) Website (rehrar)
17:14:50 <rehrar> Do the other villages have websites for grayhat?
17:15:05 <rehrar> Is grayhat offering a place on their site for village schedules? I'm guessing not by the looks of it.
17:15:25 <msvb-fab> Most villages have a 'upcoming events' section where they put things like 'appearaing at Grayhat' but I have not looked.
17:15:48 <msvb-fab> I think they will publish on the main Grayhat site whatever schedule we and other villages give them, yes.
17:16:25 <msvb-fab> Do you think our Defcon village specific website should be made generic to support other village appearances rehrar?
17:16:33 <rehrar> I guess it wouldn't be too difficult to modify the Monero Village website to apply to more conferences.
17:16:56 <rehrar> It can have a historical catalogue of the other villages we've done also (which is the past years of Defcon).
17:18:24 <rehrar> dude, I'm looking at the village websites (IOT village, hacking village)
17:18:27 <msvb-fab> Yes, those are good ideas. But it requires work and looks quite good as it is.
17:18:34 <rehrar> they don't have mention of grayhat yet. But they all have so many sponsors.
17:18:51 <rehrar> Why did we get crap for having a couple of sponsors a couple years back?
17:18:59 <rehrar> meh. I won't dwell on that too much.
17:19:11 <rehrar> msvb-fab: I'm happy to do the work, and I'll keep the theme and stuff consistent. No worries.
17:19:16 <rehrar> It'll still look great.
17:19:19 <msvb-fab> Yes, those are good questions. As well as the one nobody is asking like what is this with a big sponsor program everywhere.
17:20:37 <msvb-fab> We still have the idea on the books to join the others in seeking sponsorship, which is what the 'rewards' item is in the agenda.
17:20:59 <rehrar> well, it may be because we're a new village and still kind of establishing ourselves. Keeping up the super anti-corporate image for a while would be beneficial. When we are a little more entrenched as a staple in the conference, we can maybe take a few bolder moves.
17:21:07 <msvb-fab> The idea is to see if more of the 10K community participate if there are rewards from sponsors. Which is kind of a not so nice idea, but it is experimental.
17:21:33 <msvb-fab> Sounds good rehrar, so we're done with the website part of the meeting?
17:21:46 <rehrar> I'd be against this. I think we'd see a rise mediocre content as people work on things just for the reward.
17:21:52 <rehrar> msvb-fab: ye. Website is done.
17:22:06 <msvb-fab> 6) operations, 7) outreach, 8)  communications are all absent.
17:22:23 <rehrar> that's fine
17:22:26 <rehrar> a few questions, if I may
17:22:31 <rehrar> they haven't set any deadlines for us yet have they?
17:22:58 <msvb-fab> We had one deadline so far, to enter the proposal before Friday.
17:23:17 <msvb-fab> Other activities they expect are organising content, but there is no deadline for publishing a schedule.
17:23:31 <rehrar> Cool.
17:23:56 <rehrar> needmoney90 made a great CTF type game for an EAE attack that came out at the  last second for Defcon. I think it came out juuuuust a bit too late for us to get the word out for it.
17:23:59 <msvb-fab> The person who announced our acceptance gave me very few answers to the questions I knew some of us would pose.
17:24:11 <rehrar> But we can recycle it and maybe expand on it for Grayhat maybe.
17:24:24 <msvb-fab> They said it will be self serve for each village to do as they please. So if we want IRC instead of Discord we just need to publish that.
17:24:46 <rehrar> Interesting.
17:24:47 <msvb-fab> Yes rehrar, I already asked needmoney for that and he responded with the URL.
17:24:57 <rehrar> msvb-fab: I'll speak further with him about it.
17:25:20 <msvb-fab> The general idea is to find the things we didn't finish in time for Defcon and try to finish them for Grayhat (because most are 95% or even 100% done.)
17:25:40 <msvb-fab> I' quite hopeful that we get the tippero running on Discord, for example.
17:26:00 <rehrar> who is responsible for the tippero bot?
17:26:16 <msvb-fab> ajs-mob.
17:26:40 <msvb-fab> But I think another person (that he found) who wrote the code is quite active in promoting and supporting it for our village use.
17:26:42 <rehrar> Cool. Is there a place on the taiga with some ideas for some workshops or other things we'd "like to have"?
17:26:51 <rehrar> I can see if I can't track down some talent to get those things accomplished.
17:28:11 <msvb-fab> Yes.
17:28:34 <msvb-fab> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/us/3/
17:28:57 <msvb-fab> Also intj440 can add ideas there, including a presentation he may want to give?
17:29:34 <msvb-fab> The task is set up to be our self serve presentation buffet if we don't have a CFP coordinator.
17:30:04 <rehrar> Probably best to do it that way for now.
17:30:15 <rehrar> If we get a huge influx of contributors that requires coordination, we can revisit to the coordinator position
17:30:37 <rehrar> but it seems to be a handful of people at the moment. Probably best to just post the things you'll be responsible for and do them.
17:31:49 <msvb-fab> Yes, so self serve I guess.
17:32:05 <rehrar> Alright. No further questions at present then.
17:32:06 <msvb-fab> 10) Subprojects.
17:32:25 <msvb-fab> We already mentioned the general idea of finishing projects that we didn't complete for Defcon.
17:32:36 <msvb-fab> Tippero or Badge applications for example.
17:33:04 <msvb-fab> That depends if we can motivate people who are capable enough to be creative (with Python, greek language, artwork, etcetera.)
17:33:40 <msvb-fab> Any ideas on this sethsimmons?
17:34:45 <msvb-fab> Or intj440?
17:35:32 <rehrar> Put the 'nice to haves' on that page, and I'll see what I can do also.
17:35:42 <msvb-fab> There may be content or ideas to apply at Grayhat from HCPP which is a conference in Prague that takes place about 3 1/2 weeks earlier than Grayhat.
17:35:43 <rehrar> Maybe alongside the thing, put what kind of skills would be needed to implement.
17:36:45 <msvb-fab> I kind of understand your request rehrar, but I wanted that story to be a collaborative one that each person adds several ideas and actually pledges to do one.
17:37:02 <msvb-fab> It's still okay however, if I put ideas there and you try to find people to do them.
17:37:27 <rehrar> msvb-fab: unfortunately we don't have the luxury of an overabundance of volunteers
17:37:32 <msvb-fab> Maybe we will get more collaboration after mentioning a few ideas at next week's community meeting, what do you think rehrar?
17:37:37 <rehrar> I'm just trying to be practical about it, but we can do it however you think is best.
17:37:50 <rehrar> Yes, we can see how things look next Saturday after the meeting.
17:38:29 <msvb-fab> Okay. Shall we conclude the meeting early? Our next meeting is already set for in two weeks.
17:38:55 <rehrar> sure. Sounds good to me.
17:39:27 <msvb-fab> Can you copy these lines from IRC to the meeting minutes section in Taiga rehrar? I'm on a public computer so can't take the text with me.
17:39:29 <msvb-fab> https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-grayhat/wiki/meet-1/
17:39:39 <rehrar> sure
17:39:43 <msvb-fab> Thank you.
17:40:15 <msvb-fab> That concludes the first meeting of Monero Village at Grayhat, with sethsimmons, intj440, rehrar, and msvb.
17:40:23 <msvb-fab> Thanks for coming, and see you in one or two weeks.