06:59:49 <kayront> posted this on #monero, doing the same here for completeness. check out the last section https://www.coincenter.org/do-anti-encryption-bills-in-congress-pose-a-risk-to-cryptocurrency/
08:23:39 <Mumuks[m]> kayront: not related to monero but to me it seems they are trying to legalize what they are already doing, just like they did with the NSA
08:30:58 <kayront> not quite. today it's still possible to pay cash (be anonymous), although depending on the country there are mandatory reporting rules beyond certain (sometimes ridiculously low) thresholds
08:31:37 <kayront> if this escalates to the point of even merchants not being legally allowed to accept anonymous digital cash, then that's one step beyond what we have today; the logical conclusion to the war on cash
08:32:21 <kayront> it's bad enough already if the exchanges are forced to discriminate between hosted/unhosted wallet (and in the case of monero, how could they?), targeting merchants would be .. problematic
08:36:29 <kayront> this is basically, as far as I can see, the globalist establishment attempting to put crypto in the same surveillance matrix that fiat has already fallen to for a couple of decades. in the tyrant's mind the ends justify the means, and you can be sure this is exactly the same twisted logic that has caused a resurgence of anti-encryption sentiment -- after all, if you can't monitor and record everything that everyone does, how can you be
08:36:29 <kayront> sure any single person is not engaged in haaayte speech, plotting to overthrow the government, or a pedobear in the makings?
08:44:10 <Mumuks[m]> kayront: I was talking about the other bills, the ones that don't affect monero
08:44:47 <kayront> ah
08:45:02 <kayront> yes, those are concerning too (further erode the concept of privacy, normalization of surveillance etc)
08:45:19 <kayront> but the last section is by far the most relevant for monroe i think
08:53:30 <Mumuks[m]> It is, that's why I said it was not related to monero
08:54:29 <Mumuks[m]> The world is getting scary. China is full on crypto fascist, and the USA is doing a lite version but on the low
08:55:05 <Mumuks[m]> I guess it is inevitable they try since the technology is there, but people seems not to care
08:57:10 <kayront> yes. there's a lot of fishy stuff going on
08:57:30 <kayront> and everyone is busy fighting each other (divide and conquer), perhaps by coincidence, perhaps not
08:58:02 <kayront> seems very clear to me where this is all going unless the trend is reversed somehow
10:21:17 <Mumuks[m]> <kayront "and everyone is busy fighting ea"> Yes. It is a shame that Trump, while having a hard on against the elite pedophiles, is so bad on privacy
10:21:52 <Mumuks[m]> It seems no matter what you vote in the west you are fucked when it comes to privacy
11:04:42 <kayront> Mumuks[m]: it would appear that way. even the EU is highly schizophrenic on the topic, ostensibly caring about people's privacy with GDPR, but then doing a complete 180º and offering little protection against government abuses of privacy
11:05:37 <kayront> there are certain things in society that no reputable politician would even try to defend, seems to me mass invasions of people's privacy ought to become one of them. but how to go from here to there, i dunno
11:07:30 <Mumuks[m]> <kayront "Mumuks: it would appear that way"> IMO the only reason the EU got a half decent law in the GDPR is because social networks are from the USA so they wanted to cut their power a bit.
11:07:41 <kayront> meanwhile we watch as 5 eye countries basically assert that you have zero rights when it comes to be left alone from intelligence agencies, fatf pontificating about banning private transactions (that is at least what I take from the article linked before, someone feel free to correct my perception), etc
11:07:58 <Mumuks[m]> If the social network companies were European the GDPR would not have happened
11:08:30 <Mumuks[m]> Yes, it is worrying what they are proposing
11:08:59 <kayront> and even more worrying that almost no one seems to care
11:09:58 <kayront> to say nothing of puzzling, just read some history lol, it doesn't end well
11:10:04 <kayront> and very much less so with our modern technology
11:20:50 <midipoet> needmoney90: HN as in Hacker News? Oh was that shared/discredited a while ago or something?
11:37:11 <kayront> https://intervasp.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/IVMS101-interVASP-data-model-standard-issue-1-FINAL.pdf -- start on page 16, juicy
12:02:45 <sethsimmons> TIL I’m a “prominent cypherpunk” and the “leader of the Monero community”: https://cryptocomes.com/news/monero-xmr-to-release-new-whitepaper-why-may-it-be-crucial-for-xmr
12:02:53 <sethsimmons> 😂
12:03:47 * asymptotically bows down to leader sethsimmons 
12:05:11 <sethsimmons> I also learned that sharing messages from a public TG group is “leaking”
12:05:29 <sethsimmons> Other than that though it honestly wasn’t a terrible article
12:29:10 <fluffypony> SECRET MESSAGES FROM PUBLIC TELEGRAM GROUPS ARE LEAKING
12:44:09 <Mumuks[m]> kayront: my science fiction hope is that quantic computers in mass comes and we can do wireless quantic communications from any point to any point. That would be a decentralized dream.
13:07:19 <dsc_> journalism at its finest
13:12:26 <sech1> All hail to our dear leader sethsimmons!
13:13:14 <sarang> From one of the CLSAG reviewers: https://mobile.twitter.com/veorq/status/1289688599470825472
14:14:51 <Inge-> doesn't xmrchain.net have a tx push ability?
14:15:08 <Inge-> found it
14:55:40 <gingeropolous> sethsimmons, congratulations!
14:57:45 <gingeropolous> i remember when I was anointed as a monero dev by the bitcointalk trolls
14:57:53 <gingeropolous> anointed a or anointed as a
14:59:07 <sethsimmons> 😂
15:11:04 <Inge-> I guess they don't have enough DeFi to write about. Or maybe they just don't understand it well enough to write about it? This is basically a preannouncement of an announcement for the publication of a paper ...
15:13:09 <Inge-> "As covered recently by CryptoComes, Monero (XMR) was endorsed by the masterminds behind the recent monstrous Twitter hack."
15:13:12 <Inge-> uh-huh.
15:13:16 <Inge-> *facepalm*
15:20:57 <sgp_> um wut
15:21:07 <sgp_> was it that bitcoin address thing?
15:22:53 <Inge-> yeah
15:23:11 <sgp_> lol, dumb media
15:23:25 <Inge-> Apparently, if I understand this articles take, the hacker was talking to themselves, recommending they use Monero ...
15:23:36 <sgp_> seems legit
15:23:38 <Inge-> Which makes about as much sense as a lot of other things happening in this space I guess.
15:39:22 <xmrscott[m]> Journalism in this 'industry' never fails to disappoint
15:53:51 <Mumuks[m]> <xmrscott[m] "Journalism in this 'industry' ne"> We should just stop pretending and call it propaganda
15:58:26 <niocbrrrrrr> bait
16:01:12 -xmr-pr- [meta] SarangNoether opened issue #496: Research meeting: 5 August 2020 @ 17:00 UTC
16:01:12 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/496
16:18:02 <sgp_> I'm working on formalizing the goals/leadership/organization of this workgroup. Diego, Doug, and I will discuss internally and then share updated when we have them. This will allow the workgroup to grow and better support this community
16:21:40 <sethsimmons> Looking forward to that 🙂
17:35:19 <kayront> sethsimmons, aka fluffy the 2nd!
17:35:21 <kayront> all hail
17:35:25 <sethsimmons> XD
17:35:33 <kayront> careful in the boat
17:35:46 <kayront> something about monroe and boats, a voodoo curse
17:36:01 <sethsimmons> I just got a boat...
17:36:05 <sethsimmons> May my keys RIP
17:36:25 <xmrscott[m]> Or just Big Boat is out to get Monero community members
17:36:35 <sethsimmons> Big Boat LMAO
17:37:08 <kayront> lol the montero cruise
17:37:15 <kayront> sorry FATF!
17:50:56 <Inge-> cool. Openpriv gets donations mainly in zec, btc and xmr https://twitter.com/OpenPriv/status/1290335356856934400
17:53:46 <kinghat[m]> 😂 https://youtu.be/3Xp_sggekrE
18:00:45 <sethsimmons> so good lol
18:16:46 <kayront> is ledger app working fine with v0.16 now? i seem to recall some issues
18:16:52 <kayront> is it worth upgrading daemon/wallet to 16?
18:17:06 <kayront> faster? prettier? free monroes on upgrade?
18:19:18 <dEBRUYNE> Dandelion++ is integrated, so there's that
18:19:51 <sethsimmons> Ledger works fine since the last point release