05:16:21 <fluffypony> dsc_: how do you know I'm not currently GPT-3?
06:20:58 <Guest49387> :P
09:42:49 <Guest49387> dEBRUYNE or other mods. Automod just blocked a post of mine
09:42:57 <Guest49387> ^ reddit mods
09:43:02 <Guest49387> please unlok :)
09:46:26 <Guest49387> *unlock
09:47:09 <Guest49387> this is the post btw: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/hxk2bl/i_dont_want_monero_to_be_listed_on_coinbase/?
09:47:09 <monerobux> [REDDIT] I don't want Monero to be listed on Coinbase (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-07-25 - 09:36:51
10:02:57 <Guest49387> Ah nevermind, i have to go now. I delete it and will repost it later this evening
10:53:41 <dEBRUYNE> Guest49387: Best to also send a message to modmail afterwards in case it gets stuck in the automod queue
11:00:42 <Guest49387> Understood, thanks. I pinged you because i guessed this was more your timezone :)
11:05:23 <Mumuks[m]> <Guest49387 "this is the post btw: https://ww"> That sounds like "you don't fire me, I quit" syndrome
11:14:38 <dEBRUYNE> Guest49387: Would you mind sending me the post by the way? Curious to read it :p
11:17:10 <msvb-lab> Monero Village at Defcon meeting is today at 18:00 UTC on #monero-defcon.
11:30:37 -xmr-pr- [meta] michaesc opened issue #493: Monero Village Meeting: 25 July 2020, 18:00 UTC
11:30:38 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/493
11:51:44 <Guest49387> dEBRUYNE: will repost it shortly, i'm on mobile now
11:55:18 <Guest49387> Mumuks: are you judging the post only by the title?
12:20:05 <Guest49387> dEBRUYNE: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/hxlthn/i_dont_want_monero_to_be_listed_on_coinbase/?
12:20:05 <monerobux> [REDDIT] I don't want Monero to be listed on Coinbase (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-07-25 - 12:19:50
12:21:59 <Guest49387> I will have to leave again soon, but in the meantime the post is up. It's nothing special tho, simply my opinion about the recent coinbase-related hype.
12:35:15 <Mumuks[m]> <Guest49387 "Mumuks: are you judging the post"> Yes
12:35:42 <Mumuks[m]> In this case the content is gone, but in general I always only judge by the title, saves time
12:36:26 <Guest49387> ...
12:41:43 <Guest49387> Well, i really don't know how you can make an opinion about something only reading the title. That's just lazy and will surely lead you to wrong conclusions.
12:42:28 <sethsimmons> Responded there, ErCiccione
12:42:56 <sethsimmons> I definitely have a looser hatred of Coinbase than most, it seems, and have nothing against them listing Monero.
12:43:47 <sethsimmons> It’s a permissionless system, we have to build Monero into a tool that does everything possible to grant even Coinbase users the most privacy and best digital cash once they withdraw, and push people to better solutions/preach “not your keys not your coins”.
12:44:20 <Adreik> I find coinbase fees to be fairly high
12:44:43 <Adreik> From what I remember of it
12:45:35 <sethsimmons> Yup, there is literally nothing compelling about them other than their position as a common on boarding for new people to the space as a whole.
12:48:06 <Guest49387> I think my point is being missed. I'm aware of the fact we cannot and don't want to avoid people listing Monero
12:48:36 <Guest49387> i just find the hype about the Coinbase possible future adoption quite disappointing
12:48:46 <Guest49387> but i answered you in the post sethsimmons
12:49:10 <sethsimmons> Thanks.
12:49:38 <sethsimmons> I in no way want people to use them, but I still wanted clarity around why they don’t list it, as I hear very often that regulatory risk is a huge stopping point for many people
12:49:48 <sethsimmons> And Coinbase is often provided as the source for that worry
12:50:21 <Guest49387> As i said in the post, i'm just happy if they don't list it.
12:50:36 <Guest49387> I know it's probably not a popular opinion
12:51:15 <Guest49387> but personally i fear that with the community getting bigger, we are losing a bit the cypherpunk vibe there was initially
12:51:20 <Guest49387> which is expected
12:51:35 <Guest49387> i just wanted my opinion to be out there :)
12:55:42 <sethsimmons> Thanks for sharing, seriously!
12:56:09 <sethsimmons> I wasn’t surprised to see that many who commented in favor of a listing in that thread are names I’m not used to seeing around here or Reddit normally.
12:56:35 <sethsimmons> I often forget that there are still a ton of silent speculators lurking on Reddit etc.
12:58:15 <Guest49387> Yeah. Let's not deny to ourselves that even if Monero's community is usually of higher quality than other currencies, most of the poeple in this environment just want their bags to have bigger value :P
12:59:22 <Guest49387> I have to leave again, will be back in few hours.
12:59:45 <sethsimmons> <Guest49387 "Yeah. Let's not deny to ourselve"> Sadly true 😅
13:00:33 <sech1> Reverse psychology. As soon as the whole Monero community stands up and says "we don't want Coinbase", they'll list it immediately.
13:01:19 <Guest49387> lol
13:07:24 <Mumuks[m]> <Guest49387 "Well, i really don't know how yo"> I'm not lazy, I'm effort adverse
13:16:42 <sgp_> Reminder that there is a coffee chat in ~3.75 hours
13:17:01 <sethsimmons> Sadly I have to miss again 🙁
13:17:12 <sethsimmons> Family always getting in the way
13:23:21 <sgp_> rehrar ArticMine binaryFate fluffypony gingeropolous hyc Snipa xmrscott[m] jwinterm sarang ^
13:45:23 <netrik182[m]> luigi1111w DMed
13:45:23 <dsc_> I'm running a stagenet node on the internet, and in the daemon logs I can see myself getting banned `Host xxx blocked.` - how can I prevent this? I'm doing wallet dev :P
14:10:23 * sethsimmons sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/WmfzHsaGehtzboSynjFUcbuS >
14:10:37 <sethsimmons> Figured I’d share those in case I couldn’t join :)
14:28:34 <sgp_> sethsimmons: I'll tweet out an hour before with the YT link
14:28:49 <sgp_> Thanks for the topics, makes my life super ez :)
14:29:25 <jwinterm> I'm gonna skip too, gotta go make a barolo delivery
14:30:44 <sethsimmons> Figured I’d be helpful if I can’t make it :)
14:32:18 * sethsimmons sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/KLvpzXaxsWgbrspKJPblIauL >
15:01:39 <Snipa> I might auctually be awake for this one.
15:02:06 <dsc_> !etacoffee
15:02:27 <Snipa> ~2 hours if I don't miss my mark.
15:06:45 <dsc_> gingeropolous: https://stagenet.xmrchain.net/ <== still on 0.15.0.1 daemon - not sure to what extend that matters
15:11:12 <sgp_> Snipa: excellent :)
15:11:19 <sgp_> Yeah just under 2 hours from now
15:16:28 <gingeropolous> sorry id do much better with a 11 pm est beer chat
15:34:58 <lurkinandlearnin> test
15:34:58 <monerobux> Test failed
16:41:33 <sgp_> rehrar ArticMine binaryFate fluffypony gingeropolous hyc Snipa xmrscott[m] jwinterm needmoney90 sarang: Can you join for the coffee chat in 20?
16:41:59 <needmoney90> I'm in the shower now in prep
16:42:02 <needmoney90> So yes
16:42:02 <sarang> Unfortunately I cannot
16:42:06 <needmoney90> Nooo
16:43:49 <rehrar> I may join a bit late.
16:43:55 <rehrar> Putting up fence but almost done.
16:45:24 <sgp_> Good fences make good neighbors
16:56:36 <sgp_> coffee chat in 5: https://youtu.be/JQVm3TlO0kI
16:56:40 <sgp_> DM if you can join
16:59:11 <sgp_> it's just needmoney90 and me, can anyone else join?
16:59:33 <needmoney90> isthmus
16:59:35 <needmoney90> dont be lazy
17:02:06 <ArticMine> url pw?
17:02:31 <ArticMine> sgp_ ^
17:02:54 <needmoney90> Articmine see PMs
17:16:57 <rehrar> Coming
17:19:04 <niocbrrrrrr> write down your creation date and height
18:02:53 <needmoney90> thx for hosting sgp_
18:03:26 <sgp_> I tried to make this one more fun
18:03:57 <Snipa> Yay.  Finally made it. :D
18:04:10 <Snipa> Upside to overnights, I can auctually attend Monero things.
18:04:18 <johnzzzzz> damn, missed it :(
18:06:08 <dsc_> +1 restore height in seed
18:07:03 <niocbrrrrrr> also put seed in the seed
18:08:13 <sgp_> include SSN in seed just in case
18:08:16 <niocbrrrrrr> dsc that would make the seed 26 words long so we need a shorter seed to restore that long seed
18:13:36 <needmoney90> Just increase the dict size
18:27:20 <dsc_> niocbrrrrrr: i have a better idea regarding this
18:27:30 <dsc_> but now is not the time
18:27:32 <dsc_> to discuss
18:27:33 <dsc_> :D
18:28:13 <niocbrrrrrr> !tip dsc_ 1 seed
18:29:39 <xmrscott[m]> Apologies on missing coffee; life stuff
19:41:20 <rbrunner> dsc_: Regarding seeds, while you were away (?): https://github.com/monero-project/monero/issues/6639   https://github.com/tevador/monero-seed
19:45:01 <dsc_> rbrunner: yes I am aware :)
19:45:13 <dsc_> would love to see it go in
19:45:16 <rbrunner> Alright then, just wasn't sure
19:45:39 <rbrunner> Yeah, the topic "fell back to sleep" a little
19:46:06 <rbrunner> Maybe also no chance to move something until we get the next hardfork out of the door
21:28:50 <xmrscott[m]> Looks like technically the Hope talks will be free after all so anyone should be able to watch Gibson's talk on tips for mastodo n/ plerom a ops w/o paying for a con ticket after all https://twitter.com/2600/status/1286976769954914308
21:34:22 <sethsimmons> Nice, thanks for sharing!
21:54:41 <xmrpow> Have there been any thoughts about adapting sth like the dao from decred into monero?
23:13:17 <sethsimmons> Not seriously, it’s not an easy integration ATM as Decred relies on time-locked PoS tickets to handle voting on proposals.
23:14:27 <sethsimmons> I know some within Decred are exploring some type of DAO-as-a-service to help other chains integrate into their DAO, but no firm roadmap etc.
23:15:12 <sethsimmons> Without some sort of time-lock there would be many ways to game the system, so a lot of changes would likely have to happen for Monero to support a system like they use, and the CCS has been great so far for Monero!
23:15:32 <sethsimmons> But never hurts to stay open and keep learning about options to help governance as Monero grows, IMO 🙂
23:16:48 <xmrpow> I kind of like the dao because it would kind of reduce the fork mania in the crypto space
23:17:44 <sethsimmons> Yeah, could definitely see something like it being helpful in the future once “rough consensus” gets more difficult in the future.
23:18:28 <sethsimmons> But it’s much more complex to integrate something like that into a privacy-preserving system like Monero, as I’m not sure if amount commitments could work well with a coin-weighted voting system.
23:19:06 <xmrpow> I think especially when things are growing it is getting more difficult to get some decent consensus
23:19:19 <sethsimmons> For sure!
23:19:37 <sethsimmons> I personally would be super interested in a cross-chain way to vote/find consensus.
23:19:51 <sethsimmons> And I do love how Decred handles votes/funding/hard forks
23:19:57 <xmrpow> Mabe they are going to find a way.
23:19:59 <sethsimmons> Very clean and with clear signaling.
23:20:01 <xmrpow> Would be cool
23:20:31 <xmrpow> Arent you the guy who looked into haven?
23:20:37 <sethsimmons> I’m in touch with some of their community trying to do exactly what I’m talking about 🙂
23:20:37 <sethsimmons> If there’s progress or promise I’ll be sure to share, but it’s still very far off.
23:20:50 <sethsimmons> <xmrpow "Arent you the guy who looked int"> Yeah I am
23:21:15 <xmrpow> Do you know if they are planing to implement randomx?
23:21:39 <sethsimmons> Haven’t heard anything about their PoW yet, don’t think that’s top of their list ATM
23:22:26 <sethsimmons> But I’m not intimately involved in their community, so not really sure.
23:22:33 <xmrpow> If there’s progress or promise I’ll be sure to share, but it’s still very far off. -> Would be nice.
23:22:59 <xmrpow> Haven could be very cool if there would be the chainlink thing...
23:23:05 <xmrpow> wouldnt
23:23:33 <sethsimmons> Yeah, but so far no one has figured out the Oracle Problem, so it’s a necessary weak link (heh) at the moment
23:23:45 <sethsimmons> But hopeful for future solutions to help resolve that
23:24:03 <xmrpow> There is no other solution in the space to solve that problem?
23:24:08 <sethsimmons> There has to be some oracle involved
23:24:40 <sethsimmons> I don’t have a deep understanding of how Chainlink works/it’s pros/cons though
23:24:48 <sethsimmons> But many projects use them so far
23:25:11 <xmrpow> As far as I know its an ERC 20 token and that s somehow enough ;)
23:25:12 <sethsimmons> Lots of projects like Chainlink claiming to have solved the oracle problem
23:25:18 <sethsimmons> Yeah lol
23:26:59 <xmrpow> All these tokens are bound to eth and this somehow frightens me.
23:27:41 <sethsimmons> Yup 🙂 And recently the value of tokens surpassed that of Eth, certainly some weird security concerns becoming apparent.
23:27:51 <sethsimmons> Not to mention total reliance on another chain is... scary
23:28:45 <xmrpow> I would not mind that much if the base would be solid...
23:29:05 <sethsimmons> And not massively pre-mined/moving to PoS 😉
23:29:23 <sethsimmons> Not to mention it’s already practically unusable for most people due to cost
23:29:23 <xmrpow> If they are ever going to launch that ;)
23:29:52 <xmrpow> What is there current blockchain size?
23:30:00 <xmrpow> *their
23:31:30 <xmrpow> hmm 289 gb...
23:31:50 <xmrpow> Not that bad for their scale.
23:35:00 <xmrpow> Are there some estimates about Moneros blockchain size when it would get to the scale of btc?
23:35:49 <xmrpow> Wasnt it 2x or 3x bigger than btc?
23:58:30 <sethsimmons> An Ethereum full node is well over 1TB
23:58:48 <sethsimmons> They just sell a pruned node as full, and say a full node is an “archival node”
23:59:51 <sethsimmons> If every Bitcoin user uses Bitcoin with privacy like Samourai, Bitcoin would actually have a larger blockchain on disk per my calculations
23:59:59 <sethsimmons> About 33% larger