00:25:10 <needmoney90> Yeah image auto download is toggleable
00:25:41 <needmoney90> It's not like every other thing that fetches thumbnails does a version of that
03:59:24 <ElenaIncognito> Hey guys, I'm Elena from the Incognito. I've been trying to contact the team over a month. We’ve created a wallet for Monero and lending platform with 9% APY for you. Also we are working on private swap. So users will be able to buy XMR decentralized, without KYC or registration. You already can try it. We cover transactions fee, have an open
03:59:24 <ElenaIncognito> source, you own your keys. I think it is something your need at least look at. I do not ask you to put all your funds on such tool. I do not ask you to trust us. We tried hard and the only thing we ask you about is the feedback to make the product better for you. Who should I contact or what should we do to get such a feedback?
03:59:57 <ElenaIncognito> fluffypony
04:06:23 <scoobybejesus> sounds like it could be neat.  who have you been trying to contact for over a month?  which team?
04:06:50 <ElenaIncognito> The list was on the website
04:06:56 <ElenaIncognito> get.monero
04:08:24 <ElenaIncognito> We also published some threads on the Monero reddit, that's people who support us there and answered.
04:08:49 <ElenaIncognito> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/g0zpvk/how_we_combine_uniswap_compound_privacy_to_build/
04:08:50 <monerobux> [REDDIT] How we combine uniswap + compound + privacy to build DEFI for Monero with 8% APR on XMR (self.Monero) | 27 points (79.0%) | 10 comments | Posted by boogaav | Created at 2020-04-14 - 05:35:37
04:08:50 <ElenaIncognito> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/faqjxg/swap_monero_to_public_coins_btc_eth_usdt_private/
04:08:53 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Swap Monero to public coins (BTC, ETH, USDT) private, with no kyc. Trusted and Trustless setup (long read) (self.Monero) | 22 points (96.0%) | 16 comments | Posted by boogaav | Created at 2020-02-28 - 06:35:57
04:11:31 <ElenaIncognito>  Thanks people*
06:05:46 <fluffypony> every time I try reply to Elena on IRC she's already offline
06:05:51 <fluffypony> :shrug emoji:
12:45:19 <sgp_> It's definitely misleading to call it "DeFi." The Monero is held in a trusted wallet by the Incognito team
12:47:35 <sgp_> I did some research early this week and the details are really light on how the trading engine works
12:49:07 <sgp_> Perhaps most importantly, you done earn Monero, you earn PRV. This is only traded in Incognito, not any exchange, so the internal trading engine kinda sets the price of it? Really it's hard for me to tell
13:41:13 <sgp_> That said, the trading engine seems to be based on Uniswap. I don't know it very well
13:55:04 <Inge-> Brian Armstrong directly addresses Monero listing, on the latest WhatBitcoinDid podcast
13:55:56 <dEBRUYNE> What did he say?
13:57:34 <Inge-> He says that he personally would like to list it, but that they are a bit conservative regarding regulators who are currently getting used to things like Bitcoin while still being on edge regarding (actually working) privacy coins
13:58:05 <dEBRUYNE> Is there a transcript somewhere?
13:58:08 <dEBRUYNE> Would like to see the direct quote :p
13:59:19 <Inge-> also, hacking team aquisition
14:01:01 <dEBRUYNE> What was the relation to Monero?
14:02:05 <Inge-> Hakking Team unrelated to Mo er.
14:02:34 <Inge-> https://www.whatbitcoindid.com/
14:03:30 <dEBRUYNE> Yeah was looking at that page
14:03:36 <dEBRUYNE> Do you have a timestamp for the Monero quote?
14:04:00 <Inge-> From about 1h 27m
14:04:03 <asymptotically> lol at "(actually working) privacy coins"
14:05:11 <Inge-> that was my i seetion
14:05:28 <Inge-> insertion*
14:06:05 <dsc_> intel tanking https://twitter.com/markets/status/1286658524710412288
14:06:13 <Inge-> 1h 29m for the specific quote
14:10:54 <dEBRUYNE> Inge-: Thanks
14:11:03 <dEBRUYNE> That was actually more straight to the point than I thought
14:11:57 <Inge-> I listened to the podcast basically hoping this was adressed
14:12:48 <dEBRUYNE> I can kind of understand where he is coming from
14:12:57 <dEBRUYNE> Will take a bit for regulators properly understand the benefits of privacy coins
14:13:24 <dEBRUYNE> Also, I'd argue it being listed on strongly regulated exchanges gives them more overview
14:19:51 <Inge-> ahaha - even grudging respect from Belcher re. Monero privacy: < belcher_> if the adversary does this regularly they get enough info to break even monero, in certain situations
14:20:09 <sgp_> someone needs to pull out the quotes from that interview and share widely
14:21:13 <sgp_> eg: Brian Armstrong: I personally would like to list [Monero]
14:22:18 <sgp_> Peter McCormack: in some ways, in the world of Bitcoin versus altcoins, Monero is the most credible one that you could add to your listing
14:22:49 <sarang> So it's perception of regulatory risk?
14:24:30 <Inge-> Potentially after talks with regulators. Yes that is my understanding
14:26:02 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: Already posted it on reddit :P
14:26:21 <sgp_> dEBRUYNE: excellent (Mr. Burns meme)
14:27:29 <dEBRUYNE> :D
14:27:40 <dEBRUYNE> I provided the direct link to the question, so people can listen to the quote + the context provided
14:28:33 <dEBRUYNE> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/hx2n0r/brian_armstrong_coinbase_ceo_i_would_personally/
14:28:34 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Brian Armstrong (Coinbase CEO) - 'I would personally like to list it' [Monero] | WhatBitcoinDid (https://youtu.be/U4wLr6vMlSo?t=5328) to r/Monero | 3 points (100.0%) | 2 comments | Posted by dEBRUYNE_1 | Created at 2020-07-24 - 14:22:22
14:38:33 <Inge-> did you also see the quote where Andreas said he uses minero?
14:42:54 <Inge-> In one of his later videos
14:43:27 <dEBRUYNE> That is a separate video right?
14:49:12 <Inge-> Yes
14:50:16 <dEBRUYNE> I think I know what one you are referring to
14:51:11 <Inge-> https://youtu.be/6F-hJZHtn80   <- not this one I think
14:51:20 <Inge-> but this is a good one
14:53:06 <Inge-> I think it might have been the May or June Q&A livestream
15:06:07 <lh1008[m]> Hello everyone. Well, I know I'm usually not here because I'm doing other stuff for the Monero Outreach workgroup but I would like to let everyone know about something. I currently finished my full-stack foundations and my skills are available to the community.
15:06:07 <lh1008[m]> I'm still inside the Monero Outreach Workgroup as the communication coordinator and will keep contributing inside the workgroup as always. This is more as an invitation for the Monero community to extend my services and keep building together. Thank you for your time and reading :). Love you as always.
15:15:44 <Inge-> Andreas on Monero: https://youtu.be/2drAbyWS7yI   18:05
15:17:21 <Inge-> "Monero...  uses a combination of very strong privacy technologies in order to offer a degree of anonymity that is unmatched by button"
15:17:36 <dEBRUYNE> I think he also did a separate vid to address privacy
15:17:51 <Inge-> yes but here he continues:
15:19:43 <Inge-> "I am a very big proponent of strong privacy - which is a fundamental human right. I'm very interested in technologies like Monero - which I use myself"
15:26:41 <dsc_> we are seeing more and more people realizing Monero's benefits
15:26:51 <dsc_> at least that's the feeling I'm getting as of late
15:27:45 <sgp_> lh1008[m]: awesome :)
15:28:15 <sgp_> dsc_: indeed, Monero is being welcomed by the broader BTC community
15:29:04 <sgp_> Some of them have been on Monero Talk, but we also need to invite them to other things like the coffee chats and the Defcon village
15:44:28 <sethsimmons> Thanks guys for sharing that pod!
15:44:41 <sethsimmons> Going to dig through it and pull some quotes/context for Twitter
15:45:08 <sethsimmons> Once we get that regulatory framework, one more FUD point will bite the dust, hopefully...
15:58:56 <lh1008[m]> sgp_ :)
16:00:36 <sethsimmons> lh1008: would converting this to Monero instead of Bitcoin be something you’d be interested in?
16:00:36 <sethsimmons> https://github.com/mempool/mempool
16:01:00 <sethsimmons> I’ve been wanting to do that for some time and would gladly pay in Monero 🙂
16:01:10 <sethsimmons> Feel free to DM me if you want to take this offline
16:05:07 <sgp_> that would be a cool long-term thing to have
16:11:50 <sethsimmons> For sure, especially with ways to display all the unique block scaling in Monero!
16:23:34 <lh1008[m]> sethsimmons I'll take a look at it.
16:39:39 <sgp_> oh you know what I need help with that's quite pressing? A better interface for meme competitions
16:48:52 <sethsimmons> <lh1008[m] "sethsimmons I'll take a look at "> Thanks, let me know if you have any thoughts or questions on it, I have a few ideas for things to add specific to Monero 🙂
16:57:04 <sethsimmons> Any more feedback on the “Upgrade Checklist” would be highly appreciated: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/489
16:59:05 <dEBRUYNE> sethsimmons: There are a few more wallet providers we should add imo
16:59:14 <dEBRUYNE> There's a list here that is, as far as I know, basically complete -> https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/hp7nna/rmonero_weekly_discussion_july_11_2020_use_this/
16:59:26 <sethsimmons> Thanks I’ll add the missing wallets!
17:03:22 <sethsimmons> Done.
17:03:58 <sgp_> this outlines what I want (in a super crude sense) for the meme competition software https://imgur.com/a/Icu3Ayt
17:06:12 <sgp_> it's super difficult for me to juggle all the moving parts while also hosting the stream
17:15:37 -xmr-pr- [meta] SamsungGalaxyPlayer opened issue #492: Coffee Chat: 25 July 2020 17:00 UTC
17:15:38 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/492
18:42:31 <sethsimmons> https://twitter.com/sethisimmons/status/1286733433109176321?s=21
18:42:47 <sethsimmons> Made a transcript of sorts of that section of the pod and shared on Twitter
18:43:21 <sethsimmons> Good to finally get some response from Coinbase on why they don’t list Monero
18:46:47 * sethsimmons uploaded an image: ima_da29e06.jpeg (389KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/MEqWUiVOmWGjJORTcdbMAWHT >
18:46:48 <sethsimmons> Idk if that will come through via the bridge to IRC, but thats a direct upload of the “transcript”
18:49:48 <niocbrrrrrr> test succeeded
18:49:48 <monerobux> Test failed
18:50:16 <needmoney90> Monerobux laying down the law
19:01:17 <sethsimmons> Posted the transcript to the reddit post you made, dEBRUYNE
19:05:05 <sethsimmons> Direct link to transcript: https://i.imgur.com/rtmoA52.jpg
19:47:14 <xmrscott[m]> Let me know if anyone is interested in this. It costs $200 to attend, but I can take sparknotes or something for those who don't want to pay and report back. Having a 'Plan B' option for community discourse via pleroma/mastodon is something that's been of interest to me as of late https://scheduler.hope.net/hope2020/talk/ZEZMR7/
19:48:43 <sethsimmons> $200 for an entire conference, or the one preso?
19:48:57 <sethsimmons> That specific topic sounds interesting, just not sure I want to pay $200 for it haha
19:55:49 <xmrscott[m]> For entire 9 dayish conference
19:57:01 <sethsimmons> Oh wow
19:57:10 <sgp_> https://twitter.com/aantonop/status/1286751105599201280?s=19
19:57:23 <sethsimmons> I’ll look into going as well, but would love any interesting bits if not
19:57:41 <sethsimmons> <sgp_ "https://twitter.com/aantonop/sta"> sgp_: haha, I just asked the same of him yesterday/the day before
19:57:47 <sgp_> Lol
19:58:09 <sethsimmons> He said he was investigating adding it after that, so good to see it seems to actually be happening!
19:58:18 <sgp_> Cool :)
19:58:23 <sethsimmons> He wasn’t aware it was available in BTCPay as an alt.
19:58:36 <sethsimmons> Tag team 😅
19:58:54 <sethsimmons> Tag team adoption 😅
19:59:18 <sgp_> xmrscott[m]: I've made up my mind; let's migrate to monerocommunity.org, and let's set up our own Mastodon with sensible rules
19:59:42 <sgp_> What's pleroma?
20:00:15 <xmrscott[m]> Mastodon, but less dependencies
20:00:43 <xmrscott[m]> Still integrates via activitypub with mastodon and gnu social, etc
20:01:52 <xmrscott[m]> https://fediverse.party/en/pleroma
20:02:23 <asymptotically> blessed BEAM :D
20:02:24 <xmrscott[m]> Awesome to hear! :D
20:02:51 <sgp_> I don't really want to champion this project, but I will support it
20:03:59 <sgp_> That being said, we still need to be where other people are for marketing (eg: Twitter, Facebook, Reddit)
20:04:00 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah no worries, I don't expect you to run ops
20:04:22 <sethsimmons> I’ll be sticking on Twitter/Reddit and probably not very active on Mastodon
20:04:34 <sethsimmons> It’s hard enough keeping up with those and IRC/Matrix
20:04:41 <sethsimmons> But it’s good to have some fallback there.
20:05:52 <sgp_> We currently have a MCW Jitsi, Nextcloud, and Sandstorm instance. I need to make the Nextcloud instance more powerful though
20:06:00 <sethsimmons> Is there any place I can track the status of the regulatory framework?
20:06:00 <xmrscott[m]> Yep yep. I've been meaning to have my other handles just mirror Mastodon. And I've been wanting to push Monero awareness to FOSS communities where Bitcoin has next to no precense for first mover advantage type things
20:06:29 <xmrscott[m]> Fediverse is one, Linux mobile is the other
20:06:35 <sgp_> sethsimmons: I reached out to Tari today. My guess is that they're changing something for the bitlicense now but I have no confirmation of that
20:06:53 <sethsimmons> I’m getting tired of having no answer for regulatory questions lol
20:07:08 <sethsimmons> I’ve been referencing it lately but haven’t heard any real updates in months
20:07:14 <sgp_> Hey, we have that ONE travel rule blog post :p
20:07:35 <sethsimmons> 😋
20:07:54 <sethsimmons> It’s just been a long time coming and seems to always be on the cusp
20:08:01 <sethsimmons> Even just some kind of update would be very welcome
20:08:03 <sgp_> Totally agreed, annoying
20:09:08 <sgp_> Any other resources we need?
20:10:37 <sethsimmons> I don’t even know what Sandstorm is so I’m probably not the best one to answer that 😂
20:20:23 <sgp_> it's a flexible platform that lets you have "apps" like Wekan, Etherpad, etc
20:21:51 <sgp_> Do we need Discourse? Should we switch from Mattermost to Rocket.chat?
20:23:10 <sethsimmons> Why not use Matrix since we already have a community here?
20:23:25 <sethsimmons> Or are you using it for more than chat?
20:23:34 <xmrscott[m]> I personally like Discourse, but I believe Discourse was shot down at some point, I think there were some major cons rehrar found?
20:24:54 <rehrar> It was the worst, yeah.
20:25:37 <rehrar> I was hoping Flarum would come to a good point soon. They're kind of getting there.
20:25:41 <rehrar> I would rather deploy them.
20:27:34 <sgp_> Flarum is more "fun" but it has fewer features
20:27:34 <asymptotically> currently using discourse for the wownero forum. requires js which isn't good, but it's nice to use and integrates with the wow sso system
20:27:52 <sgp_> when MCW SSO
20:28:44 <wowario[m]> https://login.wownero.com/developer/
20:28:44 <needmoney90> How hard would it be to set up an SSO thing based off private keys?
20:29:18 <asymptotically> needmoney90: currently planning to add something to keycloak (what wow uses for sso) to allow people to authenticate with a pgp key or wow wallet address
20:29:21 <needmoney90> https://github.com/bitpay/bitauth
20:29:29 <needmoney90> I looked into bitauth like 5 years back
20:29:37 <needmoney90> before I knew monero existed
20:29:52 <needmoney90> some way of querying a running daemon to log in to your sites would be neat
20:30:40 <needmoney90> Even better would be setting it up in a way that didn't require the site to know
20:30:45 <needmoney90> like a browser extension
20:32:47 <needmoney90> obviously rotating challenge/response is better than fixed passwords
21:08:34 <rehrar> sgp_: to me being pleasurable to use is a feature. ;)
21:10:35 <sgp_> fun is a feature, no question :)
21:11:59 <sgp_> is Flarum more like reddit in how it's discussion-based, not category-based?
21:18:03 <rehrar> Perhaps but they have categorization options.
21:18:11 <dEBRUYNE> sethsimmons: Thanks for the transcript
21:23:08 <rehrar> needmoney90 sgp_ dEBRUYNE
21:23:23 <needmoney90> what did I do this time
21:23:32 <rehrar> You guys are the ogs
21:23:44 <needmoney90> 'og'
21:23:52 <rehrar> Thanks for your years of dedication and work.
21:24:13 <needmoney90> Ask not what Monero can do for you
21:24:16 <needmoney90> ask what you can do for Monero
21:24:57 <needmoney90> Was there something you wanted to discuss or just thanks? :)
21:25:38 <rehrar> Just thanks
21:25:59 <asymptotically> needthanks90
21:28:39 <sgp_> rehrar: I know they do, but in this specific case I kinda like how they all appear in last updated unless you specifically filter; with Discourse, they ask you to filter first iirc
21:28:59 <sgp_> I might be sold on flarum for this use-case because of that haha
21:29:20 <asymptotically> sgp_: discourse can do either :D
21:29:35 <sgp_> well darn :p
21:29:52 <rehrar> Ew you keep using the D word.
21:30:00 <asymptotically> wait is it called discord?
21:30:02 <asymptotically> i always get them mixed up
21:30:18 <sgp_> https://www.discourse.org/
21:30:42 <asymptotically> ok phew thats the one on https://forum.wownero.com/
21:31:08 <rehrar> Siendo SHOULD deploy flarum too and see what they like more.
21:31:26 <rehrar> Wownero*
21:31:47 <rehrar> Also don't know why my phone decided "should" should be in all caps.
21:32:01 <sgp_> rehrar has been advocating for Flarum forever. Let's just pull the trigger
21:32:06 <asymptotically> and you rebranded wownero :
21:32:07 <asymptotically> * :o
21:32:31 <asymptotically> yeah they both seem pretty nice. discord is pretty heavy though, and i dont like how it's deployed
21:33:06 <sgp_> so.... flarum?
21:33:08 <needmoney90> Guys. Defi is big right now. Lets add a thing in the code that just multiplies the displayed amount in your wallet by a rising number, say 5 or 10% a year, and then we can label ourselves a defi coin
21:34:28 <needmoney90> you get passive income for holding monero :D
21:34:38 <asymptotically> needmoney90: https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/dentacoin-calculator-2017-768x383.png
21:34:49 <sgp_> (fine print: interest paid in XMR)
21:35:04 <sgp_> good luck distributing that though without knowing holdings haha
21:35:15 <needmoney90> no, see, every wallet knows the current multiplier
21:35:22 <needmoney90> its deterministic based on block number
21:35:45 <needmoney90> an output at block X is it's base value multiplied by the display multiplier, everything on chain can remain as is
21:35:45 <sgp_> lol, "wallet-level DeFi gainz/interest/inflation"
21:36:01 <needmoney90> you dont need to do any fancy crypto math
21:37:44 <jwinterm> https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/content/v1/5a15b14012abd9cbfe2ba0c3/1523978714925-NOA6G5ABGBD7O8ZV3WKH/ke17ZwdGBToddI8pDm48kHhlTY0to_qtyxq77jLiHTtZw-zPPgdn4jUwVcJE1ZvWhcwhEtWJXoshNdA9f1qD7eCePBQmCOq6e6RIqtw36rA8xcFm0Da2H1dLqbEP_p9gZUFJJH3iB2VhR2SD1qskhQ/01_2pile-of-coins.gif?format=1000w
21:38:27 <sgp_> very phallic pile of coins or is that just me
21:38:49 <jwinterm> everything's a penis if you look hard enough
21:43:54 <sgp_> is the $20 or $40/mo plan enough? https://www.vultr.com/products/cloud-compute/#pricing
21:44:41 <dixie__flatline[> <xmrscott[m] "Yep yep. I've been meaning to ha"> that's nice to hear.
21:44:54 <asymptotically> sgp_: you could probably run it comfortably on the $5 plan :P
21:45:32 <asymptotically> even better if you can use their object storage to host image uploads to get away from your tiny 25 gb disk
21:46:15 <sgp_> yeah that's one thing that would need to be set up properly
21:46:43 <sgp_> I need to migrate some servers away from Scaleway's ARM ones they're discontinuing and I'll probably choose Vultr
21:47:07 <jwinterm> look at the related queries on "defi" lol https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=ethereum,defi,monero
21:47:17 <asymptotically> i miss scaleway's arm tier too, but their x86/dev offerings are great too
21:47:22 <asymptotically> except for when they accidentally delete your server
21:48:05 <sgp_> defi has remained pretty constant https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/EYrDIlys/defi
21:48:47 <jwinterm> I think if you look at related queries you see why
21:49:01 <jwinterm> defi deadpool
21:49:09 <jwinterm> defi fortnite chapitre 2
21:49:14 <jwinterm> mario kart tour defi
21:50:35 <sgp_> dlol
21:50:43 <sgp_> s/dlol/lol
21:50:43 <monerobux> sgp_ meant to say: lol
21:51:05 <sgp_> scaleway is getting more expensive
21:51:53 <asymptotically> yeah i think all of their free managed stuff started getting too much for them lol
21:52:23 <rehrar> Vultr is bae
21:56:49 <sgp_> if we start actually paying for these services, maybe the MCW can start accepting donations finally
21:57:34 <sgp_> or you can just watch ads on the YouTube (kidding, will never happen)
21:59:54 <sgp_> current wishlist: a better Nextcloud, Flarum, Sandstorm, Mastodon/Pleroma
22:00:01 <xmrscott[m]> Speaking of donations
22:01:41 <xmrscott[m]> Anyone know of a relatively mindless way to 'donate' via XMR on a website. Say I want to donate $5 for Discord 1337 privs. I click donate $5 om a website, it takes me to a CoinPayment portal or whatever and I send the XMR whereinvit gets converted to USD for whoever
22:01:59 <xmrscott[m]> *Mindless for the person integrating on a website
22:02:16 <jwinterm> is coinpayments not mindless?
22:02:38 <xmrscott[m]> I don't know, I've never looked into all the 3rd party processors
22:02:45 <jwinterm> the founder of coinpayments is such a pyscho douchebag, btw
22:02:59 <jwinterm> their service seems good and he is exited I think
22:03:05 <sgp_> if you want to keep the money in XMR, GloBee is fine, though min $10
22:03:36 <sgp_> if you need convert to USD, current best option is GloBee -> Bitpay
22:03:37 <xmrscott[m]> It seems mindless to integrate using it as a consumer paying for services, but I've never messed around with processor integration
22:03:49 <sgp_> or GloBee -> Uphold
22:04:08 <sgp_> Bitpay's limits are an absolute joke, and their compliance expectations are extreme
22:04:56 <sgp_> it pays to a bank account an the base ANNUAL limit is only $500 lol
22:05:46 <sgp_> submit far more docs and info than their website suggests, and it's raised to $10k annually (max $1k/day)
22:08:04 <sgp_> I asked to onboard MAGIC to tier 2, and the questions they asked for a nonprofit were absurd, asking what money transmission registrations I had. Luckily I can read in-between the lines since it's my job, and basically every response was "this is not applicable because MAGIC is not a VASP and is not required to be registered with FinCEN." But the default process is absolutely insane
22:08:51 <xmrscott[m]> Does Fiat Settlement for coinpayments suck compared to say GloBee to Bitpay?
22:09:06 <sgp_> I don't think they actually have fiat settlement
22:10:07 <sgp_> tough admittedly I'm not 100% sure. they have conflicting information on their site
22:10:39 <xmrscott[m]> Is there a processor that is kind of one stop ship, accepts xmr and has fiat settlement?
22:10:50 <xmrscott[m]> *stop shop
22:10:57 <jwinterm> if you can use wyre maybe? https://blog.coinpayments.net/announcements/coinpayments-wyre-partnership
22:13:19 <sgp_> nowpayments to USDC? https://nowpayments.io/
22:14:04 <asymptotically> maybe you could send the buttcoins to bitmex and do a 1x leverage short :v
22:15:16 <sgp_> nowpayments and changenow prohibit US users in their ToS but it's super weakly enforced
22:16:30 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, sounds like CoinPayments+Wyre may be the way to go/experiment with
22:17:17 <sgp_> I also want to try these people out: https://b2binpay.com/en/cryptocurrency-payment-gateway/
22:18:18 <sgp_> my favorite at the moment for taking BTC is OpenNode. Hopefully they take XMR soon
22:25:30 <sgp_> b2binpay doesn't support US users either
22:26:44 <jwinterm> yea I've used changenow several times
22:26:47 <jwinterm> without even vpn
22:29:02 <sgp_> they're basically relying on being registered in the Seychelles as a regulatory shield
22:29:26 <sgp_> like Morph in Panama
22:38:54 <netrik182[m]> PR for mastering monero translation sgp_: https://github.com/monerobook/monerobook/pull/94
22:41:07 <sgp_> thanks netrik182[m]! will take a look
22:42:03 <netrik182[m]> just saw you have created a translation folder -.-
22:42:20 <netrik182[m]> I'll need to fix that?
22:54:59 <rehrar> Guiz
22:55:01 <rehrar> Guiz
22:55:17 <rehrar> What if we just relaunched Monero?
22:55:27 <rehrar> Who needs the old txos?
22:55:28 <dsc_> restart the blockchain?
22:55:31 <rehrar> Yep.
22:55:44 <dsc_> that's a good idea also a bad idea
22:55:59 <rehrar> I know. And I know.
22:56:18 <rehrar> We can use a turnstile approach. Sgp will be thrilled.
22:56:19 <dsc_> new blochchain every 5 years!
22:57:22 <rehrar> The turnstile is everyone sends me their Monero and I vouch for how much they have.
22:57:42 <xmrscott[m]> It's the only reasonable solution to the blockchain size hate
22:57:48 <rehrar> dsc_: at that point all of the scaling debate will be stupid.
22:58:12 <niocbrrrrrr> sweep_all rehrar
22:59:00 <rehrar> Good idea eh?
22:59:07 <rehrar> I'm full of em.
22:59:31 <rehrar> What if we replaced fluffypony with fireice?
23:00:07 <dsc_> no, that's just a bad idea.
23:00:53 <rehrar> I disagree. If we get rid of fluffypony, we shed our brony reputation.
23:01:20 <dsc_> Besides, we've already got a replacement for fluffypony: GPT-3
23:01:26 <dsc_> ;-))
23:02:11 <xmrscott[m]> Yes. Much less controversial. Why pay fireice more money to do nothing when it can be done by gpt-3
23:02:51 <rehrar> AI / machine learning / fluffypony
23:02:52 <sgp_> netrik182[m]: honestly I'm not really sure? ping serhack
23:02:55 <rehrar> All are buzzwords.
23:03:04 <sgp_> Monero without the burden of its past
23:03:31 <sgp_> oh wait that was Sumocoin's marketing phrase
23:03:33 <rehrar> sgp_: we all have baggage from our pasts.
23:03:56 <rehrar> Maybe it just makes Monero more real to the common man. You know?
23:04:00 <dsc_> <insert inspirational quote>
23:04:05 <sgp_> maybe that's the next April Fools joke
23:06:34 <rehrar> ErCiccione[m]: there are unintended consequences to your work you know.
23:06:49 <rehrar> For examples http://getmonono.org no longer makes sense.